Quitting Arimidex after 10 weeks
Joint pain, hot flashes, insomnia...can't live like this. Ridiculous. If it were the male population dealing with this, you better believe they'd be offering Vicodin for the pain. But because we're women, we are asked to endure endless suffering. Or we're offered different AI's that really aren't that different. Yes, I tried Effexor. Also followed the earth-shatteringly brilliant advice to keep the room cool and dress in layers, haaahaaaaa! Do I sound angry? I am
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ask to switch. Arimidex was hard for me. Aromasin was easy. I take it in the morning because night time caused insomnia. Otherwise no side effects.
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I know it sucks and you're tired.There are other AI's to try. It took about 5 months for me to get the dosage right/tolerable. I tried all the extra cr*p prescriptions for hot flashes, too. Did you try a muscle relaxant so you can rest? Sleep is very important. Try to stay on the AI. It's very important part of post-treatment. You're in charge of your treatment. Hang in there.
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To me tamoxifen was so much easier than Femara.
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I know this will sound crazy but trying a different brand as well. The drug is the same but the fillers are what are quite often causing all the pain. I was on tamoxifen, horrible. Tried a different brand of it, almost zero SE's for close to 6 years. Same with letrozole, on the generic I was crippled. My MO suggested I try the name brand Femera, it was life changing. I was on it for almost 3 years with very few SE's.
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runrcrb, can you explain how why arimidex was hard for you? I switched manufacturers. Giving myself till June appt and may switch over to club aromasin.
My biggest complaint is the bone pain in the evenings from like 6-10 PM. I honestly feel great during the day. Exercising no problem etc. What is weird is that I take the pill at 8pm but my symptoms start at 6pm. Bizarre. I'm just leary and also think doing well 20/24 hours a day is pretty good as far as the big picture goes
Sorry for rambling . just wanted to hear your experience. Thanks deb
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Hi everyone...all good answers. Switching to another brand or different drug might help. Working with your MO to find a solution is a good idea. That being said I completely agree with the original poster that if BC was a male dominated disease we would be much further along in finding better treatment options and maybe even a cure!
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There is no cure for prostate cancer. My ex-husband is dying from it right now. He was diagnosed early stage 5 years ago.
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Debal- my issue with arimidex was fatigue- full body. I was convinced that my thyroid had stopped working (my mother and both sisters have underactive thyroids). My PCP humored me and ran all the thyroid tests and i saw an endocrinologist. 100% normal. I realized that the symptoms came on about the same time I started arimidex. Took two weeks off and felt better almost immediately. So we switched to aromasin. As mentioned before my only side effect was insomnia which went away when I changed the time of day i take the pill.
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Well, I'm ready to quit Arimidex after ONE night! Of course, I won't but... Horrible night:3 hours sleep, joint pain and hot flashes. Never even HAD hot flashes with menopause. Have suffered from insomnia for years, but this made it so much worse. Thanks for letting me vent! Love this site...helps us know we're not alone
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There really is hope for fewer/less severe/no side effects by switching brands and/or switching AIs. The different AIs (letrozole, arimidex, aromasin) all do the same primary thing - they inhibit the aromasin from converting androgens releases by the adrenal glands to estrogen. The difference maker and why docs will switch from one to another is that while they all do the same thing, each one is a different molecule which inhibits the aromasin in a different way than the others. That’s where the differences in side effects come in to play, and why switching from one to another can produce different side effects/severity of side effects. With that being said, most docs would prefer that you stay in the AI for 3 months to allow it to reach steady state in your blood stream and for your body to acclimate itself to it. When switching from one to another docs generally want you to stop taking it for 2 weeks before starting the new one to allow for the body to completely clear the previous AI. I started on letrozole and side effects were better than tamoxifen but still present: lots and lots of hot flashes, fatigue, joint pain, achiness, brain fog, fatigue. MO switched me to arimidex and WOW! What a difference. Just a few hot flashes per day, no more joint pain or achiness, reduced brain fog and fatigue. Much more tolerable and provided it stays that way I can definitely see taking it for 10 years no problem.
It sounds crazy to hear that a medication made by different manufacturers can have significantly different effects. After all, the pharmacy is always pushing generics and they claim they’re all comparable to one another as well as the original brand name med. The truth is that the generic manufacturer versioncan have up to a 20% variance in efficacy (20% more effective or 20% less effective) than the original name brand. This variance is considered acceptable by the FDA. In the real world, this variance can increase/decrease side effects as well as efficacy in each of us as an individual. In addition, each manufacturer uses different buffers/fillers as well which can cause side effects on their own. Many ladies do very well on the Teva brand of the anti-hormonals as they use the least fillers. I had Teva arimidex the first 3 months with no joint pain, very few hot flashes, no brain fog - just issues finding the next word sometimes. Then the pharmacy refilled with Accord brand. On Accord I had lots of hot flashes all day and night (more than even with the letrozole), greater fatigue, brain fog, and the joint pain i experienced on letrozole was back. I switched back to Teva and voila! All those new side effects disappeared.
