Anyone have Osteopenia from Aromatase Inhibitors? Treatment?

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I had my DEXA scan last week and now have Osteopenia of my lumbar spine (1.5). My scan from 2 years ago was normal. I have only been on Arimidex for 16 months. My doctor is recommending Prolia shots every 6 months. I have been doing some research online and am a bit confused as to why they are not recommending Bisphosphonate intervention as a first line treatment. Appears that Bisphosphonates are much cheaper and have fewer possible side effects. Your thoughts?

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  • Luckynumber47
    Luckynumber47 Member Posts: 397
    edited October 2018

    This came up at my last visit. I had a baseline dexa which showed a tiny bit of osteopenia. Now after 2 years on letrozole the dexa showed lots of osteopenia and a tiny bit of osteoporosis. Thankfully, my MO is conservative and is recommending 1000 mg calcium and d3 every day and a repeat dexa next year.

    If I end up having to get the shots I think I would prefer Prolia. At least from what I've read here it seems to help the bones hold up better over the long run and maybe provide some protection from bone mets.

    Why don't you have a discussion with your dr about why he recommends Prolia over the bisphosphonates and why he wants to start now instead of waiting a bit.

  • Jinx27
    Jinx27 Member Posts: 238
    edited October 2018

    Yes I do! Im 30 y/o with it. My close BC friend who also has it encouraged me to take this supplement called GROW BONE manufactured by Garden of Eden. It supposed to help maintain osteopenia so that it dissent develop in to osteoporosis. To be honest I have soo many supplements in my home im overwhelmed. Im going to start this this week.

    There are alot of great reviews from bc survivors and beyond. Best wishes.

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  • encoremom
    encoremom Member Posts: 186
    edited October 2018

    Hi. I'm 10 years out but had the same experience as you with Arimidex. My doctor gave me Reclast (a bisphosphonate) IV injections yearly for three years although I think he waited until I had full blown osteoporosis. I had some pretty significant side effects with that too but it did reverse the osteoporosis. I agree that asking your doctor why he's recommending Prolia over a Bisphosphonate might help you make the decision. When I encountered this years ago,Prolia was new on the market so my doctor wasn't recommending it at that time. I wouldn't hesitate to question your doctor why Prolia and why now.

  • Icietla
    Icietla Member Posts: 1,265
    edited October 2018

    After my first two years of AI treatment, my next DEXA Scan showed Osteopenia. I have since had two Prolia injections, six months apart.

    I do not know why different Doctors recommend different treatment plans for these findings.

    Here is another (bone health related) thread that may be helpful.

    https://community.breastcancer.org/forum/120/topics/864433?page=1

  • Legomaster225
    Legomaster225 Member Posts: 672
    edited October 2018

    Thank you for the info. I just had a baseline DEXA scan and just started in Aromasin. Results show osteopenia and one spot in my spine with osteoporosis. Looking at options now so this thread Is perfect timing.
  • JoE777
    JoE777 Member Posts: 628
    edited October 2018

    I had a touch of osteopenia before DX. Once I started AIs I was started on calcium, vitamin D and prolia shots. (2012) No progression even with Femara/ kisqali treatment. Was immediately started on zometo infusions which has done wonders for my bone damage from tumors. Can't say enough about simple 30 minute infusion once a month . Soon I'll be moved to every 3 months. Good luck and Peace for your day. J

  • NotVeryBrave
    NotVeryBrave Member Posts: 1,287
    edited October 2018

    Interesting. I had my first DEXA scan after chemo and surgery were done. It showed Osteopenia but nothing was discussed for treatment. I recently asked my MO about it. He went on and on about how he thinks it should be treated rather than waiting for Osteoporosis. Then he deferred to my PCP for any treatment or follow up.

  • Fitz33
    Fitz33 Member Posts: 243
    edited October 2018

    I'm 7 years on Anastrazole and my recent bone density exam showed Osteopenia. I had Ben taking 2000 units daily Vitamin D but have now added 600 mg Calcium. Im also receiving a Reclast infusion every 6 months to help with the osteopenia and to ward off future bone cancer. I haven't had any side effects from the reclast and the infusion only takes about 25 min. I have another 3 years of AI unless studies show that I need to be on it longer

  • ctmbsikia
    ctmbsikia Member Posts: 1,095
    edited October 2018

    I had a DEXA scan last year before DX and I failed this test too.  I have osteopororis in my femour neck (or hip) and osteopenia in the other 2 places they test. My MO is recommending Prolia.  First injection will be in Feb. 2019.  Can't get another DEXA 'til end of 2019, so we'll see if it helps.

