Starting Chemo in JAN 2007

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  • joyous85
    joyous85 Member Posts: 5
    edited February 2007
    Good morning,
    I am new to this forum. I have been reading alot of the blogs back and forth and it is very reassuring to know that I am not the only one going through this. I was just diagnosed tues night with IDC, grade 3. That is all that I know right now. I had a lump node biopsy yesterday and the test results should be back Tues. I meet with the Oncology team on Wed, so at that point they should be able to diagnose my stage (?). This is all new to me! I have been reading the lingo and I have nothing else to add at this point....I have no idea the stage, no idea the size. I am somewhat ready to get started. I have a long journey in front of me, but I am extremely thankful for the family support & support of friends....and now even strangers from this site!
  • Amera
    Amera Member Posts: 452
    edited February 2007
    Hi Joyous, sorry you are having to go through this. But as you can see, we are all managing pretty well. There are ups and downs but chemo, if you need it, is manageable.

    You will know more once your path report from your surgery comes back. They can tell you how big the tumor was, how aggressive, if your lymph nodes were involved, and if you are hormone receptive. This will give the chemo team a lot more to work with. You may or may not need chemo, maybe just radiation, so don't worry about it yet. But if you do, know that it's probably not nearly as bad as you've imagined.
    Good luck and let us know what you find out.
    Amera
  • Amera
    Amera Member Posts: 452
    edited February 2007
    Wow gang, so much for sailing right through. It sounds as if some of us are having a tough go with the low blood counts and run around with the staff. Maybe by round 3, they will have the kinks worked out.

    Robertin, that is a gorgeous grandbaby you have. So glad you get to visit him soon.

    Rebecca, you are tiny. I'm sure they amount of protein they gave me is way too much for you. But I think the fortified milk idea is good. She mentioned that you should try to use milk in soups where you can. She also said something about the very high calorie breakfast drink mixes as well.

    Hope everyone is doing well today, resting, and getting those counts back up.
    Amera
  • Rebecca
    Rebecca Member Posts: 971
    edited February 2007
    Dear Joyous,

    Hang in there! It is a frightening road, but if you focus on the horizon, the things in front of your face can seem less daunting. You can do it, and remember that you are NEVER alone. Keep us posted
  • Rebecca
    Rebecca Member Posts: 971
    edited February 2007
    Good morning Amera,

    Yes, I know that the figures they gave you for protein are too much for a midget like me :-). I actually found a calculation to use to figure out how many calories and grams of protein I need to maintain weight.

    15 calories per pound to maintain weight
    .5 gram of protein per pound
    to gain weight back, add 500 calories

    I have also been trying to work out through all of this....I think it helps a bit. I ride a stationary bike every morning (even when I feel yuck, like I did this morning...I just do not do it as long) You said that you have been running. Have you decreased how far/long you run during your treatment?
  • skyedivine
    skyedivine Member Posts: 839
    edited February 2007

    Thanks, Rebecca. If my tiara gave anyone a good laugh or even a chuckle then it was worth it. We need something to balance the heavy stuff we are all dealing with. Should I start a new thread where everyone can post their tiara pix? Even those plastic ones from the dollar store toy wall will do.- Skye

  • Amera
    Amera Member Posts: 452
    edited February 2007
    Hi Rebecca, I have tried to keep up the running. I also do some kick boxing and step classes. I have cut back a bit but have tried to go most days. The first week is tough but after that I'm back to a full workout but maybe without as much intensity. I ran/walked about 3.5 miles the other day whereas I would usually run, full out for 3-4. Just didn't have the stamina. I've also lowered the step in step class from 2 to 1. I've also found that sit-ups make me nauseous. So, I don't do them.

    Good for you on the bike. I think if I had something I could do at home it would be a lot easier. I was a paranoid mess at the gym on the days were my counts were supposedly lowest. I'd stop every 5 minutes to hand sanitize. Now I just need to figure out some sort of work out head gear that will a) stay on and not fly off, b) not make me pass out from the heat, and c) not make me look too much like a baldy. Such projects these days.
    Amera
  • ritajean
    ritajean Member Posts: 4,223
    edited February 2007
    Good morning everyone. Although we hate the fact that you've signed on to this journey, Joyous, we are glad to have you. As you said, you are just beginning and things will not seem quite so overwhelming when you have all the test results in and have a plan of attack. At that point you will feel as if you have a little control over what happens to you and the ladies on this thread and any other thread on this site will help you get through whatever it is that you have to face to beat this disease. Hugs to you and good luck. Let us know what you find out.