Hope this helps explain why switching manufacturers and from one brand to another can make a huge difference.
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Forgot to add that I already have full blown osteoporosis in spite of years of weight bearing exercise and supplementing with calcium and vitamin D...another reason to be wary of these drugs. And yes, I realize cancer can kill; probably not for osteoporosis (unless you fall and break your hip and don't recover...!
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I too found it incredibly frustrating that nothing was done for the bone pain I had on Arimidex and then Aromasin. I remember one night I woke from a sound sleep, tears running down my face. (Not sweat). I would lay there, panting and gasping from pain, just hoping I’d faint. Oncologist switched me to Tamoxifen after almost 8 months on AIs. Now that I have sleep and digestive issues (both directions) under control, I can say there is less pain. Not zero, but less. I had a total hysterectomy at age 46, so it was a decent option.
It made me so angry (I was told things like just be positive! Just be grateful, and you’ll feel better; have you tried breathing? Etc). I am grateful and yes, positive, but still....You are right to be mad about it. If oncologists are worried about non-compliance, and they should be, it would be nice if they worked harder on helping with SE.
Dee
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keeshondmom, my MO wanted me to take an AI. Because I already have osteoporosis, I would have had to also go on Prolia, which meant possible problems with any future invasive dental work (which I'll need). I told her I just couldn't work my way through all the complicated pros and cons, and she said "Okay, I'll put you on Tamoxifen and we'll see how you do." When I had my BS follow-up and I mentioned I was on Tamoxifen, she said it's good for building bone strength. Win-win as far as I'm concerned. I had a hysterectomy years ago, so I don't have to worry about those side effects, and my MO said since I was taking low-dose aspirin already, my clotting risk was already low.
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I'm new to the forums. I appreciate the comments on hormonal therapy. I've had an unpleasant journey on trying to find the right treatment that I can tolerate, and now that I'm finally settled on something tolerable, insurance doesn't want to cover it! I started on tamoxifen, but it interfered with some of the other meds I was on and caused migraines and high blood pressure. Since I hadn't started menopause, I had to get injections to put me into menopause so I could take some of the other medications. I had one zoladex injection and started on letrozole. Then insurance changed and I was switched to lupron injections and stayed on letrozole. I had a hard time on letrozole...really bad joint pain from the waist down (it was incredibly difficult to get out of the car I was so stiff after sitting!) and I was so tired all the time I found myself dozing off at my desk. My med onc moved away which turned out to be a good thing. My new doc had a long quality of life discussion with me because I was done feeling like I was 90 at 53. We even discussed removing my ovaries. She kept me on lupron injections but switched me to exemestane. I still have some issues, but compared to letrozole, this is heaven! At this point, I took my last exemestane tablet today. I have to find out about the injections on Monday. I feel very blessed to have had an "easy" cancer and hate to complain, but this part of the journey has been the most difficult. I feel like I'm not fighting cancer as much as I'm fighting a beauracracy. Thanks for listening. ;o)
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pupmom...I'm so sorry about your ex husband.
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Thanks dtad. We've been divorced 35 years, and both remarried, but he's still part of the extended family.
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Thanks, Alice Bastab...I tried to get my oncologist to consider tamoxifen for me because of my osteoporosis, but he kept telling me how much better one of the Als would be and citing studies for that. Unfortunately English was not his first language so it was difficult to communicate. I even had my husband there as well...he understood even less than I! I called and now have a different oncologist and will see him in a couple months. At that appointment I'll talk to the new doc about that possibility. A lot will depend on how I'm doing with the SE at that point; I will definitely request another bone density test in September even if I have to pay for it myself. Interesting about the Prolia; I'm only on Fosamax
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keeshondmom, being both er and pr positive tamoxifen should be close to AI drugs are far as effectiveness. I would come right out and tell the doctor you wish try tamoxifen due to side effects. If you are prescribed then make sure you are monitored for the uterine lining on a regular basis.
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Hi! I thought I would share a bit of my story. I was one all three AIs at one point or another from from Oct/Nov 2017 to Oct 2018. I was miserable and was in out of the orthopedic/physical therapy every couple months. I ended up switching orthopedics and he came right and said that I would be dealing with tendinitis /joint issues if I stayed on the AI. He knew about AIs where as my previous Orthopedic had never heard of them. I told my MO that I was at the point of I stopping. I can’t tamoxifen. She mentioned Faslodex but said that insurance wouldn’t cover. Well, I spent the day on the phone with my insurance company and I have been getting monthly faslodex shots since Nov. Not fun,but so much better than the side effects I had been having on the AI. I am the only stage 3 lady in my MO practice on Faslodex.
