Is anyone else an atheist with BC besides me?
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I just love it when a casual acquaintance or a co-worker tells me "you are blessed to have cancer. This is God's way of testing you.' ME. If you truly believe that nonsense. Your God test Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindu, and every other freaking religious group out there and non-religious. And for those God-fearing Christians who tell me "if you believed in God this never would have happened to you. But I'm praying for you anyway" I love the "anyway" comment. Interesting when you consider cancer doesn't discriminate on race" religion, ethnicity, Etc. I don't care to get into the debate about spiritual as being a way out. I have my Christian and Jewish friends tell me "you don't believe in God but you are a spiritual person. When I ask them what makes me a spiritual person the response is varied. The top two responses are " I'm active in various charities and I care about other people" I call that being a decent person which all of us should strive to be. Tomorrow I have to go out of town to visit my adult nephew who had emergency gallbladder surgery two days ago but is experiencing serious complications. I know I'm going to be bombarded with prayer groups which I will respectfully decline. When family members tell me to pray for my nephew I will inform them I will keep him in my thoughts. God will win, my friends! If my nephew survives, it's because of the power of prayer. If my nephew dies or experience debilitating side effects it's because it's God's will. It is always a win-win for God or that pesky devil. Yes, I'm being sarcastic. These debates do calls a lot of thinking which I greatly appreciate
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I love Barbara I, have you read " The Poison Wood Bible"? Interesting story. Thought provoking.
I do not consider myself spiritual. My husband says he is not religious but spiritual but I really don't understand, he seems religious to me lol. My brother in law likes to call coincidence as God things, makes no sense to me. I was not hit by a car today was that a god moment?? Seems stupid to me.
We have MAID here in Ontario, I work for the ministry of health and have been a part of organization of process. We have actually done quite a few in our region. We have excellent palliative care too.
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Jo6359, it's like those Christians are admitting their god is a real dick, even bragging about it. Sounds like Stockholm syndrome.
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Alice-I concur.
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I agree to.
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quadruple that!
It is like a brainwashing it seems to me.
That all being said, in many lower income populations - church is a safe gathering place to find community when there are not many other safe choices. So it’s of course like anything not so black and white
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Me three, totally agree...while laughing hard at ‘Stockholm Syndrome’....that was awesome!
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Before I leave here because something just feels wrong and I do not want to challenge the intent of this thread, I looked up the meaning of spirit and spiritual. It relates to our emotions, to our psychological well-being. I feel spiritual when I walk in the woods and when I see a whale from my boat. There is scientific evidence to support why. I work with Indigenous Elders and scientists. I am spiritual because I owe my wellbeing to my environment and need to feel connected and responsible to take care of something besides myself.
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And I am also an atheist.
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jo6359, May your nephew be well. I know that having you there will be helpful to him. One can never have too much love and caring.
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TB90-please dont leave. When I'm running, hiking in the woods or dancing when nobody's watching, I feel free. I don't call it spiritual but it makes me feel better. I enjoy your posts. I learn a lot from you. You make me think. Don't leave because of a debate over spirituality. I know plenty of people who are atheist who have a spiritual connection. I respect that. Sometimes I think we beat ourselves up over semantics.
Ananada- thank you.
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spiritual atheist, me too
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Magic - that stanza rings so true for me especially after cancer. I want to let my health be a mindfulness bell, calling me back to this moment, and to revel in being part of the natural world.
Jo - wow, you’ve certainly had people say some insulting things to you! I’ll pray for you anyway? WTF? And a quick perusal of these boards will show you that cancer strikes plenty of people who were deeply religious. I truly don’t mind people saying they’re keeping me in their prayers, but not when they are being mean-spirited. Seems like the people you are describing use their religion as a weapon. I hope your nephew recovers (in spite of he prayers).
TB - I’m also a spiritual atheist. My connections to others and the world bring me great joy and peace. I think it’s okay that some of us on this thread consider ourselves spiritual and some don’t use that word for themselves. What binds us is a lack of belief in supernatural beings. So, stay!
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Well said, I don't think of myself as spiritual and I don't get it but I think it is a beautiful thing and I admire those who have it. Perhaps even jealous. I have peace and feel free so maybe I do have a spiritual side and just don't recognize it due to past experience. The wonderful women on this thread are thought provoking and challenging, I am enjoying it.
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Wanderweg, you stated it beautifully: “I want to let my health be a mindfulness bell, calling me back to this moment, and to revel in being part of the natural world.”
Magiclight, thanks for the Mary Oliver poems. I was not familiar with her work but have read many tributes this past week. Exquisite poetry.
Nan, I have read The Poisonwood Bible by Barbara Kingsolver. A compelling story about African missionaries and religious fanaticism. It reminds me of Uneducated, a gripping memoir by Tara Westover.
Jo, it is shocking to hear what some people have said to you. Best wishes for your nephew’s recovery.
I don’t have a problem with gentle Christianity at all. I can think of several Christiians I know who are liberal, tolerant, generous and all round lovely people. But we never discuss their God or the goddesses for that matter.
It’s self righteous extremism that causes harm. This level of zealotry damages families and leads to war.
TB90, don’t go. I appreciate your input too!
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I am too a person who does feel like I am “spiritual” but not religious. I love this thread because it has helped me develop more deeply my thoughts about “what” and “who” I am.
