Bi-rad 4c and waiting

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Lmcnz
Lmcnz Member Posts: 6
edited September 2020 in Not Diagnosed But Worried

I recently discovered that I have a 4c Birad with polymorphic calsifications. I am 35, considered low risk and no family history of breast cancer. I found a mass in my right breast which now seems to have a small lumps on it. This whole process started July 6 with my first mammogram and ultrasound and now I am waiting until Aug 29 (unless they have a cancellation) for a biopsy. I am going crazy waiting. Not sure what to do, my odds, anything really. Hate waiting



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  • Bellapam
    Bellapam Member Posts: 71
    edited July 2017

    The waiting really is the worst part, Lmcnz! I hope you are able to take advantage of a cancellation and get your biopsy out of the way sooner, and receive a b9 result soon after!

  • Lmcnz
    Lmcnz Member Posts: 6
    edited July 2017

    Thank you. I don't understand how something like this takes so long.

  • MTwoman
    MTwoman Member Posts: 2,704
    edited July 2017

    Lmcnz, I am so sorry you find yourself here worried about your breast health and awaiting a biopsy. Do you live in a small town with just a single available provider? If not, I'm not sure why it would take so long. I would encourage you to talk to your doctor (you don't give us many details, so I'm not sure if you initially went to your PCP or OB/GYN) and the radiologist who performed your imaging to find out what your options are for a referral to a different BS.

    As far as the "odds" you asked about, I do not want to alarm you, but the positive predictive value of a BIRADS 4c score is approximately 79%. Read more about that scoring system here: http://breast-cancer.ca/bi-rads/ So that doesn't mean it's a certainty you have bc, but a month is a long time to wait to find out (and then wait again for your pathology results). It's time to get a bit pushy. Be firm, call often, ask what your options are.

    Good luck!

  • jjAriz
    jjAriz Member Posts: 28
    edited July 2017

    LMCNZ,

    I am in a similar situation. BIRADS 4c. Mammogram 7/20 and core biopsy today. Your wait seems really long if you're located in the US, and you're having a core biopsy. CAll your primary doc and get a referral to another provider. Or call around to other providers and when you find one that has a lesser wait, then get the referral. I started a thread last week asking if 10 days was a reasonable wait. You might want to read some of the responses.

    Blessings,

    Jamie

  • trendsetter
    trendsetter Member Posts: 2
    edited July 2017

    Lmcnz,

    I am also waiting. Had a mammogram and ultrasound on 7/19 after noticing "dimpling" at the bottom of my left breast. Had been told years earlier that I had fibrocystic disease. Did not feel anything new but that skin change prompted me to have the mammogram. Results were a 4cm X2cm irregular "mass" on the mammogram and same thing on ultrasound with "significant shadowing". BI-RAD rating of 5. I figure that is pretty much a sure thing and the biopsy is now only a formality. Have an appointment to meet breast surgeon on 8/2 to set up core needle biopsy. The waiting is driving me crazy. I empathize with what you are feeling.

  • Lnelson
    Lnelson Member Posts: 1
    edited July 2017

    I am going through the same thing right now and so scared. Birad4c with a biopsy scheduled for August 2nd. What my doctor had dismissed as fibrocystic turns out to be three solid suspicious masses with lymph node abnormalities. I originally felt two lumps a year and a half ago when I first brought them to the attention of my doctor. I hadn't felt much change in the size of the lumps but requested an ultrasound to give me some peace of mind last month. I feel like I've had the rug pulled out from under me. I'm 34 with no family history. I don't think I have ever felt so terrified. Xanax has been helpful for sleep. I have a 5 year old and 4 year old daughter and feel like I'm fighting back tears all day. I pray this is nothing but a scare for us all

  • Rrobin0200
    Rrobin0200 Member Posts: 433
    edited August 2017

    deep breath. Your situation sounds very similar to mine. Went in for first mammogram, came out with birads 4, pleomorphic calcifications in L breast. Biopsy indicated DCIS. I'm 37. However, your biopsy has a chance of coming back B9... about 80% comes back B9.

