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RdhJoy
RdhJoy Member Posts: 27

I just got my oncotype back and it's a 28. I'm 43 years old. My BS said the MO will have me do chemo. I have my appointment this Tuesday. I'm trying to mentally prepare myself. Is chemo the right decision?

My tumor was 7mm, ER+ 95%, PR+ 50%, Her2-, Ki6710%, margins and nodes clear after lumpectomy. Oncotype was the last test we were waiting on and it was a surprise the number was so high.

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  • momand2kids
    momand2kids Member Posts: 1,508
    edited November 2018

    Hi

    My oncotype was 26 or 27-- so in the gray area... I consulted with my onc and my surgeon--both felt that given what we knew at that time that short course of chemo was the way to go--- my suregon said "if you were my sister, I would twist your arm to do this chemo which is the standard of care right now"

    You may want to ask about the Tailor x trial-- just completed long term study that found that lots of people don't need chemo-- not sure what grade your cancer is and 7mm is tiny so it is possible that the recommendation might be tamoxifen or the aromotase inhibitors which are all powerful drugs. Remember, chemo is your decision-- the MO can make a recommendation- maybe you get a second opinion- then you get to decide. There are lots of people here who had higher oncotype scores and decided against chemo. It really is a personal decision-

    If you go with chemo, it is of course hard to predict things, but I was able to continue working -had 4 treatments over 8 weeks- didn't feel great- but was able to pull it together most days. In the middle of it it seemed like it would go on forever-- now it is such a distant memory.

    Ask what chemo they are recommending and why--there are some that are "lighter" than others.. I know some here will know about these.... You have a little time to think about it, get another opinion and decide....

    Best of luck


  • CPB1167
    CPB1167 Member Posts: 24
    edited November 2018

    Hello,

    I can understand your feelings right now. My onco score was a 27, I was told anything over 25 was chemo treatment. My MO recommended chemo, she was surprised my onco number came back as high as it did because I was a strong receptor positive. She said with the numbers being conflicting she said "something more aggressive may be going on". I was 50 at the time, we didnt know where I was in regards to menopause, I guess that put me in a gray area also for chemo. My mastectomy removed the cancer tumors, and my nodes were clear, so I was still on the fence about the chemo. When I read all the side effects that could happen I was very unsure if I would do it. I was going back and forth with my MO and getting possible percentages of recurrence, etc. I was driving myself nuts and was going to get a second opinion, but my brain was so tired at that point, for me I would become nuttier going to other doctors. I finally stopped myself and said I trust my MO, my onco score WAS over 25 so it did put me in category for chemo, and if I didnt do the chemo I would always be second guessing myself. I also found so much information, explanations and experiences from people on this site which helped tremendously.

    Once I decided to do the chemo what a weight was lifted off my shoulders! I became empowered, and I was going to do anything I could to try to keep cancer from recurring. I have my last round of chemo this week (have completed 3 rounds), and honestly the time has gone by pretty fast. There are a few days after my chemo treatment that I feel crummy but after that I really feel good. My treatment has been do-able.

    It is such a personal decision, I send you strength as you sort everything out.

  • RdhJoy
    RdhJoy Member Posts: 27
    edited November 2018

    momand2kids—I did read the recent study and it was suggesting no chemo for intermediate scores but that was for women over 50. I'm 43 so I don't think that applies to me.... I’m also a grade 2.

    CPB1167–I'm glad to hear your treatments are going well. It is a lot to decide and I'm debating a second opinion even before I've had my first!

    Does the oncotype score also predict the recurrence of breast cancer or just distant cancers? I've read the info oncotype has online and I still can't decipher. I've only had a lumpectomy. If it's predictive of breast cancer returning, I don't know if I should be considering double mastectomy as well.

  • santabarbarian
    santabarbarian Member Posts: 3,085
    edited November 2018

    RdhJoy,

    Re preventing recurrence-- besides chemo, I think it is important to clean up your diet, & make your body less hospitable to cancer. V important to eat well, and not too much saturated fat, and to exercize. Even if you have no cancer cells left right now, you can still develop a new cancer when your system is off kilter or if you have too much inflammation or any pre-diabetic leanings.

  • JoE777
    JoE777 Member Posts: 628
    edited November 2018

    sorry to say even mastectomy doesn't prevent recurrence but lowers stats. Over treatment is tempting but double mastectomies bring a new set of health issues

  • edwards750
    edwards750 Member Posts: 3,761
    edited November 2018

    If only we could just whack them off and it would mean we would be recurrence-free. It’s understandable to want to rid ourselves of the source(s) of our BC but unfortunately it’s no guarantee.

    My sister had a MX and had a local recurrence in the MX scar area after 4 years of being cancer-free. Sometimes there is a stray cell lingering around.

    I was told the stats were the same for a lumpectomy vs mastectomy which is still hard to believe but stats bear this out.

    I had a lumpectomy and 33 radiation treatments plus Tamoxifen for 5 years. I was 7 years out last August. My Oncotype score was 11 which resulted in me dodging chemo. My MO said women have been over treated for years thus the Oncotype test to help them determine if chemo is warranted.

