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  • borogirl
    borogirl Member Posts: 86
    edited November 2018

    I started upping protein 2-3 weeks before surgery (and after for 2 weeks). I started the 1 cup of fresh pineapple starting 5 days ahead and continued for 4-5 days after. I also did a lot of extra hydration 4 days before and for at least 5 days after. My PS has each of his MX patients have a catheter for that first night, as a "courtesy" so the patient doesn't have to worry about getting up and going to the bathroom during that first afternoon and night after surgery. I took full advantage of that and drank water constantly those first 24 hours, partly to rehydrate in general but also to help clear my system of the anesthesia. I figured why not go for it, since I didn't have to get up to pee. Nurse asst. was surprised how "well my kidneys and bladder were working" LOL.

  • Shoregirl
    Shoregirl Member Posts: 375
    edited November 2018

    TrmTab it will be here before you know it!! I am 7 days out from my revision/exchange and came up with the following list of supplements and practices for before and after surgury from a google search. When I made my list, I didn't cite the webpages but thought I would share anyway. Best wishes!!

    2 weeks Pre-op:

    Multivitamin w/ 25-50mg B complex,100mg CoQ10 w/fatty food 2-3/day, Vit C 1000mg/day

    Milk Thistle 800mg/day. Stop the day before surgery. Continue for 6 weeks post op.

    Zinc 30-50mg/day, Probiotic daily, Selenium 200mg, NAC 500mg 2/day, Magnesium 200-400mg/day

    30-40mg EPA/DHA per kg of body weight (some say don't take day before, bleeding risk)

    Plant protein powder 17g/day, slow FE iron 1/day.

    1 week pre-op: Low sodium diet 1200-1500mg/day, avoid white carbs, eat at least 2 fruit & 3 green ve/day.

    Pineapple: The helpful part for bruising and inflammation is actually in the stem and core. I do eat the core along with my fresh chunks. Alternatively, 1000mg of Bromelain started 3 days preop, 3 x per day on an empty stomach.

    Post-op:

    Multivitamin, Pycnogenol 100mg 2/day, CoQ10 100mg 2/day, Milk Thistle 800mg/day

    Stinging nettle tea 1-3 glasses/day for 2 weeks, Burdock root (tea), Turmeric, Vit B6 250mg/day, Fish oil EPA/DHA 2-3000mg for 2 weeks, then 500-1000. Bromelain 1000mg 3/day on empty stomach

    Vit E 400-800iu/day, Vit C 1000/day, Vit Dw/K2 5000iu/day w/fatty meal, Vit A 25k iu/day.

    I didn't look into Arnica as my kidney doctor won't allow me to take it.

    Edited to add: I am not a medical professional and the above information is intended to motivate readers to make their own nutrition and health decisions after consulting with their health care provider. The supplements I have listed are ones I am considering for myself after doing my own research and speaking with my medical team. We are each individuals with individual needs based on medical conditions and/or nutritional/hormonal deficiencies. What works for me may not necessarily work for you.


  • TrmTab
    TrmTab Member Posts: 832
    edited November 2018

    Wow, that is quite a list. Thank you.

    I have been told no Vit E for two weeks prior...have you found a multivitamin without E? Mine has E so I go without a multivit for a couple of weeks which has also seemed like a poor move as I approach a surgery...TT

  • star2017
    star2017 Member Posts: 827
    edited November 2018

    I think my doctors said the amount of vitamin e in a multivitamin is usually fine, but it’s good to check.



  • HikingLady
    HikingLady Member Posts: 650
    edited November 2018

    I'm 4 weeks from my surgery (it will be January 2, 2019) and 2 weeks from my pre-op appointment, so I'll check w/ my PS then about his current restrictions and recommendations. If he puts me on an antibiotic after surgery, I WILL start myself on a really good (= expensive) probiotic at that point; it keeps me from suffering from diarrhea!

    For my previous surgeries, my naturopath and surgeons have said: no NSAIDS (of course; they interfere with clotting) and no nutritional supplements at all for 5 days before surgery, and really they're not fond of them in general. There's better absorption usually by eating whole foods, restricting simple carbs, and eating lots of colors of plants. That's my usual diet anyway (similar to The Zone Diet) and it's how they've recommended that I always eat to protect against future bc recurrence. I do take Ca and Vit D, so I'll find out when to stop them at my pre-op appointment. My doctors recommend 80-100 g protein daily for healing after surgery (not before; protein isn't stored) for 4 weeks or so, and food with lots of antioxidants are good also for healing. So, some frozen blueberries & yogurt & whey protein smoothies are in my future.

    I've read a lot of anecdotal and commercial information about the benefits of eating pineapple after surgery, but I have not seen any evidence-based science research backing it up. I might ask my surgeon about that one, and I also might just eat fresh pineapple after surgery because WHY NOT, it's delicious!