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Thank you all for the kind words and the solidarity. Here is a little update. I’ve been off the Arimidex for a week now and the pain and hot flashes are improving. I’m now catching up on all the missed sleep. I saw the MO. He was more understanding than I was expecting. He says wait six weeks, and then we can discuss the three options: 1) no hormonal treatment; 2) a different AI; or 3) tamoxifen. He also prescribed Oxybutinine for the hot flashes
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Reading through these threads... I hear you all loud and clearly.
I have one question... I thought tamoxifen was not as effective in studies as al. inhibitors?
I received a strange reaction when I went to a hematologist a couple of months ago... and I was complaining about the side effects of Armidex. He stated that switching to another al. probably would not give me much relief and I should consider tamoxifen.....
When I questioned him on the efficiency of Tamoxifen vs. Al. for someone like me he shrugged his shoulders and brushed it off. He deals with lymphoma and leukemia so I think he may have been shooting from the hip a bit.
I got to figure this out because...I don't feel like it is a prudent option with my markers to be off any inhibitor.
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As I understand this, they work in different ways. The AIs reduce estrogen production. Tamoxifen binds to estrogen and prevents cancer cells to use it. Somebody with more knowledge than me can explain it better I’m sure!
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Not a scientist, but I’m surrounded by them, lol. Tamoxifen is a SERM...selective estrogen receptor modulator. AI is aromatase inhibitor. Tamoxifen binds to estrogen and inhibits its action. AIs block aromatase, which organs **other than** ovaries produce; aromatase is required for the biosynthesis of estrogen, usually by changing androgen into estrogen. An AI inhibits this process. In 2015, The Lancet pubished a study that discussed reduction of 30% by Tamoxifen and 40% by AIs. It was one of many. N=31920, so that’s a lot of post menopausal women. One does have to look at quality of life. If an AI causes so many side effects that a person doesn’t take it, then it’s doing nothing. Or if you can’t exercise, then how can you reduce body fat? (Which can be a risk factor and a source of androgen). Definitely something to research and talk over with MO. Mine said it was still a good choice especially if you don’t have to worry about endometrial issues. For me, while not great, Tamoxifen has been better than the 2 AIs I tried.
Dee
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Thanks Ladies!
Dee, great explanation!! I had that somewhere in my mind now it has gelled completely. Thank you so much for your thoughtful post!!
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Apatient - I agree with everything you posted! You nailed it! We are living in a man's world & I know if breast cancer were known to strike men more than women, they would definately have better solutions & drugs to put us on.
I've been a miserable, ackey, emotional bitch since I started on Anastrozole. My Oncologist suggested switching me to Tamoxifen after being on Anastrozole after 1 year this coming August. She is concerned that my bone density test will show osteoporosis & claims that Tamoxifen will actually help build bone?! But said I'll have a higher risk for ovarian cancer! Why would I want to risk ANY kind of cancer coming back?! I want to live so will stay on AIs the required 5 yrs
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You’re most welcome, CBK! It’s a pile to remember...
Dee
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I have been on generic anastrozole since last June and was doing pretty well. Some hot flashes and flipping covers off and on during the night which did interrupt my sleep. This last week has been horrible. I feel like I have a slight case of the flu (which I suppose I could). Not sleeping well at all, lack of appetite (not an entirely bad thing), fatigue, slight headache, slightly nauseous from time to time. I've quit alcohol to see if that helps - not much so far. I'm really at my wits end. I tried Melatonin 10 mg. last night and had a terrible night's sleep - woke up feeling hung over and had nothing to drink the night before. I'm not taking any tonight to see what happens - it may have been too much. Does any of this sound familiar? I'm considering calling the MO and see if I can go off for a while to see if my general condition improves. I really thought after this much time that I was past getting any SE of significance.
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Gussy...so sorry you are suffering side effects from Anastrozole. Just wanted to say that everyone is different and side effects can get worse over time. IMO you should definitely see your MO to discuss your options. QOL does matter too. You might be able to switch aromatase inhibitors. Also some people find it helps if they switch manufactures. One thing for sure is you need to sleep! It's so important for our general health. Good luck and keep us posted.
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BadLuck- I spoke to a gynonc about ovarian cancer risk. If you are Brca negative your risk for ovarian cancer is very low, like 2% in the general population. I did go ahead and have an Ooph, mainly to be put into menopause. Woah. I’dhave to think twice about doing that again.
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Gussy, have you tried Magnesium glycinate? I also had trouble sleeping on AIs & magnesium glycinate has made a huge difference for me (some of the other forms of magnesium can cause gastric upset so be sure & get glycinate). And, as dtad mentioned, you may want to switch AIs. My SEs on anastozole were so severe that I didn't think I'd be able to complete five years on it. After a month's vacation from it (& feeling much better within days!) my MO switched me to exemestane. It's not without SEs but they are tolerable. Good luck in your search for an answer!
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