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  • MinusTwo
    MinusTwo Member Posts: 16,634
    edited December 2018

    Hiking Lady - a lot depends on your PS & your body type & the extent of your surgery, etc. I have Allergan 410 anatomical cohesive gel implants - the original 'gummies'. I've had them since 2011 after a double mastectomy and I'm very pleased.

    Go to the Breast Implant 101 forum, read the header and post your personal specification as listed and ask Whippetmom. She is truly the breast whisperer. You can read tons of implant choices there.

    https://community.breastcancer.org/forum/44/topics...

  • JM1965
    JM1965 Member Posts: 4
    edited December 2018

    Hello! So happy i found this place! I just went for my final fill (right side) which was just for the last “stretch” i was told by my PS. The fill prior was just about how big i would like (b+, small c) However, it seems REALLY large now. I asked my PS to show me an implant (he uses allergen Natrelle- i will get model number) and i was shocked at how large it was. He explained that after my mastectomy, my chest is a bit concave and that it will sit lower in my body , so it will not look that large. I’m really nervous that we are not on same page and emailed his assistant that i would like to send a few photos of my desired size for my file. I am awaiting my last consult. I’m glad i am nipping this in the bud now. Thanks for any feedback! :)

  • VegGal
    VegGal Member Posts: 507
    edited December 2018

    The risk for ALCL is a bit higher than that as more is being learned about it. If you are the type who wants to do everything possible to prevent another run in with cancer, then smooth is the way to go. 

    I initially had the textured anatomical and absolutely hated them. They looked like big flat wide burger buns. They also felt "scratchy" on the inside of my skin.  The whole ALCL stuff came to light a few months after their placement as well. After 15 months I had them exchanged to Natrelle Inspira SCX and all of the above problems disappeared. I hope my chances of ALCL are reduced as well. 

    Good luck with your decision. 

  • MinusTwo
    MinusTwo Member Posts: 16,634
    edited December 2018

    JM - do get your specs together and post on the Breast Implant 101 thread.

  • HikingLady
    HikingLady Member Posts: 650
    edited December 2018

    Thank you for all these stories and insights. I'll keep doing my research on textured anatomical vs smooth round.

    VegGal thanks for sharing that smooth round are more comfortable for you than the textured were. That's helpful for my decision making.

    JM1965 size/too big/your question: My PT who works with breast surgery patients says that if the pocket is a bit larger than necessary, that means you'll be more comfortable once the implant is set into it than the reverse problem of having it too tight. My PS says that he can remove extra skin to match and even things up on me if there's extra skin due to uneven stretching on the two sides.

    Size: I have no choice on how big. My foobs will be small. The only choice I have is between the textured anatomical Allergens and the smooth round--those are the two types that my PS has offered, for my size and shape and his preference, etc.

    I had radiation in 2003 on my right breast after a lumpectomy. Because of scar tissue (invisible, but affecting blood supply and skin and pectorals and all connective tissue) the right side incision took much longer to heal than the left (8 not 2 weeks). Stretching after tissue fills has been fine on the left and super uncomfortable on the right. I am at 350 ccs, and I have a pretty wide chest and large rib cage. They're currently filling a B or C cup. I used to be DD, but now I don't care how big. I do worry about the right side's healing.

    If there's eventually contracture on the right side (higher probability than for most people because of the radiation history), it will be smaller than the left. My only "size" guidance for my PS when we recently met was to say that I'd like them both to be the same size. Which means that he'll probably reduce the left side's extra stretched skin to match right side.

  • star2017
    star2017 Member Posts: 827
    edited December 2018

    I decided to go with the smooth rounds bc of the lymphoma risk. It’s low, but I didn’t think the aesthetic differences would be that noticeable.

  • borogirl
    borogirl Member Posts: 86
    edited December 2018

    My exchange surgery is now scheduled - Feb 8, 2019. My PS will not do the anatomical implants for 2 reasons - the texture issue with ALCL, and he says they can sometimes rotate and therefore cause breast to be misshaped. In fact a friend of my had that happen from surgery in 2012 and had new round ones put in just last week. He says at the pre-op appt next month we will talk about level of cohesiveness and he'll determine if he wants to use Allergen or Mentor implants. I have one more small fill and will be at 400 cc on each side, and he said he usually puts in a final implant about 100cc larger so they fit snug into the pocket. I've only had these TEs since MX surgery on Nov. 12 but I am already tired of the weird feelings going on in them - saline "swishing" movement when you move around and the way they stick out into under arms.

  • Shoregirl
    Shoregirl Member Posts: 375
    edited December 2018

    Glad to hear you are having an easy recovery TrmTab. I wish I could say the same. Going to see ps Thursday. Left implant is all squished over toward center causing a lot of pain and discomfort. I think he will need to release some of those deep internal sutures to help the implant down and more lateral. There is a lot of swelling along the whole upper pole all the way into my armpit.