  • star2017
    star2017 Member Posts: 827
    edited November 2018

    my surgeon had the fresh pineapple recommendation written in the discharge papers. I was surprised!

  • Gramto4
    Gramto4 Member Posts: 51
    edited November 2018

    HikingLady

    I agree with you. Eating nutrional foods , vegetables and fruits is best. My doctors tell me to stay away from herbal supplements and excessive dosages of vitamins. The body only absorbs what it needs and the rest is wasted. Best advice is to always check with your doctor!

  • TrmTab
    TrmTab Member Posts: 832
    edited November 2018

    https://www.vitamedica.com/product/recovery-suppor...

    a friend (non-medical professional) suggested this as a pre- post- sugery regime...anyone heard of them? TT

  • HikingLady
    HikingLady Member Posts: 650
    edited November 2018

    Re: Vitamedica...

    I plan to ingest only what my surgeon recommends. There's too much of a whiff of snake oil about it for me. If all of the contents and their potency is disclosed, a doctor can then assess its role in aiding recovery. For me, the stakes are very high. I'm being treated with best evidence-based medicine, and will stick with that, and with medications that are monitored by the FDA for potency, purity, and efficacy.

  • TrmTab
    TrmTab Member Posts: 832
    edited November 2018

    Thanks Hiking...I too thought there were a bit off.

    I have my two-week pre-op appointment on Monday -- not with the Dr, but the medical team, pre-op tests, ect. Will get their updates. They have already said no E or aspirin and did recommend Pineapple or Arnica pre- and post...

    This is surgery #5...I should have it down by now, but everytime one approaches it gets my mind racing. TT

  • Shoregirl
    Shoregirl Member Posts: 375
    edited November 2018

    TT...I asked my ps about the Vit E restriction. He said the amount found in multivitamins (up to 400IU) is fine before surgery. It is the megadoses that are off limits. The 3 surgeons I have had have all specified in their written pre-op instructions to start a multivitamin 2 weeks before surgery.

    Hikinglady.....your exchange will be here before you know it!! I agree with you that it is best to get vitamins and minerals from a well balanced diet. I am with you on the pineapple, blueberries and yogurt. My fave is plain greek yogurt with pomegranate, banana and pineapple, sprinkled with ground flax and chia! My father, a holistic MD and nutritionist stresses the importance of a clean diet of colorful fruit and veg, lean, unprocessed protein sources, and limit sugar to under 10g per serving. He is also a proponent for supplementation for certain people at certain times. Especially Vitamin C for wound healing, Vitamin D3 with K2 as many people are deficient (confirm with blood test) and probiotics spaced a few hours apart from antibiotics to replenish the guts good bacteria that may be impacted by the antibiotics.

    TT...the Arnica I am not supposed to use, even topically. My nephrologist told me it acts like an nsaid in the body and nsaids are a no-no for kidney patients. I did use it once though on a nasty bruise and was amazed at how rapidly it healed vs not using it!!

  • TrmTab
    TrmTab Member Posts: 832
    edited November 2018

    Double checked with my PS this morning re the multivit w/ E...just heard back and they said to stop two weeks ahead, but can resume the day after surgery...

    I think they all have their special cocktail. I know I certainly have felt like their personal science experiment from at least one doc along this passage...

    I have been monitoring how much protein my current diet contains...it is okay, but will up it by adding some cottage cheese to my lunch and perhaps making my morning oatmeal with skim milk rather then water.

    And will be doing the pineapple. TT

  • Shoregirl
    Shoregirl Member Posts: 375
    edited November 2018

    So funny...just like the instructions on bra wearing....the ps are all over the place with their advice! Hooray for pineapple!!

  • Jsbells
    Jsbells Member Posts: 3
    edited November 2018

    hi there,

    I also had some dropping of one side during the expansion ... my PS said that during the exchange he can “put a few sutures in at the bottom” to lift and even them out. My exchange is tomorrow (!!) so I’ll let you know how it goes :

  • robinblessed54
    robinblessed54 Member Posts: 578
    edited November 2018

    Jsbells, best wishes for your EX tomorrow!! Yes, that is called pocket work. almost everyone can expect some pocket work during the exchange due to the TEs being filled and moving around. They are so different than the implants because they have a hard flat backing on them to hold them flat to the chest wall. That is where you would have pain after your EX, but nothing like the MX.

    Remember to adhere to your PS instructions to the T. "just because you can, doesn't mean you should". And, "Step away from the mirror". You will go through many changes and it can take up to 6 months or more, so you must be patient.

    Robin


  • Moonflwr912
    Moonflwr912 Member Posts: 6,856
    edited November 2018

    Tauras, are you still having the seroma? My dic wont take out drains til you are beliw 30 for more tgan 3 days. With my last implant, i nwver went beliw 80 wven after 4 weeks. He had to go back in and fix it. A nick in the lymph vessel was repaired, the day after surgery, I had only 20 cm drainage, the next day even less. He kept the drains in just a week after that and no problems after that. Its been 4 years with no problems. Not saying you have that issue, i dont know im not a medical professional, but that much drainafe under your skin does not sound right. Good luck.