    Good luck whatever you decide.

    Diane


  • voraciousreader
    voraciousreader Member Posts: 7,496
    edited November 2018

    according to the latest study, Tailor X, those patients 50 and above with Oncotypr scores 25 and greater, benefit from chemo.


    Patients under 50 with scores 16 and above, will see a benefit from chemo as well..

  • RdhJoy
    RdhJoy Member Posts: 27
    edited November 2018

    JoE777–agreed. That’s why I didn’t do the mastectomies right off the bat. Just grasping at this point..

    Edwards750– I’d prefer not to whack them off lol. I’m just not sure with the higher oncotype number if that’s an indication or if it just is a recommendation for chemo.

    Voraciousreader—I did just read that study as well. Thank you for the info.

  • momand2kids
    momand2kids Member Posts: 1,508
    edited November 2018

    Hi Rdh

    My recollection is that the oncotype gives you a score that predicts a distant recurrence-- so in my case, there was a 7% possibility of distant recurrence if I did chemo and radiation and the drugs-- so that is a 93% chance that nothing will happen- I took those odds!!!

    My benchmark was "which decision will allow me to sleep at night?" My kids were young, I was 10 years younger than now-- so I picked chemo--- because I (and my onc) knew I could handle it and I was (and continue to be) very healthy. I can only tell you that I have never, since chemo ended, lost a minute's sleep wondering if I made the right decision. But that is what worked for me-- you might need to think a bit about how you make big decisions and how you manage stress.... In the end, you will make the right decision for you and your family.


    keep us posted. good luck

  • Flower216
    Flower216 Member Posts: 119
    edited November 2018

    Hi everyone! Who would have ever thought we would be posting on a message board about oncotype.

    I am 60 and in very good health (except for cancer), my oncotype was 24..the gray of the gray areas. Every medical specialist I spoke to said "if you were my sister", or "if it was me", they would have chemo. If I didn't do chemo, and I got a reoccurrence, I wouldn't be able to live with myself. If I have chemo and get a reoccurrence, I will know I fought the best I could!  Well...I start  chemo on Friday.

    As Momand2kids said it perfectly..." In the end, you will make the right decision for you and your family"

  • RdhJoy
    RdhJoy Member Posts: 27
    edited November 2018

    mom— I agree and I think I will end up doing it as well. It’s just all the unknowns that make it so hard.

    Flower216– I think about it the same. If I don’t do it and it returns, I will be blaming myself.

    Partly too, I was only prepared to be off work a month. I’m a dental hygienist and don’t know if I’ll be able to work during treatment. People come in sick all the time. It sucks that finances have to be another worry on top of everything else.

  • rachelcarter35
    rachelcarter35 Member Posts: 368
    edited November 2018

    At my second opinion from UCSF right before my surgery the doctor told me about the impending Taylor study. He explained that it was going to remove the center grey area and split the oncotype score at 25 to cut down on the confusion for women with hormone positive cancer. The Taylor study came out the week I got my score of 27( so close yet so far away) I had made the decision to go with chemo if it was 25 or above before I got it. I cried but am now through it.

  • Flower216
    Flower216 Member Posts: 119
    edited November 2018

    Rachel....my doctors also took the Taylor study into consideration when suggesting chemo. I am happy you got through your treatment...and now can look back at it.  I look forward to the day I am there too!

  • RdhJoy
    RdhJoy Member Posts: 27
    edited November 2018

    Rachel—makes more sense. That grey area really makes it difficult to make a decision.

    Flower—best of luck to you on Friday!

  • Sadlynew2018
    Sadlynew2018 Member Posts: 222
    edited November 2018

    hi rdh!

    My onco score was 27. I’m 41, married with three kids and have a full time job. My MO said I was in the gray area and, because of my personality (hating regrets), I went for chemo. I just finished the “tough” part (AC) and am starting the “T” next week. I was in great shape at the time of diagnosis, which I credit to helping me on bad says. The AC is tough for most on days 3-5 post treatment but you plan ahead. Just taking it day by day is key. Good luck on your appointment today. I pray for you to have clarity in your decisions. Feel free to message me if you wanted to vent, talk, etc.
  • RdhJoy
    RdhJoy Member Posts: 27
    edited November 2018

    Sadly new— Just left the MO office and they are recommending chemo for sure. She wants to give me taxotere and cytoxan—said those are the ones most widely used for breast cancer. Do you work throughout your treatments? She talked about getting sick with fever a problem but then said I can still work. I’m in a dental office and people or staff come in sick so I’m not sure what to do.

  • Flower216
    Flower216 Member Posts: 119
    edited November 2018

    RdhJoy...I see we were both diagnosed the same day...a day we will never forget.   I am going to have taxotere and Cytoxan...four treatements-three weeks apart.

    This stinks...but its nice we have friends here on this board!!

