Anyone have delayed allergic reaction/hives on TC? Need opinions

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Appyfan
Appyfan Member Posts: 90

I had an outbreak of hives on day 12 of 2nd TC infusion. Was given methylprednisalone and told to take Claritin by onc's NP. I don't have a lot of confidence in her, but am stuck with her for next infusion (onc out of town). My dilemma- I've been taking the step down of the prednisone, and tomorrow is my last day of that. In addition, I had been taking a Claritin during the day, plus a Benadryl at night. The hives are MUCH better, but I'm still having the odd couple here and there, plus periods where my palms are really itchy. I didn't take the Claritin today, because I wanted to see if alll the medicine is just holding back the allergic reaction, but it never really went away. Next Thursday is my next infusion, and I'm nervous about having an even worse reaction this time. NP said they were just going to add more steroids and Benadryl to the pre-infusion drip. Has anyone else gone through something similar? What happened at your next infusion?

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  • Runrcrb
    Runrcrb Member Posts: 577
    edited September 2018

    i had to look back. I had a rash that started as itchy after my third treatment. Not as severe as yours ( cleared in a few days) but didn’t appear after my next treatment.

    Hope that helps.

  • Denise-G
    Denise-G Member Posts: 1,777
    edited September 2018

    I had hives and rashes but not until near the end. I took Claritin and a topical ointment. It helped, but I had them through the end

    until about two weeks after. My face looked like teenage acne. I look back at pictures and am horrified by how bad it looked.

    They upped my steroids before chemo.

    GOOD LUCK!

  • Appyfan
    Appyfan Member Posts: 90
    edited September 2018

    Thanks ladies! @Denise-G, when you say you had them until 2 weeks after, was it intermittent itchy spots/rash/hives popping up in different spots, or did you have a rash that was there all the time

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  • buttonsmachine
    buttonsmachine Member Posts: 930
    edited September 2018

    Appyfan, are your hives coming and going in different places? Or constant?

    While on TC I had contact dermatitis that looked liked hives, but it came and went throughout the day. I also had very itchy palms. However, my symptoms were actually not hives, but an unusual neurological reaction, and the start of neuropathy.

    I hope you can see your MO before your next infusion, and that you get some satisfactory answers.

  • Appyfan
    Appyfan Member Posts: 90
    edited September 2018

    buttonsmachine-they are coming and going different places. It started with an itchy scalp mostly on Sunday morning (didn't think hives at that point), then went crazy that night. Started as spots that looked like weird mosquito bites, but quickly spread to palm sized swelling under left arm, then inner thighs, then right arm, stomach, shoulders, wrists, inside elbows.

    I'm so glad you posted because I was just wondering whether the itchy palms might be neurological. That didn't start until Friday. I think I might try L-glutamine & see if that helps. When you mentioned you had the start of neuropathy, did it resolve after you stopped chemo?

  • Tresjoli2
    Tresjoli2 Member Posts: 868
    edited September 2018

    appy if it continues, you may be allergic to cremaphor, the solvent taxol is mixed with. Switching to Abraxane, which is taxol mixed with albumin instead of cremaphor, can help. You should discuss with your doctor is the switch is warranted.

  • buttonsmachine
    buttonsmachine Member Posts: 930
    edited September 2018

    In my case the palm itching was neurological, and skin rash was also neurological. My rash also looked like weird mosquito bites that came and went. The slightest touch of a seam, or even my cotton underwear would make me break out into the rash. I had other concerning neurological symptoms in addition to the rash: I had a painful feeling like bee stings in my feet, and I couldn't walk normally, because the Taxotere had affected my motor nerves. I do have some lasting effects from it.

    I don't want to scare you, but it's important to proceed very carefully when it comes to Taxotere and possible neurological symptoms. Unfortunately the neurological damage can be permanent, and the risk of that increases with each dose.

    Of course I don't know that you're having a neurological reaction - I just want to advocate for you to proceed with caution and make sure your MO is taking it seriously. My oncology nurse brushed it off at first, but my MO was really concerned. My MO said no more taxanes for me, but there are many other chemo drugs out there. I did much better on AC and Xeloda.

  • Appyfan
    Appyfan Member Posts: 90
    edited September 2018

    Thanks buttonsmachine. I’ll call the MO’s office in the morning. Now my palms are slightly better, but I’m having some pain in my feet when I walk. The hives seem less reactive tonight as well. This seems so strange that all this is happening so long after the last infusion (this is day 18 after infusion 2).