    HikingLady my 1st 2 ps gave me the choice between textured anatomical or smooth round. PS3 didn't though. Like Borogirls surgeon, my ps won't use the textured due to Alcl risk. For the record though, my 1st set of smooth rounds were too narrow for the pockets and would flip over backwards when I lay down. They did look mishapen as the flat back was flipped toward the front. The new implants we chose are wider and lower projection...no more flipping.

    Good luck with your decision and upcoming exchange. 7 moths in expanders is a long time! Keep us posted!

  • TrmTab
    TrmTab Member Posts: 832
    edited December 2018

    while I feel great I am actually at the PS now. I have never stopped bleeding from one spot along the incision...like a small weeping that will stop but then starts again. I have switched to a firmer compression bra and that seems to be helping plus the PS put in 2 stitches. She says it isn't internal bleeding as there is no swelling or bruising...just the two sides of the incision not coming together. Hope the two stitches work.

    Shoregirl does that mean a full anesthesia surgery to remove some of the stitches you have? Sounds like those are internal.

  • DCISinAZ
    DCISinAZ Member Posts: 161
    edited December 2018

    @borogirl - I am having my implant exchanged for that very reason; I have the anatomical and it flips around instantly. My own persona sun dial. The lymphoma risk info came out not long after I had them put in so im doubly happy to be getting rid of them next mlnth.

  • Gigilala
    Gigilala Member Posts: 148
    edited December 2018

    my exchange surgery is now scheduled for Jan 18

    My surgeon didn't tell me which brand of implant I will have

    I'm not happy with TE size now I have 600cc in right side and 500cc in left

    He told me he will put implants 650 cc is that normal ???

  • HopefulAC
    HopefulAC Member Posts: 63
    edited December 2018

    hi all! I had my exchange surgery on 12/11 and so far I believe all is going well. I had my first post op visit yesterday and I'm still restricted to lifting no more than 5lbs. and lifting arms to just a little past shoulder height. They removed the bandaids covering the sutures and overall I'm pleased.

    I do have a question if there's anyone out there who had an exchange post radiation to one side only- My right side (non radiated ) is looking pretty good , but my left side is looking very bruised -this set in a few days after surgery as I literally had no bruising the first few days. I know he had to break up scar tissue bc this side also had 3 lymph nodes removed but is it normal to have bruising on one side and not other? How long til bruising goes away. Also My PS was pretty straightforward that with having a radiated side and one not they likely won't be perfectly symmetrical which I'm ok with but my ? Is what were the differences people notced as they healed between radiated v. Non radiated? Also is there that much differnence inhow they look now versus when they “settle"? And what does that actually mean (my implants are over the muscle

  • HikingLady
    HikingLady Member Posts: 650
    edited December 2018

    HopefulAC I haven't had my exchange yet. However, after my NNS-BMX, the previously-radiated side (15 years before) was 4x as slow for healing, due to that scar tissue. 2 weeks to close incision on left, 8 weeks to close incision completely on the right side. So, I expect that at exchange, same thing. It will be slower to heal.

    As for more bruising on the radiated side, that's what I experienced after the BMX. The radiation causes scar tissue in the skin and in the pectoral muscle, and that compromises the blood supply, so it is more challenging to heal. Be vigilant about watching for any signs of infection on that side; that's, unfortunately, also a higher risk after radiation.

    My PS has also said that the radiation makes it more likely that there will be contracture, and then a tighter fit and smaller size on that side. Some of this is unknown until healing is complete, he also said.

    Keep us posted, thanks--I'll be curious to know how it all goes, because my exchange will be in 12 days.

  • Shoregirl
    Shoregirl Member Posts: 375
    edited December 2018

    TrmTab I hope those 2 stitches resolve the bleeding. It sounds like your ps is confident they will. I went to my ps yesterday. He had me lay down and stood over me and pressed down on the implant with all his weight to try and shift it a bit. Wow, it hurt! Good thing he is a little guy lol!! But it did move it down a little bit. There is still a lot of swelling in the upper pole. He said I have pain on that side because he put stitches in the muscle. He wants to see me again in 3 weeks to see how its doing. Says it is a lot easier to bring an implant down than to raise it up, and he can do it in his office. He has a full surgical suite there so I am assuming I would have general anesthesia if it comes to that. He can do all kind of surgeries right there. The only time he has to put me in the hospital OR is if he is swapping implants or alloderm. But pocket work, fg etc he can do at his office. Supposedly the advantage is less stress for the patient, a more relaxed and private environment.

  • TrmTab
    TrmTab Member Posts: 832
    edited December 2018

    I am doing okay no more bleeding

    Can't imagine someone pushing on me to brake a stitch

    Take care

    TT

  • Mominator
    Mominator Member Posts: 1,575
    edited December 2018

    HikingLady: to reduce/prevent vomiting after anesthesia: try hydration before surgery. 