  • Utopria
    Utopria Member Posts: 204
    edited November 2018

    Hello ladies - My oncotype was 25, I was 43 but I had 2 nodes involvement. So the MO recommended chemo. Chemo is hard but you power through it. I worked through it. I took the treatment on a Friday for 8 weeks (4 weeks AC, and 4 T). I was grade 2...

    And I also had a double mastectomy and 30 days of Rads. I took Tamoxifen and then Letrozole.

    4 years later, it has metastazied to the spine. I'm telling you all this to say, do not underestimate BC. Take the most aggressive treatment possible, or else you might be second guessing your decision. Im glad I did so Im not kicking myself now. I at least have the knowledge that I did everything possible...

  • RdhJoy
    RdhJoy Member Posts: 27
    edited November 2018

    Flower—you’re not kidding! That’s exactly what she’s recommending for my treatment as well. We will have to keep in touch for sure.

    Utopria—as scary as it is facing it, I know you are right. I do want to have no regrets moving forward and know I did all I could. Good luck to you. I appreciate the information and perspective you have shared.

  • momand2kids
    momand2kids Member Posts: 1,508
    edited November 2018

    Hi Rdh

    I did work through chemo-was treated on Friday-generally made it back into the office on Tues/Wed. sometimes worked at home and some of my colleagues took some of my projects. I had 4 rounds of A/C over 8 weeks so it was not too long--- I work in a university so had some flexibility. I felt the worst on Mondays and Tuesdays--then felt great for the next 7 days, then time for another treatment.

    I also worked through radiation--took the 9am appointment every day, then on the way to work bought myself a bagel and tea-- then went to work. I found the end of radiation hard because the accumulation of chemo and radiation over a few months was exhausting. I tried to keep exercising, or at least walking-- did lots of elliptical training during radiation---- just to try to stay in shape.... then about a month after radiation, the exhaustion lifted and I felt like myself again.


    You can do this!!!!

  • MLAnne
    MLAnne Member Posts: 83
    edited December 2018

    My score was high - 34. So high in fact, that given my type of cancer, my oncologists actually called the company and spoke with them to make sure there was no mistakes. Sadly, it was accurate so chemo is in my future. I will start after the holidays.

  • RdhJoy
    RdhJoy Member Posts: 27
    edited December 2018

    mom—Thanks for your advice! Both my husband and boss told me they’d prefer I not work during chemo. So I guess I’m going to surrender and let them take care of me.....

    MLAnne—Good luck to you! I have a second opinion Monday so I’m assuming I’ll be starting soon :)

  • rachelcarter35
    rachelcarter35 Member Posts: 368
    edited December 2018

    RdhJoy: I had the same chemo; Taxotere and Cytoxan - 4 treatments every three weeks over twelve weeks like you. I did not work and let myself heal. If you can I suggest it.

  • LillianGish
    LillianGish Member Posts: 108
    edited December 2018

    Utropia, thank you for your post. Big hug and I’m sorry. :( You just expressed perfectly why I chose chemo. I haven’t even seen my Mammaprint score (hasn’t arrived yet....and it’s really late), but after long deliberation I thought...grade 3, 3 cm tumor, been in my body probably a long while spreading bad tidings, and a long history of family members dying of cancer....chemo for me. Nothing gets left on the table. My MO agreed.

    So, I start AC on Monday...four rounds / 21 day cycles.


  • Flower216
    Flower216 Member Posts: 119
    edited December 2018

    Utopria...people like you are the reason I love these boards! You have a wonderful, strong attitude which we need to support each other!!

    Lillian...I have same feeling as you. We need to do whatever is possible to fight. If we don't we may never be able to forgive ourselves.

    Be well and feel good!

  • MLAnne
    MLAnne Member Posts: 83
    edited December 2018

    Heard back from my Insurance on the Oncotype.

    They are labeling it a legitimate claim but the provider is Out of Network, so I get stuck with a $4,000 bill.

  • momand2kids
    momand2kids Member Posts: 1,508
    edited December 2018

    Rdh- great to be able to stay out of work. Reduces the possibility of getting any infection and gives you time to adjust to the drugs.... sounds like you have a plan.

  • RdhJoy
    RdhJoy Member Posts: 27
    edited December 2018

    MLAnne— I'd keep fighting. I know it's not the same but my friend had her genetic testing written off after she yelled at them on the phone for shaming down a cancer patient. These bills are ridiculous ThumbsDown

  • AliceBastable
    AliceBastable Member Posts: 3,461
    edited December 2018

    Yes, fight it. I have a very restrictive HMO that is for local doctors and facilities only, and they even approved my Oncotype. Check to see if the request was coded correctly, too; that seems to be a common problem with insurance rejections.

  • edwards750
    edwards750 Member Posts: 3,761
    edited December 2018

    MLAnne - can you not find a provider in network? I had the test done. It was $5k in 2011 when I had it done. I dodged chemo because of my low score of 11.

    Btw BC/BS approved a test my husband had to have from a hospital that was OON because it was the only place in town who did the test.

    Also Genomic Labs who did my Oncotype test said they would work with patients who had to pay out of pocket as in a sliding income scale.

    Diane

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