  • Alicethecat2
    Alicethecat2 Member Posts: 105
    edited September 2018

    Hello Appyfan

    Ah yes...you've just brought back memories of Taxotere. I had to have Piriton, another antihistamine, in the drip before a transfusion due to severe muscle aches and itchy skin.

    My onc reduced the dose of Taxotere to 80% of the standard dose. Problem solved.

    Could you ask your onc if this could work for you?

    Good luck with this

    Alice


  • Appyfan
    Appyfan Member Posts: 90
    edited September 2018

    Alicethecat2, thank you. I spoke to my MO today, and he said he was going to lower the dose and add more pre meds, but his tone was like I’m a pain in the butt. I’m getting really sick of the holier than thou attitudes of health care people.

  • buttonsmachine
    buttonsmachine Member Posts: 930
    edited September 2018

    I'm sorry you had that experience - that is so maddening! That is how I was treated too when I first complained. They called me "challenging" and said I had "tolerability issues" with chemo. They made me feel like I was just being a wimp, but actually it's that I had a very real and dangerous reaction to a very powerful drug!

    When is your next chemo scheduled for? Please keep us posted on how you're doing, and I hope it goes okay for you. ((Hugs))

  • Alicethecat2
    Alicethecat2 Member Posts: 105
    edited September 2018

    Appyfan

    A result!

    I'm sorry you have an unsympathetic onc. It really doesn't help, does it.

    One thing in particular that I've learned from this website is that sometimes we have to raise concerns with the medical team and be our oewn advocate for our own peace of mind.

    You may find your next infusion somewhat easier. But please do let the nurses know immediately if not.

    I hope it goes as well as mine did after the reduction.

    Alice


  • Appyfan
    Appyfan Member Posts: 90
    edited September 2018

    Buttonsmachine, my next infusion is this Thursday. I will let you know how it goes. All day today, my hands were very itchy and inflamed. Palms looked like hives today, but the pins & needles were gone. My feet were somewhat itchy, but not like my hands. No hives anywhere else.

    Alicethecat2, I hope I had the same result you did on the reduced dose. I’ve not had a bad time with SE’s until this itchy stuff happened, and even this isn’t horrible (as long as the neuropathy part isn’t permanent-I can take whatever temporary stuff is thrown at me). The worst part is now not feeling as comfortable with my MO. He has a great reputation as a dr (and as a nice guy, BTW), but now I’m feeling the nice guy part is contingent on his not being questioned.

    Thank you both so much for your support, and answering my questions

  • HikingLady
    HikingLady Member Posts: 650
    edited September 2018

    Appyfan:DELAYED ALLERGIC REACTION TO TAXOTERE AND THEN TO TAXOL

    I was on TC x 4 (every 3 weeks); started late June (had 1 extra week off between #2 and #3 infusion because of daughter's wedding)

    Day 8 after #3 infusion, I got all-over body hives. This is called Delayed Reaction, as you said, since it didn't pop up during the infusion--this has been explained to me, and it has to do with how our immune systems deal with allergens, and so "delayed" can happen, although it's less common than having a reaction immediately. Not only are hives awful (itchy, hurt) but of course, the NEXT step in an allergic reaction can be anaphylaxis, so my oncologist treated this as a Very Big Deal. In fact, it was recommended that I have an Epi-pen around, but there aren't any right now in the US. !!!! A supply problem. So, I took my steroid plan seriously.

    I was put on 8 mg Dexamethasone every 12 hours. Instructions were that if that didn't keep them down, move to every 8 hours or whatever works. After 5 days, I was tapered off. I ALSO took Claritin each day, just as one more insurance, and that was also recommended by oncologist.

    Then, for Infusion #4, my oncologist changed Taxotere to Taxol, in case I didn't have a sensitivity to Taxol, which is related to Taxotere but slightly different. Before Infusion #4, I also was given 20 mg of Dexamethasone two times (12 hrs apart) the day before (usual had been 8 mg, but this was to reduce the chance of an allergic reaction during infusion), and another 20 mg two hours before infusion, and then I-V 10 mg. I had no reaction on infusion day.

    However, on Day 9, I got all-over-body hives again. So, again, Dexamethasone 8mg every 12 hours. It worked and kept down the hives. Again, after about 5 days, I tapered slowly. My tapering schedule: First, I reduced the nighttime one (6 p.m) to be 4 mg, and if no hives, then next day 6 a.m. down to 4, and that evening, change 4 to 2 mg for the night, next a.m. 2 mg and then I was done.

    SLEEPING was a challenge. So, I always took 2 Benadryl + 1 Lorazepam on the nights when I'd had 8 mg of Dexamethasone at 6 p.m., and that worked.