    I've had 5 general anesthesia surgeries in the last few years. I had horrible vomiting or was very nauseous after 2 of the 5. My team and I tried to find out what was the difference. We discovered it was hydration. My Gyn surgeon told me to drink about a gallon of fluids the day before surgery for Ooph/BMX. I thought that was to make the laparoscopic surgery go smoother. Of course for colonoscopy there's all the prep solution. I wasn't hydrated for the other 2. So I made sure I super-hydrated the day before my revision and had no problems with anesthesia. 

    Yes, I also take a good probiotic when taking antibiotics. I try to time the probiotic so I take it the furthest time away from the antibiotic. If I have a twice-a-day antibiotic at 6:00 am and 6:00 pm, I'll take my probiotic around noon. 

    Best wishes,

    Madelyn 

  • TrmTab
    TrmTab Member Posts: 832
    edited December 2018

    I drank 3 quart bottles of sparkling water per day for the 2 days before surgery and 3 days after

    Hydrated for procedure and then flush system afterwards


  • HikingLady
    HikingLady Member Posts: 650
    edited December 2018

    Mominator and
    TrmTab

    Thanks! Makes sense. I usually do drink a lot of water, but I'll try super hydrating the day before surgery.


  • VegGal
    VegGal Member Posts: 507
    edited December 2018

    I hydrated like hell, still woke up puking. 

  • SimoneRC
    SimoneRC Member Posts: 419
    edited December 2018

    I have to use Skopolamine patch and I do Total IV Anesthesia (TIVA), no gas.

  • MinusTwo
    MinusTwo Member Posts: 16,634
    edited December 2018

    Always ask for a scop patch. It makes a magical difference. And yes, talk to the anesthesiologist. I'm not sure if I had TIVA - but whatever concoction I had for the exchange & later ALND surgery meant no nausea - compared to the BMX where I couldn't stop throwing up in ICU for hours.

  • Ceci-246
    Ceci-246 Member Posts: 50
    edited December 2018

    For my BMX at Johns Hopkins in Baltimore, I was told to drink 20 ounces of Gatorade a few hours before surgery. That was awesome. I didn't have that option for my most recent revision since it was expected to be much shorter. It was almost as long (approx 4 hours) and I was so dehydrated that my blood pressure was dangerously low. Hydration matters a lot.

    Can someone remind me why pineapple is recommended before and after surgery?

    Ceci

  • Lanne2389
    Lanne2389 Member Posts: 229
    edited December 2018

    is the scop patch the thing they stick behind your ear? I had acupuncture patches behind my ears and it seemed to work. I realized they were still on a few days after I got home (after DIEP) and pulled them off. Very pointy.

  • borogirl
    borogirl Member Posts: 86
    edited December 2018

    Pineapple before and after surgery helps keep bruising down. I ate 1 cup of FRESH pineapple each day for 5 days before and after surgery and it really makes a difference.


  • SimoneRC
    SimoneRC Member Posts: 419
    edited December 2018

    Pineapple had bromelain which is an anti inflammatory enzyme. And it is yummy!!

  • TrmTab
    TrmTab Member Posts: 832
    edited December 2018

    pineapple and higher protein for me

    I have been very fortunate on anesthesia side effects.... perhaps over hydration or perhaps just me.... I am 5'8" and 175...athletic build so solid not fat dispite those numbers...which are big for many women... I wear a size 12



  • Shoregirl
    Shoregirl Member Posts: 375
    edited December 2018

    14 surgeries in my life, only puked once after my tubal ligation. I mentioned that to my anesthesiologist for this recent surgery. She said gyno surgeries usually DO cause nausea. Something about a big nerve that gets disrupted. I always request a scop patch regardless. I don't ever want to experience puking in surgical recovery again!

  • TrmTab
    TrmTab Member Posts: 832
    edited December 2018

    one week post op...actually was in pre-op one week ago at this time. Only one more antibiotic pill to take and then on my own for the longer recovery

    Have been feeling good and trying not to do too much... but it is the holidays...on Friday I wrestled a little too much with getting presents out of my closet...

    I see the PS January 2, I hope she releases me to do some stretching exercises...I can't wait to get back to my yoga practice even just starting with gentle restorative classes

    Happy Christmas Eve

    TT

  • HopefulAC
    HopefulAC Member Posts: 63
    edited December 2018

    Hikinglady- thank you for responding! merry Christmas Eve! In terms of healing there is some definite tightness in the radiated side but the biggest difference is bruising in terms of healing. Right after surgery I didn’t have any and now my radiated side is all bruised it began near armpit and now it’s basically all over. My other breast has no bruising at all. I just hope it gets better soon

    BEsides the awful bruising I like the way they look as surgeon did really well making them look even. I stayed close to my size big B small C bc doc said that would yield better results since radiation and couldn’t go bigger.

    Hikinglady- best to you

  • TrmTab
    TrmTab Member Posts: 832
    edited December 2018

    Hopeful

    I was horribly bruised after my first exchange. The bruising really appeared a couple of days after exchange and then blossomed and took several months to almost fully resolve.  I actually had a shadow of a bruise about the size of a quarter a year afterwards. Not trying to depress...but simply share that it may take a while. TT

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