  • Shoregirl
    Shoregirl Member Posts: 375
    edited November 2018

    Best wishes Jsbells!! Listen to Robinblessed's words of wisdom! Its easy to overdo activities after the exchange because it is so much less painful of a recovery than msx. But please take it easy and you should be fine!!

  • BringOn2017
    BringOn2017 Member Posts: 101
    edited November 2018

    Hi Kleo it was lovely reading your encouraging post! I too had bilateral mx and TEs followed by exchange and am coming close to my first anniversary now. Yes I had lost all my sensation but hey over the following 6 months most of it gradually came back. Take care and take heart

  • Bcbc
    Bcbc Member Posts: 41
    edited November 2018

    Ok, I confess. I had my exchange surgery Wednesday and I peaked today. I know everyone says you shouldn't look, but I couldn't wait. I love my new boobs already! So much nicer than the TEs.

    I'm still pretty uncomfortable since I had a revision to pre pectoral, but I was expecting this discomfort.

    It's all downhill now!

  • TrmTab
    TrmTab Member Posts: 832
    edited December 2018

    Had my pre-op testing this morning, I passed ;-)

    2 week countdown in progress...no multivit, eating pineapple, increasing protein, will go off Arimidex next week, one week before and after...

    Have my final pre-op business trip and then a 6 week break on travel to heal (aka not lift a suitcase!)...going to NYC Wed - Sun. My DH has never been to NYC at Christmas time plus it is his b'day on Thursday, so he is coming to play in NY and we can celebrate and then spend the weekend playing. TT

  • Bcbc
    Bcbc Member Posts: 41
    edited December 2018

    Wishing you the very best TT! Keep us posted. Becky

  • Imkopy2
    Imkopy2 Member Posts: 265
    edited December 2018

    TrmTab- So excited for you, you’ve had quite a journey, praying for a smooth surgery, great results and and easy recovery. Please update us when you’re able.

    Hugs,

    Michelle

  • SimoneRC
    SimoneRC Member Posts: 419
    edited December 2018

    Hi TrmTab,

    Just wondering why they advised you to stop Arimidex. In my case they did not ask me to go off before exchange. Curious as I have another surgery scheduled for the spring.

    Thanks!

  • TrmTab
    TrmTab Member Posts: 832
    edited December 2018

    I have received mixed signals on the arimidex...stopping or not. I actually think that the PS hasn't thought much about it, so errs on the side of caution. TT

  • Shoregirl
    Shoregirl Member Posts: 375
    edited December 2018

    TT, I just read your siggy. You have been through a lot!! Hoping all goes well with your upcoming exchange!! Just had my revision yesterday. My 3rd set of implants. More pain then 1st two, but we did downsize and had to add alloderm to one side and do pocket work. PS said I had capsular contracture both sides, maybe that contributes to the pain IDK. Go for my f/u Friday, praying he can take the drain out!!!

  • LinnyG
    LinnyG Member Posts: 44
    edited December 2018

    My exchange and reduction/lift on other side is 12/12. My PS also told me to stop Anastrozole 5 days prior to surgery.

  • TrmTab
    TrmTab Member Posts: 832
    edited December 2018

    drains at 3rd exchange, ouch. I will have some side boob removed so fear I will be more sore than at first exchange, but PS said no drains...hope that is what happens. TT

  • Mominator
    Mominator Member Posts: 1,575
    edited December 2018

    Best wishes to TrmTab, Shoregirl, and LinnyG on your surgeries and smooth recoveries. 

    I hated the drains for both BMX and EX. 

    However, I understand that the seromas and infections can be worse. 

    Madelyn 

  • Shoregirl
    Shoregirl Member Posts: 375
    edited December 2018

    Thanks for the well wishes Mominator!! Best wishes LinnyG!! I hope all goes well with your exchange.

    TT I had to have a drain on just one side because he had to add alloderm. Went to my F/U today, he said I have to keep the drain in and he will see me back Monday. He told me today the big linear mass I had in the upper pole of the other side was a bunch of alloderm all bunched up beneath my collar bone!! Thankfully it hadn't become infected and he was able to remove it all. Now that side is soft, smooth and pain free! It feels so nice and squishy now like a natural breast I can't stop squeezing it lol!!

  • Mominator
    Mominator Member Posts: 1,575
    edited December 2018

    Congratulations Shoregirl on the wonderful squishy-ness! 

    If I'm reading your info correctly, this is your third set of implants on both sides? Wow, what a long journey it has been. 

    I hope this most recent surgery is successful. 

    Madelyn

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