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BadLuck
BadLuck Member Posts: 114

I've started taking Anastrozole 08/2018 & have to be on it for a total of 5 yrs. Anyway, my gut tells me that these new symptoms I'm experiencing that came about since radiation & starting Anastrozole just have to be related.

My eyelids (top & bottom) have been twitching on my left eye (same side as the cancer was) & eventually moved down into my cheek & around the corner of my mouth. It's getting worse every day & feels like clusters of muscle spasms & twitches on that side of my face. I've recently even noticed that it feels like the muscles seem to be getting stiffer to wear the corner of my mouth doesn't move with the other side. Also my eye squints much smaller than the other eye when I smile. My PA told me to see an eye doctor, my eye doctor said everything looks ok & referred me to a neurologist. The neurologist said my eye lids might go on twitching for the rest of my life & she didn't see any sign of any weird disease or syndrome developing. Told me it could just be stress related from my journey into cancer. She said if my symptoms get worse to come back & they could give me Botox injections. This was in January of this year. Since then it's slowly getting worse. I looked up my symptoms online & holy shit - Hemifacial spasms or Bells Palsy seem to describe my symptoms. I also found another description that it might be since my symptoms seem to come along with the cancer - paraneoplastic syndromes of the nervous system. These syndromes are rare & may occur in women with breast cancer. Which might mean I could have a brain tumor!

Did any of you girls know of anyone having these weird symptoms I'm having!

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  • wallan
    wallan Member Posts: 1,275
    edited March 2019

    Hey there:


    Have you talked with your MO? I would start there and insist on imaging tests. Its likely to be hormone related - ie (no estrogen) but rule out everything for your piece of mind.

    I know my Aunt had Bell's Palsy when she hit menopause. It did eventually clear up. But its not fun.

    Let us know how it goes.

    wallan

  • BadLuck
    BadLuck Member Posts: 114
    edited March 2019

    Wallen - thank you for your suggestion. As I said before, these weird muscle twitching & spasms started out mild along with discovering I had breast cancer in June. Then after starting the Anastrozole hormone & radiation, it got more intense. Then by January I seen an eye doctor who couldn't see anything & referred me to a neurologist who also ruled out nothing. But the systems at that time would come & go throughout the day, every day but was still milder. I just wanted to kick this thing in the butt earlier instead of waiting till it got really bad & maybe gone to far that they couldn't cure it. But now, it's gotten pretty intense & comes & goes throughout the day. There was one lady on BC.org that posted the exact same thing that's happening to me that was happening to her. They assumed it was Bells Palsy but that was way back in 2007? She hasn't posted since. I will be going back to my OC next month & will discuss this again with her & see if they will do some imaging test.

    Cancer-related health problems. Problems called "paraneoplastic disorders" can cause nerve problems. They happen when your immune system reacts to nerve cells instead of cancer cells. This is more common in people with breast cancer.

    Researchers believe paraneoplastic syndromes are caused by cancer-fighting abilities of the immune system, particularly antibodies and certain white blood cells, known as T cells. Instead of attacking only the cancer cells, these immune system agents also attack the normal cells of the nervous system and cause neurological disorders.

    Of course I didn't find all this out till after I seen the neurologist. But you would think that she would of suspected this, instead of making me think it's stress related.

  • wallan
    wallan Member Posts: 1,275
    edited March 2019

    Hugs to you. Can you get in to see your MO earlier? That way you can insist on testing for paraneoplastic syndrome and imaging sooner to put your mind at ease.

    I know that my Aunt had to wait for her symptoms to disappear. There was no treatment.

    Sorry you have to deal with this.

    wallan

  • BadLuck
    BadLuck Member Posts: 114
    edited March 2019

    Wallan - yes, I've tried getting back in sooner but the only opening was with a PA that was foreign & never heard of him before. I'll just wait to see the cancer specialist (oncologist) next month.

    It's like most of us now a days, have to do our own homework for our ailments & suggest what our symptoms could possibly be. Hopefully I can convince her that I want it diagnosed & treated sooner than later.

    If it's Bells Palsy, I wonder how long it can take to go away? I heard people who get a trauma to their systems like cancer, Lymes, etc., can trigger Bells Palsy.

    If it's Hemifacial spasms, there is no cure & doesn't go away. There are Botox injections or brain surgery with risk but not 100% curable. It's extremely rare (2 out of 100,000.00 people) get it. They don't know why it happens except that it could possibly caused by a trauma to the brain or brain tumor.

    Otherwise it's possible that its related to paraneoplastic disorders attacking my nervous system. If it's this issue, then it's extremely complicated to treat & no cure. I did read that it's known to come with certain types of cancers such as breast cancer. I just know my symptoms are related. They.had cut a huge mass from my left breast & took a lot of good tissue to make sure they got clean margins. So all those nerves they cut, really did a number on my nervous system. It's bad enough getting breast cancer, but then to get another shocking evil disease on top of it. So hard to stay positive & look forward to getting better.

    I really was very attractive for most of my life & look much younger than I am. Had very thick long luscious hair & now thinning faster every day from the Anastrozole I'm forced to endure for 5 years so cancer doesn't come back. I'm also dismembered & lopsided for life which left me with a size B on the left & size C on the right. Also without my estrogen, I'm very sore, ackey, depressed, whinny & a bitch

  • wallan
    wallan Member Posts: 1,275
    edited March 2019

    oh Badluck.... Im sure you are not a "bitch". Grieving how are looks and body changes after BC is a real thing. Have you considered a live BC support group in your community? Or maybe a cancer support centre? We have Hopespring which has all kinds of therapeutic activities for grief and pain for cancer survivors at no charge. Do you have something like that? This website is pretty good. You can meet awesome, strong women on here.