  • letsgogolf
    letsgogolf Member Posts: 263
    edited October 2018

    Anyone know the price of Prolia shots? My insurance agreed to pay 1/2 but I can't seem to pin anyone down on the exact price. I have called my doctor's office, the billing department, patient scheduling, financial assistance at the hospital and even my insurance company. I have left messages for over a week without a single returned call. Those that I have been able to speak with only tell me that these shots are very expensive and they think they are between $1,200 and 1,500 each. I am leaning towards Fosamax or Boniva because generics are available and they seem to be very inexpensive.

  • NotVeryBrave
    NotVeryBrave Member Posts: 1,287
    edited October 2018

    For anyone with a cost issue - it's worth checking the manufacturer website for any programs theo offer. I was able to get a deal on Neupogen shots when I needed them. Even though I have pretty good insurance, the copay as a "specialty drug" was really high. With the program - it was only $10.

  • leftduetostupidmods
    leftduetostupidmods Member Posts: 620
    edited October 2018

    I have it. It used to be really bad but now it's barely there. At the advice of my BSO I am keeping my vitD3 levels above 55 (trick is to take it at least 3 hours before/after calcium -I take 5000UI daily) and take calcium 2x600mg daily. It helped.

    Not much helps the osteoarthritis I got from them though. My cervical spine is so damaged that I'm slowly losing hands function - and I'm only 57.

  • Nancy2581
    Nancy2581 Member Posts: 1,234
    edited October 2018

    I have osteopenia as well. Showed up with my first dexa scan when I was about to start letrozole. My MO wanted me to start Prolia, but of course my insurance denied it and said I hadn't tried any of the other oral bone strengtheners. So I am taking fosamax (think that's what it's called). I take it weekly. Have no idea if it's helping or not as I probably won't have another dexa scan for another year. Not sure why my MO wanted to start with Prolia first.


    Nancy

  • letsgogolf
    letsgogolf Member Posts: 263
    edited October 2018

    Nancy2581 I know exactly what you mean. Confusing why some doctors want to start out with the big guns. Makes we wonder if they may be getting payments from some of these drug companies for promoting higher dollar drugs. I asked the nurse if I could instead take Fosamax but they haven't gotten back to me yet. I have read several studies indicating that bisphosphonates actually prevent a good percentage of bone metastasis and some doctors are recommending for patients without bone issues. Did you doctor require a dental checkup prior to giving you this drug?

  • muska
    muska Member Posts: 1,195
    edited October 2018

    I had very mild osteopenia before starting Arimidex that worsened on Arimidex despite regular exercise. Started Prolia about two years into Arimidex. Had DEXA scan after two years of Prolia - bone density better than before BC treatment.

    I have no side effects from Prolia and my MO recommended I continue it for now - primarily because of very reassuring study results with regards to bone mets prevention.

    Somebody asked about Prolia injection costs. Many private insurances cover it 100% (subject to policy deductible) for women who are on AI after BC diagnosis. This is a specialty medication distributed through specialty pharmacies. The contract cost of an injection was $1,172 under my policy and it was fully covered by my insurance.

  • letsgogolf
    letsgogolf Member Posts: 263
    edited October 2018

    My insurance will cover 50% of the Prolia. I don't want to spend between $600 and $750 twice a year...I am too cheap. My sister is 65 and between Medicare and her AARP plan, she pays $200.

  • JoE777
    JoE777 Member Posts: 628
    edited October 2018

    When I was on private insurance they didn't pay for it until I met out of pocket. They treated it as medicine even though I had to go to the infusion center at the hospital. That was in 2012-2014.

    Medicare and AARP pay my zometo infusions totally now

  • NotVeryBrave
    NotVeryBrave Member Posts: 1,287
    edited October 2018

    Check out "Prolia Copay Program" through Amgen. It's for those with commercial insurance and limits your cost to $25 per shot. They cover the rest of whatever your insurance doesn't pay for - up to $1,000 per year.

  • muska
    muska Member Posts: 1,195
    edited October 2018

    One might be able to further reduce costs if you self-administer it. You can save time & $$ if you don't go to the clinic to get the shot.

    Prolia comes in self-injectable syringe that is very easy to use. With your MO's approval you can do it at home.