I am not a Jesus person or a bible person or a Torah person or an Allah person or an extremist and that’s for certain for certain.
I DO believe in love and the power of love to heal. Maybe love is my “religion” as one of the Marley sons sings!
I have seen the incredible healing powers of love and kindness and compassion through and through time and time again.
I have been victim to extremists religious violence and it took a long time to heal from that trauma. It was so full of anger and pain and hatred.
Nature is my “sanctuary.” I find peace and calm in nature. I feel “connected” to all beings in nature. More so when no other humans are around oddly 😂
I was just snorkeling alone in the Caribbean Sea a couple weeks ago and felt the deepest sense of inner calm and elated joy at the same time. If it weren’t for the sun burning my back and my stomach crying out for lunch, I could’ve stayed out there all day just pondering the sea life. For me, this felt like a spiritual experience. And so I think that to me, spiritual means feeling an inner calm and peace and interconnectedness with life.
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Agree with many posts here and have loved reading them as I can really connect to them. And yes Poisonwood Bible is an incredible book! But I just want to be sure so as not to offend anyone - can we discuss spirituality on this thread ( it looks like it) or should we talk about that on the other thread - spiritual but not religious? I really want to participate and don’t want to offend anyone. Please let me know.
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There is a thread on Spirituality outside of religion that seems to be for theists who do not adhere to a religious sect. On the other hand, when I searched for the term spirituality, this thread was frequently listed. As an atheist participator, I'd like to keep this thread for atheist as per the title. I tend to use the word consciousness without a theistic bent whereas spiritual tends to have religious overtones. Just this one woman's ideas.
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Anyone who is an atheist with BC-- whether you have spiritual leanings or not-- post away!
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Thanks for the feedback. I guess I will post here - I really like this topic and discussion. I did move over to the other thread but there’s not much discussion there. I guess the sticking point is how to define spirituality. Not religious to me at all, there is no doctrine, it is non-theist, no church, a variety of beliefs,etc It seems many of us connect spirituality to nature and the universe. Pretty amazing planet we have
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I agree with Santabarbarian - seems like anyone who is an atheist fits here, whether they have spiritual leanings or not. Especially since it sounds like everyone who does describe themselves as spiritual seems to be talking about nature and connection and love. No need for a deity for those things.
LovefromPhilly - We had a trip planned to Aruba when I was diagnosed. My BS told us to go ahead and go, and scheduled me form my BMX the Monday after we got back. We snorkeled three of the days we were there and it was the only time I was able to set aside my awareness of what was ahead and just be fully in an amazing natural place. The feeling of floating just above astoundingly colorful fish was definitely what I think of as spiritual. It was blissful and I felt so grateful that I was able to experience that.
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wanderweg- being from Tennessee you should be well aware how serious Southerners take their religion. For the most part people are really good. They don't generally shove their religion down my throat and we have mutual respect. There are a few individuals who are very judgemental. Today went very well. When I was asked to join the prayer circle I declined and only one person gave me a nasty look. My nephew is doing very poorly. He is severely jaundiced. This afternoon a liver biopsy was done. He went in for emergency gallbladder removal and everything started going out of whack within 12 hours post-op. No signs of infection. He is only receiving IV Saline. AST, ALT, liver enzymes and bilirubin are extremely high. He does not drink alcohol or take drugs. Coincidence or so we're waiting for the results of the Doppler and the liver biopsy. Thanks to all of you for your good wishes.
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Jo - I do indeed - this is true Bible Belt territory. And it can be really oppressive. I'm so sorry for your nephew. Rather than a prayer, I'll be holding him in my heart and hoping things turn around for him.
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I think I do belong here after all! Spirituality means to me an overwhelming feeling of happiness, a connectiveness and sheer joy. Often lasts just a moment, but is so memorable. I never attribute anything supernatural to this. It is an experience that is profound and special. It is spiritual, stimulating my psychological wellbeing. I also believe animals are spiritual, they too experience emotions. Spirituality may mean more to others and I respect that. Both definitions exist in the dictionary. Many words have several meanings. I actually think we all agree. Lets just accept the meaning as per the intentions of the writer. Advice I too need to heed.
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TB90- yes you belong. We should all grasp those moments of joy. Life is complicated enough. I most definitely attribute emotions to my pets. I am going to go hug a pet and try to relax. It's been a very stressful day. It's time to work on my psychological well being. Good night all.
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I have no objection to the use of the word spiritual in a non-theistic way. I experience awareness as in the awareness of our being part and of the universe. That is the word I think of when a feel the soft spring wind on my skin or smell the damp earth of the garden. I become aware of being part of all of existence.
jo6359, I wish there was some help I could offer you and your family at this difficult time. I hope your nephew isn't in pain. When my husband was in the hospital and in distress, I washed his face and hands in warm water followed by cool water. The stress of surgery leaves a film on the skin and having a clean face and hands is comforting. It may be a comfort for him to suck on ice chips as well. Try to get the family to rest as much as possible. This goes for you as well. ((jo)).
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Good night Jo.
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Animals definitely experience emotions. I volunteer at an animal shelter and it's heartbreaking to watch a cat whose owner has died. They know and they mourn.
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I’m thinking about you Jo and hoping for the best possible outcome for your nephew.
I agree about pets too. DH and I recently lost the last of our pack of 6 dogs, they certainly deeply mourned each that went before. They’re more resilient than DH have been in that respect.
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