Positive nodes after chemo and BMX
I got thrown for a real loop this week when my path from surgery said I have 7/9 positive nodes. Not just positive, but brimming with cancer macrometastasis.
You can see from my sig., I've done chemo already. I have an appt with my onc to discuss but I am terrified!!!
I know I will do rads now, but can I ask for more chemo?? Is that crazy?? I thought I was just going to heal from surgery and move forward and I don't know what to do, but I know I will do anything to beat this!
Anyone with experience relating to this?? I think I will now be staged at IIIa from my biopsy staging of IIB. Does it happen a lot that you get a worse prognosis after surgery?? Thanks in advance!
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I didn’t have chemo but I have never heard of asking for more chemo. My guess is it’s on to radiation for you. Path reports can fool doctors sometimes. They found a micromet in my SN that surprised my BS and stunned me.
Diane
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Hi Misha, I just wanted to let you know, after I had TAC chemo, and mastectomy, 8 of the 20 nodes removed were positive for cancer, macrometastese, which means, like you said brimming with cancer cells. So, after rads, which, btw, was no big deal for me, my onco said a course of oral chemo, called Xeloda, has proven to be an effective new choice for stage 3 patients. Studies show it improves our chances against recurrence. So I said, bring it on! The side effects were less than the TAC chemo, except I developed a pretty bad case of PPE ,or hand-foot syndrome. But I'd still do it again! If you do decide to take on Xeloda, be vigilant for signs of PPE ,and your Dr. can reduce the dosage, because it's pretty painful. Xeloda is usually 8 cycles,2 wks on, 1 wk off. A bunch of pills ea. day. If you want to msg me I'll give you more details on the experience. About 1-1/2 years done now, all good!😃!
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misha- I had surgery prior to chemo and RADS. My MRI and pet scan showed no sign of any lymph node involvement. Much to my BS surprise I had one positive lymph node. Radiation was added to my list of treatments. I didn't find radiation difficult at all. I don't know what the protocol is for more chemo.Maybe a different chemo drug? If my positive node was macro metastasis would my doctor have shared that information with me. Other than telling me I had one positive node that was it.
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Your oncologist should know what is next, maybe hormone therapy after radiation because you are er and pr positive. I can understand your concern even after chemo you have cancer in the lymph nodes. Good luck there are many drug options.
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I think it depends on the type of chemo you had. My oncologist said I was on the border between chemo before or after surgery. MRI was clear so we went with surgery first. She said that if I had chemo before or if the lymph nodes tested positive, or if the tumor was bigger than originally discovered, I would have four chemo drugs instead of two and I would need radiation. So, they may have given you the stronger protocol already.
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Hi, Misha - sorry about your results. Unfortunately, I think this is rather common for ER/PR+ folks. There is a thread (link below) on response to neoadjuvant chemo. I, too had 5 positive nodes after chemo and my tumor barely shrank, if at all. I got a second opinion at Hopkins and their recommendation was to move forward with hormone therapy, and that it would be much more effective than chemo. I did try to push for Xeloda, but was turned down, again, with the argument that hormonals would be more effective. I know it's frustrating, and not comforting at all to have gone through all that chemo and feel like it did nothing, but I do believe that the hormone therapy is a strong weapon left in our arsenal. In addition, you can look at clinical trials testing CDK4/6 inhibitors like Palbociclib (although, I believe the PALLAS trial is closed, there are other similar ones) and others are mTOR inhibitors. Definitely look into those as well.
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Thank you all for your responses! I have a much better idea of what to expect for treatment options and am feeling more positive about my prognosis!
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HI Misha, I still had one positive node after neoadjuvant chemo. Luckily, my onc was willing to prescribe Xeloda based on a 2017 study. So I took Xeloda for 6 cycles for almost 5 months post radiation. When I looked back, I wish I could take CDK4/6 inhibitors for prevention instead of Xeloda due to my highly positive ER and PR.
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Misha,
I was also in your shoes. I had chemo AC&T, then BMX with SNB. Pathology showed 2/3 nodes positive after chemo with evidence extravation. I went back in and had the ALND. Luckily (depending on how you look at it), they removed an additional 19 nodes that were all negative (praying for no LE). I did 30 rounds of radiation which was not bad at all. I was able to enroll in the PALLAS trial and was randomized to the drug arm so I am taking Ibrance for 2 years. MY MO and 2nd opinion MO both did not seem overly concerned about the + nodes and truly feel that the hormone therapy is the most important part of our treatment plan. Not sure if that gives you some peace. Just know you are not alone.
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Thank you for all of your responses! As of now, onc said we would do rads and the AI drug and I would be monitored closely. I asked him to consider the Xeloda oral chemo, but he quoted the SOFT and TEXT trials about the efficacy of the hormonal suppression and the AI drugs. I’m glad to know I am not alone,and that chances are good that I will be fine.
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Hi Misha,
I have a similar experience with neoadjuvant chemotherapy. I had two surgeries following AC+T. First was for a mastectomy where they found 1/4 nodes affected. Second, was to remove a few level 1 lymph nodes. They removed 4 lymph nodes out of which one was affected. I'm 10 days out of surgery. Waiting for simulation and radiation, which will be for 5 weeks. I started taking tamoxifen on 7 January, about three weeks after my first surgery. I had to stop taking it 10 days before my second surgery and resumed it a day after. I'm going to ask my MO when I meet her this Wednesday if I can switch to AI before and during radiation. I got lupron shots throughout my chemo and am still getting it right now every month. My MO will also most likely put me on oral chemo after radiation for six months. I wish I had had a better chemo response too, especially given how the nurses and MO were so reassuring during my chemo clinical examinations. My research so far tells me that HER+/triple negative/high grade people tend to respond to chemo better and ER/PR + people less so. But even though I'm neither HER+ nor triple negative, my grade was II/III, so I don't know what to think. Anyway, I'm doing better now and am really looking forward to moving ahead with treatment. Thanks everybody for posting. Even if anecdotally, its reassuring to hear that perhaps we're not as anomalous as we think we are.
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Very true, Mst1985! If you’re looking for a board for radiation, there are many of us on the Radiation February 2019 board!
Kind of sucks too that those nodes mean we’ve had EVERYTHING for our treatments! Thanks for adding your story!
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