Wrinkled and Crepey Skin after Chemo

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dollyreed
dollyreed Member Posts: 4

Prior to being diagnosed with breast cancer, I looked 20 years younger than I am. My mother had no wrinkles, my grandmother had no wrinkles. After chemo my face and body has aged considerably. I have crepey skin on my body and my face as well wrinkles. I cannot find any information about this. I've searched this site as well as other sites. I asked both my oncologist and surgeon prior to chemo if I would look "old" after chemo because my sister-in-law who had gone through the same thing looked much older after chemo. They both told me that it wouldn't happen. I not only have wrinkles, but I look much older than I am and I am so depressed about it I cannot even tell you. I guess my qustion is this: Will my skin ever go back to looking good and not wrinkled? My cancer was estrogen driven; which is probably why my skin looked so good; I had a lot of estrogen. Now, I am producing very little estrogen. Can anyone who was left with wrinkled skin after chemo tell me if the skin bounces back? Or what I can do to get it back to what it was? It's only been 9 months but I look like I've aged a least 10 years.

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  • CaliKelly
    CaliKelly Member Posts: 474
    edited February 2019

    Your post reminded me of myself😄 Funny, during chemo my skin was smooth and almost glowing, but afterwards, i felt like i looked 10 years older too. Part of it is the lack of estrogen, esp once they put you on tamoxifen or anastrazole or whatever. I started taking collagen supplements, hair,skin, and nails supplements. Began using RetinA ,a prescription wrinkle cream.plus any new skin treatments I would find out about. Also, did you lose weight during chemo? I lost 15-20lbs, and was way underweight. Some of the creepy, wrinkly skin improved when I regained weight. I look much better now ,almost back to pre cancer treatments, so don't despair! Try the supplements, I think they work, but takes time💗

  • Moderators
    Moderators Member Posts: 25,912
    edited February 2019

    Dear dollyreed,

    Welcome to the BCO community. We are so glad that you reached out to our community and we hope that you will find support and shared experiences here. Please let us know if we can be of help in any way.

    The Mods


  • L8Blmr
    L8Blmr Member Posts: 133
    edited February 2019

    Dolly don't despair. I am in agreement with with CaliKelly. Give it some time and be open to trying new things. I had never lifted weights, but the severe atrophy/crepey post chemo skin forced me to and I'm seeing very good results. I'm 58, my arms look like when I was 40. I also take Biotin, Collagen supplements. Good luck with your choices.

  • CaliKelly
    CaliKelly Member Posts: 474
    edited February 2019

    Oh Yeah!Totally, totally agree with weight training! I'm a former fitness trainer, and I kept up my fitness regimen as much as possible all through treatments. The gym was my sanctuary 😊 weight training is fantastic for anti aging !

  • Trishyla
    Trishyla Member Posts: 1,005
    edited February 2019

    I'm in the same boat. Used to look much younger than my age. Now I look like I've aged twenty years in the last two years. Very depressing.

    I even had to have eyelid surgery because chemotherapy caused them to droop so much they were interfering with my peripheral vision. Most people are in their 70's or 80's when they need the surgery. I was 60.

    Don't know what to do about it. I'm in an industry where women's looks really do matter. But I can't afford a facelift ☹☹

    Good luck. Hope things get better for you.

    Trish


  • dollyreed
    dollyreed Member Posts: 4
    edited February 2019

    That's what I'm afraid of Trishyla. I guess it's time to finally realize that I'm in the "end game" of life and just deal with it. I don't even feel like putting makeup on. It's very dis-heartening.

  • TWills
    TWills Member Posts: 679
    edited February 2019

    Retin A!!! Ask your Detmatologist for a RX that can be filled at a compounding pharmacy and it is much cheaper, like $35 instead of $180.