    I feel like you in that Im tired, dragged out, achy, dried up. Low estrogen is not for the faint of heart. I have lost the heart in my job and in a lot of things I did before BC. I just don't have the energy for things. I conserve it for things I really want to do. Its crazy.

    We can scare ourselves when we "research", yet I know its empowering as well. I think my docs hate me at times because I research and I ask lots of questions about their diagnosis and treatment. But its my life, right?

    It is badluck you have facial spasms too. I sure hope it turns out to be a temporary thing, whatever is causing it.

    My heart goes out to you.

    wallan

  • Salamandra
    Salamandra Member Posts: 1,444
    edited March 2019

    In my experience a lot of 'foreign' medical practitioners are really excellent, and if anything it's a great opportunity to be seen by someone who might have had access to training and experiences that doctors who were trained and practiced here do not. Also it generally takes someone very capable to make the transition to practicing medicine here - there are a lot of credentials and hoops to jump through - not to mention in a foreign language. I totally understand wanting to see the specialist, but I wonder if you could get an urgent appointment with the PA *and* a later appointment with the doctor on the calendar? Best of all worlds

    In my experience I tend to do better with women doctors, whom I (usually) find to be better communicators and less patronizing. But in an urgent situation I will definitely deal with a man, and along the way have found some truly excellent male doctors who would be my first choice.

  • BadLuck
    BadLuck Member Posts: 114
    edited March 2019

    Wallan & Salamandra - thanks for listening & your kind words & suggestions. There are a couple breast cancer support groups that are held once a month in nearby towns. I don't like to cry in front of people which I do when the subject comes up. I also want to be discrete about it so that is why I chose BC.org. Like many do. That away I can reach out to women all over the world who chose this sight anytime time of the day just like you. I live in a small town & I'm not sure how it happened but the word of my breast cancer spread like crazy!

    Somehow it got back to a 3rd cousin of mine with a big mouth. She went through breast cancer about 4 yrs ago & we were employed at the same place for 10 yrs. she needed chemo for her cancer & went through the devastation of losing all her hair & due to cost she also chose to have a big cancer benefit for herself. So the whole town knew about her & her breast cancer. Which by the way, is very good gossip!

    So this bitch who never liked me actually came up to me in Walmart soon after I had surgery in July & shouted "I heard you HAVE breast cancer & I've been telling everyone & just called 2 more people today."

    Because of my rare cancer that has a better prognosis, it didn't need chemo to treat it, so no one would really know if I had it or not. My hair is down to my tailbone so hopefully people who heard will just think it's a nasty rumor. So I told her that is not true & just a nasty rumor."

    People look at you differently & also many avoid you when they here you have or had breast cancer. I chose to be discrete about it & to keep anonymous like many.

    So Wallen, since you & I had the same rare Mucinous Carcinoma & didn't need to have chemo & lose all our hair, did you decide to keep the cancer private in your area?

    The cancer was hard enough to deal with, along with the medication side effects, but now this muscle twitching & spasms on the left side of my face that com & go throughout the day are getting more intense as time goes on & so intense sometimes that I can feel my cheek & corner of my mouth being pulled & clutches of spasms when I'm stressed. This is something I cannot hide & it has an evil mind of its own! It's another horrible ordeal I have to endure & praying that it's only temporary. If not, then I really don't know how the hell I'll be able to handle living like that.

  • wallan
    wallan Member Posts: 1,275
    edited March 2019

    Hugs again to you.

    Anonymity is a big thing, I get it. I was secret the first time. More vocal the second time because I needed time off.

    But I live in a big city, so I already have anonymity. I grew up in a small rural community though and everyone knew everything and once they got an idea about you, it was horrible. That is why I moved to a bigger city.

    I hope you do find a solution. It sounds brutal to go through.

    wallan

  • KayGirl
    KayGirl Member Posts: 6
    edited September 2019

    hey there! I was searching on this forum for bell’s palsy because three weeks ago I was diagnosed. Ct scan didn’t show anything. I can’t have an mri due to tissue expanders still inside me. Oncologist and neurologist don’t seem concerned but after my breast cancer journey, I can’t help but be worried. Did you ever get any clarity on this For your case

  • BadLuck
    BadLuck Member Posts: 114
    edited September 2019

    Hi Kay Girl-

    My crazy & mean oncologist seems to think she is now a neurologist. She claims she knows me well???? That is far from the truth!!! Without any testing she claims the HFS's are nothing but anxiety!!! I've never had anxiety issues but of course with the diagnose of breast cancer, would stress anyone out. After begging & telling her I know that I must have a brain tumor that is pressing on my facial nerves to cause constant & persistent twitching. She finally ordered an MRI on my head & there it was - a big 2.5cm Meningioma tumor on my meninges!!! She still claims it's not pressing on any facial nerves. I have to have another MRI with contrast around December to get a better picture of it & find out if the tumor is pressing on facial nerves or the blood vessels compressing that is usually the cause of HFS's. All I know is since breast cancer last year, and now a brain tumor along with HFS's this year, life has been absolute hell! I don't want to live like this & afraid to die!!

  • BadLuck
    BadLuck Member Posts: 114
    edited September 2019

    Kay Girl - so can you tell me what your early symptoms of HFM's to how they are now? I asked if I could be experiencing Bell's Palsy but she said no. This oncologist thinks she knows everything without any testing! I told her that I know the Meningioma tumor is pressing on my facial nerves just like I knew I had a brain tumor & no one would believe me until I talked her into ordering an MRI. She didn't like that I told her that & yelled at me until she made me cry & then told me, "you see - you are crying & that tells me you are suffering from anxiety!"


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