    WORRY: I was cautioned to be always watching, and making sure that the steroids were working, so if I had to be gone out of town for part of a day, I took extra steroids along, just in case....

    FATIGUE was huge for 4-5 days after getting off steroids, both times. This is very recent---my 2nd experience was just 2 weeks ago, by the way. At about Day 14, when I'd been on steroids for 5 days, I started tapering down, and I had no hives, and no evidence of them at all after that.

  • Appyfan
    Appyfan Member Posts: 90
    edited September 2018

    Thank you for all that information, HikingLady. I’m on day 3 of 3rd infusion. I’m taking a daily Claritin, and had extra steroids and Benadryl in my pre-infusion, plus a reduction in the taxotere dose due to the neuropathy signs last time. I’ve already had a couple of itchy spots/ mild hives, but they resolved with steroid cream. Since I didn’t have the crazy reaction until day 12 last time, I’ll be walking on eggshells for a bit. I have a dose down pack of steroids just in case it flares up again

  • MiCyn
    MiCyn Member Posts: 73
    edited September 2018

    Applyfan....so weird that you posted on this subject. The same thing is happening to me. I had my third round of TC Sept 11..On Sept 19th I started itching. At first it was my legs, then my arms, then my hands. I scratched my hands so hard, it caused my left one to bruise.I was surprised by it, because my MO had increased steroids after 1st round, due to the SEs. This is worse then that 1st round of itching. I called RN. She said to take Benadryl & use Benadryl cream on rash. That's it. You know how much cream I would need for this rash. ALOT! It does seem to be getting better, thank goodness, but I'm concerned about my next round Oct 2. Unfortunately this rash started the day after seeing my MO. I think I will give my MO a call this week, let him know about it. I doubt RN even mentioned it. Good luck, hope your doing better.. Cyn

  • Appyfan
    Appyfan Member Posts: 90
    edited September 2018

    Hi MiCyn, I’m so sorry you are experiencing this too. The itching is maddening, and an allergic reaction is scary. Definitely call your MO. I started with Benadryl the last time and it did help, but in a couple days I had huge welts. I hope it gets better soon. I’m ok for now...just hoping it doesn’t flare up again

  • JNKK
    JNKK Member Posts: 86
    edited October 2018

    Hi I am currently doing TC. I too 8 days after #3 infusion, I started to have rashes all over my body except my torso. I went to see two dermatologists, both think that I have Erythema Multiforme - allergic reaction to medication. One of the dermatologist works at my cancer center. He said that it is unlikely that it is caused by the chemo, but since he can't be certain, he said that if I am in fact allergic to my chemo drugs, then next time when this happen, it will be deadly. I am wondering what all of your rashes looked like. My hands, feet and ankles are swollen, but not the sole of feet. They are itching and burning at the same time, especially on my hands. My wrists were swollen for about two days to a point that I thought they are bruised. I am not sure if I should continue with my last round. I am waiting to hear back from my MO on Monday. Can anyone let me know if you finished your round and have no more problems with the rashes? Thank you.

  • Runrcrb
    Runrcrb Member Posts: 577
    edited October 2018

    i had head to toe rash 8 days after round three. It did clear and didn’t reappear after the last round. I do second the advice to advocate for yourself and ensure your concerns are addressed. No need for added stress!


  • Appyfan
    Appyfan Member Posts: 90
    edited October 2018

    Hi JNKK, my major hives started about day 12 after infusion 2. For infusions 3 & 4, my taxotere dose was lowered, pre infusion steroids were increased, and I was told to take 10 mgs of Claritin daily as a preventative. For infusion 3, I still had some mild hives pop up here and there, but nowhere near as severe as the first time. I am now 15 days out from infusion #4, and have had no skin issues at all-not 1 hive, no rashes, nothing.

    Everyone is different, so I’m not sure our issues are exactly the same, but I had the same severe itchiness on my palms after infusion 2 that you described,and was also worried about a more severe reaction later. I think the dose reduction was the key for me.

  • JNKK
    JNKK Member Posts: 86
    edited October 2018

    I heard from my MO yesterday, she said that we will discuss further next Monday when I see her. Next Monday is also my last infusion.. I have no idea what will be done which is killing me. My Dermotologist did a biopsy on me when I went to see her last Thursday, so I am waiting to find out what the report would say. She called yesterday just to check up on me, also told me that she spoke to pathologist about my case. Pathologist called Taxotere “the nasty chemo drug”, because it causes all sorts of skin reactions. Right now, I am just praying that my MO will find a solution for me.