  • Trishyla
    Trishyla Member Posts: 1,005
    edited February 2019

    Tried Retin-A. Did nothing for me except cause red, flaky, orange peel skin. It's meant for wrinkles and blotchy skin, but not necessarily saggy, crepey skin. Pure hyaluronic acid helps plump things up a bit, but it doesn't last long. These days I just try to avoid seeing myself in a mirror. 😏

    Trish

  • TWills
    TWills Member Posts: 679
    edited February 2019

    Retin A is definetly a long term treatment and it does get worse before it gets better, if you're going to get any tightening effects it will take several months at least but it has for sure helped with the crepiness around my eyes and most definetly given my eyes a slight lift. That happened quicker for me than most, that usually takes a year or more. Most people want an quick fix and stop before the good results happen or they over use the product. It's a low and slow process for sure but there are ways for most to use it and have the benefits with little negative skin reactions.

    Having said all of that, it's hard to keep up with what chemo and all of the meds that came with it have done as well as what the hormone blockers are still doing, it's insult to injury and a side of BC that most have no idea of. I work in the beauty industry and was on the younger side(ish) when diagnosed and it's hard to get back some of what I've lost with an audience of clients.

    I'm glad we've got this forum to support one another and give as well as take advice:)



  • Trishyla
    Trishyla Member Posts: 1,005
    edited February 2019

    Sorry, TWills, if my last post came off as dismissive. I did use Retin-A for many months, under the care of my cosmetic dermatologist. Unfortunately, I'm one of those people who don't have a good reaction to the product. It noticeably increased my pore size, giving my skin an awful orange peel texture. It took a long time to get rid of that effect.

    Since you're younger there's probably a good chance you'll see some noticeable improvement in your skin as you get further out from chemo. At least I hope so!

    The OP and I seem to be quite a bit older, and our skin very likely won't improve much, no matter how long it's been since we did chemo. It's probably damaged for good.

    My Dermatologist told me I would need a facelift in order to get any noticeable results. Since I can't afford that right now, I'm stuck with what I have. Which sucks,since I'm in an industry (Television writer) that punishes women for looking old.

    Trish



  • NotVeryBrave
    NotVeryBrave Member Posts: 1,287
    edited February 2019

    I definitely have aged a lot. People used to always think I was at least 10 years younger than I was. Not now.

    The skin on my neck is especially old looking. It was a tiny bit of a problem at times before and now it really bothers me. And my eyes look smaller or something.

    It's a combination of chemo, lack of Estrogen, and plain old aging. Add in stress, weight loss, and lack of exercise and it's a recipe for disaster!

    Interesting about the supplements. I may try some of those. Any info on particular brands or amounts?

  • TWills
    TWills Member Posts: 679
    edited February 2019

    Trishyla, I didn’t feel like you were being dismissive at all, we are all affected by meds and treatments differently. I sure wish we just snapped back after treatment, or better yet, why couldnt the effects be reverse aging lol. We deserve that!!

    NotVeryBrave, I’m starting my weightloss journey and not looking forward to looking even older when my “fleshy” face starts to slim.

    Hopefully I haven’t had this weight on long enough to do as much damage as it could. I gained weight during Chemo and have had 8 surgeries one of which I actually had to gain a bit of weight for so I would have enough fat for my DIEP reconstruction and then a really long recovery. Ugh, it’s just all so frustrating.

  • dlb823
    dlb823 Member Posts: 9,430
    edited February 2019

    I was/am so passionate about this issue, as well as the toxic ingredients in so many skin care products, I actually started a website in between my original dx and re-dx, to share the products I found that really made a difference. Living with mbc makes skin care even more critical, since we are constantly on one regimen or another. www.healingfind.com

    I

  • Cariadarbonne
    Cariadarbonne Member Posts: 2
    edited February 2019

    I have good skin and was worried sick about the effects of chemo because I met someone 20 years younger than me who had just finished treatment and I almost didn’t recognise her as her skin had aged so much....I have a good skin regime and I was ‘religious’ with this regime right through and used the body products on my breasts during radiation too...my skin looks as good now as it ever did....I also work with this on line brand too....as I’m not allowed to advertise on here you are welcome to message me for more details  xx

  • TWills
    TWills Member Posts: 679
    edited February 2019

    Cariadarboone, I see this is your only post and you have no diagnosis and info listed. It would be helpful if we could see exactly what treatments you had so we could compare what might work differently for each of us. Otherwise, I might just seem like you’re on here to sell your products.