    After weighing my options, I decided to get a double mastectomy with direct implants. I don't regret my decision. The surgery and reconstruction wasn't so bad. Even though the initial shock was horrible, just realize that you're in the worst part of this journey. Waiting is for the birds, but sadly we all have to do it. See if you can get on the cancellation list. Let them know how anxious you are. Maybe then can prescribe xanax.

    PM me if you need to talk. I understand the emotions you are going through. Hugs and positive vibes coming your way.

  • Sassa
    Sassa Member Posts: 1,588
    edited July 2017

    Just to let you know, I received a BIRADS 5 on my left breast due to polymorphic calcifications.

    It turned out to be totally benign changes of an aging breast.

  • Jeepgirl1957
    Jeepgirl1957 Member Posts: 10
    edited October 2018

    I am so scared. I had a 3d mammogram on September 13, 2018. I have had routine ones for 20 years. I am 61. I got called back for a mammogram and ultrasound on October 2nd. Today I got the results back from my doctor. BIRADS 4C. It said highly suspicious for malignancy. I have a core needle biopsy scheduled for October 10th. The doctor put in a referral for a breast surgeon today. The mass is only 8mm. He said it is extremely small. I am so scared it will be malignant. The waiting is terrible.

  • Moderators
    Moderators Member Posts: 25,912
    edited October 2018

    Keeping you in our thoughts, Jeepgirl, and hoping for benign results! Keep us posted!

    The Mods

  • djmammo
    djmammo Member Posts: 2,939
    edited October 2018

    Jeepgirl1957

    This information may help while you are waiting:

    Table 35: Tumor size and breast cancer survival

    Surveillance, Epidemiology, and End Results (SEER) Program Findings Among 21,465 women diagnosed with non-metastatic breast cancer between 1995-1999
    Tumor size 5-year relative survival

    Smaller than 1 cm100%
    1-1.9 cm100%


    Breast Tumor Size and Cancer Survival Statistics | Susan G. Komen®

    click on this link for whole article: ww5.komen.org/BreastCancer/Table35Tumorsizeandbreastcancersurvival.html
  • djmammo
    djmammo Member Posts: 2,939
    edited October 2018

    Jeepgirl1957

    This page may supply some of the information that you seek: https://ww5.komen.org/BreastCancer/Table35Tumorsiz...

  • Jeepgirl1957
    Jeepgirl1957 Member Posts: 10
    edited October 2018

    I got my biopsy on Wednesday. Radiologist told me he thought I had a papilloma with atypia. He was joking and telling the nurse stories but was very calming. He said he got 5 good samples from it. Today I got a call from my doctor's nurse saying I have invasive breast cancer. I don't know anything else. I am so scared. I knew it could be in the back of my mind but I just don't know.. I have an appointment with a breast surgeon in 2 days.

  • djmammo
    djmammo Member Posts: 2,939
    edited October 2018

    Jeepgirl1957

    Your odds are still very good.

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  • Jeepgirl1957
    Jeepgirl1957 Member Posts: 10
    edited October 2018

    Thank you. I am hopeful.

  • CasM
    CasM Member Posts: 110
    edited October 2018

    Thinking of you jeepgirl195 - I go for a biopsy today. I agree the waiting is terrible.

  • Jeepgirl1957
    Jeepgirl1957 Member Posts: 10
    edited October 2018

    I went to see the surgeon today. He said the tumor is very small. We will be doing an MRI on Friday to determine if it has spread and also to check the other breast too. The plan if everything looks the same is a lumpectomy and then 30 radiation treatments and possibly a hormone. If it has spread plans may change to a mastectomy then chemo and radiation. I am hoping for the best.

  • Sherri000
    Sherri000 Member Posts: 47
    edited October 2018

    djmammo

    When survival rates are listed, are they listed with a specific course of action in mind? Do the statistics include people who forgo treatment altogether or are they only taking into account only those who actively undergo standard treatments? Thanks

  • Sherri000
    Sherri000 Member Posts: 47
    edited October 2018

    Jeepgirl1957


    Good luck with your treatments. I hope the best for you. I had an excisional biopsy Thursday so I'm awaiting my results now.