  • mlc96
    mlc96 Member Posts: 33
    edited October 2018

    I have the bad skin reaction too. This is the third time on Taxol and it happens every time, 2012, 2017 and again this year. My onc switched me to Abraxane, but I'm still having the same skin reaction from day 2 - 5 following infusion. I'm taking Claritin daily, one Benedryl every 6 hours during the day, 2 at night. Plus Aveeno oatmeal bath before bed, hydrocortisone skin lotion, and on 10 mg Prednisone. This is just to manage the symptoms, it won't be better until I'm done with chemo, 6 down and 6 more weeks to go.

  • Hallca8
    Hallca8 Member Posts: 1
    edited November 2018

    Thank you hiking lady and everyone else on here. JNKK your derm made me feel better because I was starting to think I was crazy. My onc also said it isn’t from the chemo and I find that hard to believe with so many posting about it. I broke out in hives on day 10 affter TC round 2 all over my arms, inner thighs and my bum. I had an immediate allergic reaction at infusion too, but they restarted it at a slower rate and I did ok. The onc on call over the weekend blew off my symptoms - chest tightness, inability to keep food down, difficulty breathing and swallowing, rash, itching. No swelling though. My onc RN has allergies and called me and said to get to the ER because I might be having an anaphylactic reaction and they come on so suddenly that I could be in real danger. I am now on prednisone, Pepcid (which also helps hives, surprisingly) and Benadryl at night. I also was prescribed an epipen but they told me it was of stock.please check to see if your script allows substitutions because the generic version is out there, the script just has to be written to allowing it. Wish none of us had to deal with this, but so glad I no longer feel like I am crazy and that it most likely is a Taxotere thing. The onc wanted me to go see an allergist.

  • JNKK
    JNKK Member Posts: 86
    edited November 2018

    The pathology report came back stated that my rashes were hives which could be anything. I had my last infusion yesterday. My oncologist didn’t switch the drug nor did she reduce the dosage. She did, however, told me that she will not give me Neulasta this round and told me not to change anything I have been eating or using. I also got a 4mg steroid prescription for a week. I am hoping that I won’t have rashes again this time. Oh, no I am also taking zrytec twice a day since the rash started and wi

  • Biggdan
    Biggdan Member Posts: 3
    edited January 2019

    My wife began having severe hives on arms, legs and hips about day 10 after 2nd infusion of TC. We fought this from last Thursday through today with every lotion/hydrocortisone known to man as well as an rx for hydroxyzine and a steroid pack. It's better today but wondering if we need to request a reduction in the Taxotere. Could anyone that was in this thread from earlier post what their eventual outcomes were? Thank you!

  • Appyfan
    Appyfan Member Posts: 90
    edited January 2019

    Hi Biggdan, my MO upped my pre infusion steroids, and lowered my taxotere dose after I had severe hives. I never reacted that badly again, but I did get the occasional hive popping up here and there on the remaining infusions. I don’t remember what the actual reduction was, just that the MO said the new dose was still a “therapeutic dose.” I would definitely ask. I just looked at my previous posts and realized I was taking a Claritin daily as a preventative. I think I did that for 2 wks after each infusion.

  • Lavenderlee
    Lavenderlee Member Posts: 27
    edited January 2019

    I had hives for awhile after chemo (about 6 weeks) and still get them occasionally. I take Benedryl when they’re coming on to help stop itching. However, the best thing I did was change my soap to Dove Sensitive skin and my laundry detergent to Dreft. Those small changes had a huge impact! Good luck to your wife

  • Alicethecat2
    Alicethecat2 Member Posts: 105
    edited January 2019

    Hello Bigdan

    Almost seven years ago, I was on Taxotere after other chemotherapy. The only way I could tolerate it was to have Piriton, an antihistamine, in the drip before the infusion. The onc had to change the Taxotete to 80% of the standard dose. A result!

    Good luck to your wife. Would it be worth discussing a reduce dose with your wife and onc?

    Alice

  • Anx789
    Anx789 Member Posts: 168
    edited January 2019

    Good morning ladies, anybody here did TC x 6? I am just wondering the benefits compare to TCx4, and how did you feel on #5 and #6, did SE get worst?

  • keepthefaith
    keepthefaith Member Posts: 2,156
    edited January 2019

    Anxiouslady, I haven't heard of that regimen, personally. I took 4 TC's. The SE's are cumulative. Seems like my 3rd dose was the worst. Maybe you should ask for a second opinion if you are unsure.. Best wishes.

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