  • CaliKelly
    CaliKelly Member Posts: 474
    edited February 2019

    Hi ladies, this is one of my favorite threads, I had the same issues. I use the Retin A , hyaluronic serum over it, prevents the drying, peeling problems. My skin is very fair and dry but I'm getting it back in shape. About face lifts, look up Insta-lift, it's like a mini face lift. My plastic surgeon just started doing them, I think it's also called a thread lift. I haven't done it yet, but I'm keeping it in mind! Much cheaper, little down time. Check it out! If you're in the L.A. area , I can highly recommend my P.S.!💗

  • TWills
    TWills Member Posts: 679
    edited February 2019

    Calikelly, I love this thread as well. I was researching the “thread lift” I while back and am optimistic that it can be a great option once the procedure is practiced for a while and perfected. I watched a lot of YouTube videos of it being done and it can look really great, and as with anything else, sometimes not so great. The pricing seems steep for how long it lasts though, I think because it non invasive and you pay a premium for that. Seems like a great option though:)



  • Cariadarbonne
    Cariadarbonne Member Posts: 2
    edited February 2019

    Hi, I just wanted to reply as I’m so passionate about this topic and Arbonne is such an incredible brand...it was after my post that I completed my profile details which must have been after you’d checked...I’m due for my second annual mamogram in a couple of weeks....I appreciate how you may have thought I wasn’t on this forum for genuine reasons but I’ve found the posts very interesting xx

  • CaliKelly
    CaliKelly Member Posts: 474
    edited February 2019

    I just started using Trilane intensive repair anti aging moisturizer. I've been using their hyaluronic serum, so thought I'd try the moisturizer too. I really like it! Very moisturizing, my skin looks kind of "dewy" when I wake up. Supposed to be all natural. Only been using it a couple of weeks, it is a very nice one to use over the Retin A

  • TWills
    TWills Member Posts: 679
    edited February 2019

    Cari, still nothing listed except that you’re a district manager for the product you’re promoting. Often people(spammers) pop in to sell stuff so it just doesn’t look good. We just give opinions on products we like and you’ve done that. People can usually read between the lines.

  • TWills
    TWills Member Posts: 679
    edited February 2019

    CaliKelly, it’s so nice when you find something that works.

    I use products from Dermalogica and Bioelements, i change it up a bit the days after I use my retinA, I only use it 2-3 days a week and am working my way up. Dermalogica has a exfoliate that is awesome to remove those little flakes that can happen when using RetinA, Multivitamin Thermafoliant, it’s pricey but it takes so very little that I feel like this tube will last at least 6 months or more. I don’t sell this product, I’m just a fan lol

  • leftduetostupidmods
    leftduetostupidmods Member Posts: 620
    edited February 2019

    What helped me a lot was a supplement sold by Puritan Pride called "Hair, Skin and Nails". It helped with issues I had with all three. Just be aware that it DOES make your hair grow fast. Including the one in unwanted places.

    I also used a home-made mix of coconut oil and shea butter, as well as Preparation H with aloe vera. Yes, the myth on that one is not a myth.

    Also, for about a year after chemo I took collagen supplements. I'll have to look for the product to give you the link.

    I was 48 when it all happened and people thought I was in my late twenties. I still look younger by 10-15 years now. Still no wrinkles, yes, some sag esp on the neck, but hey, I'm almost 58 now.

  • leftduetostupidmods
    leftduetostupidmods Member Posts: 620
    edited February 2019

    Here are the links. This is the one I used to take, but you might want to do a search, they have various strengths and formulas.

    https://www.puritan.com/beauty-supplements-018/pph...

    I also took collagen

    https://www.puritan.com/health-beauty-070/hydrolyz...

    And I forgot to mention, I also used grape seed oil a lot in salads, for the resveratrol content.


  • TWills
    TWills Member Posts: 679
    edited February 2019

    Thanks for the info seachain, I’ve just started collagen again, there are so many and it can be so confusing. I like the grapeseed oil idea.