  • april1964
    april1964 Member Posts: 223
    edited October 2018

    Do you have to have a lot of osteopenia in order to have treatment for it? My dexa scan shows it to be only in my right hip but nowhere else.


  • letsgogolf
    letsgogolf Member Posts: 263
    edited October 2018

    april1964 Very good question. I would like to know this as well because I only have it in 1 area of my spine. Anyone care to comment?

  • SoCalLisa
    SoCalLisa Member Posts: 13,961
    edited October 2018

    I had fosamax for a couple of years. Keep my Vitamin D3 level at 60. After arimidex was over my bones got better without the fosamax.

  • beep7bop
    beep7bop Member Posts: 130
    edited April 2019

    Had my DEXA scan last week just got results today I too have osteopenia in both hips. I just started anastrozole 1 mg daily and D-3 50,000 unit once a week for 12 wks. I was DX with breast cancer in Feb 2019 first left then after double mx also had it in right invasive mammary carcinoma do to both IDC and ILC

  • muska
    muska Member Posts: 1,195
    edited May 2019

    @April

    In my experience, oncologists usually want to see the dynamics after you have been on AIs for two years. I had some osteopenia when I started AI, nothing major and far from osteoporosis diagnosis. Follow up DEXA two years later showed noticeable worsening of osteopenia - that is despite good nutrition and exercise. Started Prolia, fast forward two years another DEXA showed significant improvement to the point where bone density is now better than before any treatment started.

    I hope this helps.

  • Legomaster225
    Legomaster225 Member Posts: 672
    edited May 2019

    That is a positive result muska!  I'm happy for you!!

    I have osteopenia and osteoporosis diagnosed last fall as a baseline when I started my AI.  I have had an annual dose of Reclast (no side effects at all) and am taking 1200mg of Calcium, 3,000IU of Vitamin D and 400mg of Magnesium.  Hopefully, that along with exercise will keep it from getting worse or dare I hope that it even improves?!?  

  • april1964
    april1964 Member Posts: 223
    edited May 2019

    that’s great news Muska!!!


  • ctmbsikia
    ctmbsikia Member Posts: 1,095
    edited May 2019

    Right around my bc diagnosis I also had a DEXA.  Showed osteopenia in my spine and osteoporosis in my hip.  My MO mentioned Prolia on my 1st visit with her.  I was not interested at the time, more worried about getting on the AI and having any side effects.  I'm not sure how insurance works, whether you have to be a high risk of fracture to be approved or what's up.  My Prolia claim was denied this past February saying that this drug was not an approved treatment for osteoporosis, even though the diagnosis on the claim was the BC and I'm being treated with the AI.  So, I am in a holding pattern until my next DEXA which will be due in December this year-(again, insurance reasons, DEXA covered every 2 years!)

    Meanwhile, while on a visit to my regular Dr, I saw the NP who said I am awfully young to have this diagnosis of osteo. and I should be getting some sort of treatment for it. (I'm 57).  She then informed me that your parathyroid gland can be a factor in  OS.  She ordered the PTH (parathyroid hormone blood test) for next visit.  Your parathyroid regulates the amount of calcium in your bloodstream, so if it's not working right, it will take the calcium from your bones.  Most patients will show high levels of calcium in their blood, mine is still within normal range although a couple readings have been over 10.   Another holding pattern, not sure if I have this, I'm guessing not.

    I can't say where the parameters lay in what the approved treatments are, and what insurance companies will cover, and how it all relates to hormone therapy.  I'm Ok waiting for now.   To date, this is my experience.  I have no clue what will happen with my bones!

  • OCDAmy
    OCDAmy Member Posts: 873
    edited May 2019

    I had a DEXA in January and it showed the same as some of you, only slight osteopenia in one area. I have a new MO and she said she is very pro Zometa for post menopausal women on AI because the research shows that it is very effective in preventing bone mets in addition to strengthening bones . She wants me to see my dentist first to get the go ahead to start. I didn't even think that insurance would not pay for it. I suppose the MO office would get prior approval? How are the side effects from Zometa? This jaw thing has me scared but I understand it is rare.

  • letsgogolf
    letsgogolf Member Posts: 263
    edited May 2019

    You might want to look into Fosamax which is a pill that you take once a week. I have been taking it for several months without side effects. I get a 3 month supply at Sam's Club for only $12. I tried Boniva which is a once a month pill but I did not do well on it. Had lots stomach issues which is very unusual for me.

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