  • Jeepgirl1957
    Jeepgirl1957 Member Posts: 10
    edited October 2018

    I hope for good results for you on your biopsy. Had MRI today. Went well . Will know results Monday.

  • Sherri000
    Sherri000 Member Posts: 47
    edited October 2018

    Hoping for the best possible outcomes for your MRI. Keep us posted.

  • djmammo
    djmammo Member Posts: 2,939
    edited October 2018

    Sherri000

    When survival rates are listed, are they listed with a specific course of action in mind?

    No, I believe you would need to see survival statistics on a specific treatment for that information.

    Do the statistics include people who forgo treatment altogether?

    I cant imagine they do. I assume they would not meet the criteria for inclusion in any study other than one specifically for those who refused main-stream treatments. The pt's I knew over the years who refused treatment either never came back or had some kind of nontraditional treatments only to return when things got really bad. Including them might throw off the numbers.

  • Sherri000
    Sherri000 Member Posts: 47
    edited October 2018

    djmammo


    Thank you. It makes sense. I was curious as there isn't a lot of information out there about the natural progression of cancer without treatment, at least not that I have found. Understandably so as who would fund such a study or information. And I would imagine it would vary greatly by person depending on so many different factors.


  • TalBirad4
    TalBirad4 Member Posts: 13
    edited October 2018

    my mom went for a mammogram on Thursday and they called her back to take more images of the left breast. The report said cluster of calcification appears to be in a linear pattern with some pleomorphic appearance...these two words "linear" and "pleomorphic" are freaking me out...she has a birads rating of 4 "suspicious" ...I'm praying its benign. We already went through hell when my 5 month old was diagnosed with Retinoblastoma...he lost his left eye...

  • MelissaDallas
    MelissaDallas Member Posts: 7,268
    edited October 2018

    Talbirad4, this thread specifically refers to a Birads "4C" and you do not have that information

  • GoldenGirltoo
    GoldenGirltoo Member Posts: 3
    edited October 2018

    Jeepgirl, I am 61 y/o like you are now. At 55, was diagnosed with invasive breast cancer, small tumor, just under 1cm. It was a shock out of the blue as no signs, no lump, clean mammos prior. Then came the big wave of pre-op stuff, lumpectomy, radiation in a 4 month blur and then anastrozole for 5.5 years. And guess what? My oncologist just released me and said you are good to go--this cancer is gone. So here I am 6 years later, only a little worse for wear, with some bone loss due to the Anastrozole, nary so much as a scar, and feeling blessed. You too can do this!

  • GoldenGirltoo
    GoldenGirltoo Member Posts: 3
    edited October 2018

    Jeepgirl, I am 61 y/o like you are now. At 55, was diagnosed with invasive breast cancer, small tumor, just under 1cm. It was a shock out of the blue as no signs, no lump, clean mammos prior. Then came the big wave of pre-op stuff, lumpectomy, radiation in a 4 month blur and then anastrozole for 5.5 years. And guess what? My oncologist just released me and said you are good to go--this cancer is gone. So here I am 6 years later, only a little worse for wear, with some bone loss due to the Anastrozole, nary so much as a scar, and feeling blessed. You too can do this!

  • Jeepgirl1957
    Jeepgirl1957 Member Posts: 10
    edited October 2018

    Thank you so much GoldenGirl. It gives me hope. I had my MRI. Results came back all right side looked clear. Left side they found one questionable lymph node. Now waiting for fine needle aspiration on left side node/nodes. Seems like it has been alot of waiting since initial mammogram on September 13. Thank you so much for your reply. And congratulations on your good results!

  • beep7bop
    beep7bop Member Posts: 130
    edited March 2019

    hey, had biopsy today wasn't bad at all. They took 5 samples, mass does have blood flow. Now I just wait for report. I have appt with my breast cancer doctor on march 12. But I hope to get report before that. Waiting is awful

  • Salamandra
    Salamandra Member Posts: 1,444
    edited March 2019

    Hey beep7bop,

    Waiting does indeed suck. I hope you don't have long to wait and that you will get good news!

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