  • CaliKelly
    CaliKelly Member Posts: 474
    edited February 2019

    Getting a lot of good info here! Thanks ladies💗 I will be trying many of these suggestions, why not? Can't hurt😃

  • dollyreed
    dollyreed Member Posts: 4
    edited February 2019

    Thank you ladies for all your advice. I believe part of my problem is that during the entire chemo process I was very ill and even and to be hospitalized because I developed blood clots. During that time I was bedridden most of the time and did not use anything on my skin. I let my face go and it must have been traumatic because prior to getting ill I used moisturizers everyday and night. So, it's party my fault. As far as the retin-A; it doesn't agree with me. I tend to have a bit of rosacea and the retin-a only makes it worse. Also, I'm pretty lazy. I want to cleanse my face and then apply a serum and moisturizer and go about my business. With the Retin-A, you have to wait 20 minutes after applying it before using a moisturizer to get the full benefits and that extra step of waiting is just too bothersome for me. I had estrogen breast non HER positive and no lymph node involvement I had a lumpectomy, am 100% cancer-free and in the final treatment stages of radiation. That's my background. So, getting back to the wrinkle-issue. I am using Josie Moran Argan Oil because it is very moist all day long and it's quick enough to use. I did order a new set of products that haven't arrived yet; they are all natural and I'll let you all know if I see any improvement. It's called Pellu and from what I've read it very safe and although all natural, still has anti-aging properties. So, we'll see. Thank you all again and I'll keep you posted. One more thing; since I am new to this site, I do not know how to put all the info about my diagnosis like everyone else does under their user name. When I figure it out I will do that.

  • TWills
    TWills Member Posts: 679
    edited February 2019

    Dollyreed, it took me a bit to figure out how to navigate this site and enter my info too. I also hate the 20 min wait to apply the RetinA,I sit it on my nightstand and hopefully don’t fall asleep before I apply it lol.

  • VLH
    VLH Member Posts: 1,258
    edited February 2019

    Dollyreed, my facial skin looked great during the early stages of chemo because my T-zone dried up for the first time since I was a teen, making my pores appear far smaller. Yup, still an oily T-zone when diagnosed at 61 years of age. Two years after chemo ended, the oiliness is back, BUT the skin on my body has become terribly crepey. My cancer was triple negative so no hormonal stuff at play. Further, there was a dramatic acceleration in sagging, especially obvious in the jowls area and eyelids. It looks a bit like my face has melted downward. My weight never varied more than ten pounds. The only good thing I can say about the cursed lymphedema is that the swelling means that arm doesn't look like it's wearing a layer of tissue paper.

    Trishyla, if you feel comfortable sharing, did insurance help with eyelid surgery? I lose my good insurance in a few months when I have to switch to Medicare. I'm lifting my lids up with my fingers perhaps a hundred times a day. That surely isn't going to help the sagging issue and, more importantly, it's distracting when I'm driving.

    Dolly, I hope chemo goes smoothly for you and that your skin bounces back when that part of your treatment concludes. Yes, this stuff is aesthetics while we are literally fighting for our lives, but I know the exterior evidence of the disease is yet another unwelcome side effect.

    Lyn



  • Trishyla
    Trishyla Member Posts: 1,005
    edited February 2019

    Lyn. Yes insurance paid for the entire surgery. I initially went in just for my right eye, because it was so obviously drooping. But once they examined me, they found that both eyes were affected. My peripheral vision was compromised. That's the key to having insurance pay for it, if you vision is compromised.

    The surgery itself was super easy. Less than two hours, in and out and a very quick recovery. I would recommend going to a large eye center, preferably one affiliated with a larger hospital.They really know their stuff.

    I went to USC Keck Eye center. They were great. I'd do it again in a heartbeat. Hope that helps. PM me if you need more info.

    Trish

  • TWills
    TWills Member Posts: 679
    edited February 2019

    VLH, Yes! My skin looked great during chemo, I loved how smooth and how small my pores were. I was complemented constantly. The oilyness is slowly coming back as well though, thankfully because I need it now more than ever!

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