    Melia..glad you got through the second AC on Wednesday and hope you're feeling well today. I, too, find myself worrying about the future when I am idle. It sure doesn't help us any to worry but I think it's very common and probably one of the reasons so many of us are having bouts with insomnia, too. Hang in there. Once we get through these treatments, the future will be bright.

    Amera...ROUND TWO IS OVER!!!! Hope you're feeling well today, too.

    Rebecca... I have the "can't get back to sleep nights" pretty often lately. I'm so tired early in the evening that I fall asleep and then wake up about midnight and can't go back to sleep. It's like I'm trying to solve all the problems of the world in my mind from midnight to three a.m. :-)

    Shorti.....I have a long, haired black cat that has a way of brightening my days. He's 13 years old now and just had a tumor of his own removed about 7 months ago. Luckily it was benign so he's here to help me get through the rough times. He curls up in my lap and purrs the night away and always meet me at the door, just like a dog does. What would we do without our "fur-babies?"

    Skye......what can I say???? I LOVE THE TIARA! How elegant!

    Gilda......congrats on reaching the half-way mark and making the turn. You're on the downhill slide now! I'm envious! :-)

    Rebecca....don't know if you like them or not but my nutritionist suggested raisins as a good source of protein, so I've been eating raisin bread (toasted, raisin bran, and just keeping those little individual boxes around so I can munch on them when I get a little hungry.
    Raisin cookies would be good, too!

    Hang in there Mizsissy.........you can do it! WE ALL CAN!
    How's Tae doing????

    Gotta get something done around here. I drove to northern Illinois yesterday to visit my Mom who's in a nursing home up there and was simply exhausted when I get back last night so I slept in this morning.

    Everybody have a good weekend!
    Rita
  • Rebecca
    Rebecca Member Posts: 971
    edited February 2007
    Hey Skye
    sounds like a great idea. I should go raid my kids dress-up bin. I love that you are using your pic as your avatar. You are beautiful!
  • Rebecca
    Rebecca Member Posts: 971
    edited February 2007
    Hey Amera

    I usually wear a headwrap or a hat when I ride my bike. I am always cold (most likely due to my rather unfavorable surface area to volume ratio :-)) so I wear a fleecy hat. Here are a couple of alternative that you might like, though:

    http://www.headcovers.com/moreinfo.php?id=10107
    http://www.headcovers.com/moreinfo.php?id=10555

    I have been very afraid to push myself too hard on the bike. In addition to my morning ride (usually about 2 miles) I also go out of my way to walk to get my kids from school, and do a lot of other walking and running around. It is probably not technically enough, but it is something! I am very impressed with your stamina. BC will have to run really really fast to get you!
  • Amera
    Amera Member Posts: 452
    edited February 2007
    Mizsissy, you cannot give up! You will be back to your old self soon enough and will be ready for another round. I did feel that way during day 5 last time, but yesterday, I was glad to be getting another one out of the way.
    You have been such a wonderful support for all the ladies here. Take care of yourself, get some rest, and get a new nurse. You are right, this nonsense is not what we need right now, but hopefully they will have things straightened out before too long. Hang in there.
    Amera
  • viddie
    viddie Member Posts: 547
    edited February 2007
    Hi All,
    Jan, Thanks for resizing my picture.
    Rebecca, Thanks for offering. I guess I am not as computer savvy as I would like to be.
    Amera, you sound good after your chemo.
    Joyous, Welcome, and whatever happens, it is all doable. We are bigger than it is, and we can and will beat this.
    I think they are treating me with antibiotics prophylactically to prevent any further infections. Maybe it was too late to give me a shot at day 15. I think she thinks the wbc will start going up, and if it doesn't bounce back enough by chemo day, she will just postpone it until it does. Meanwhile, the antibiotics should prevent me from getting another infection. I will be getting the Neulaster shots after my next treatments.
    I just called the nurse and left a message because the onc didn't mention if I should stay home for a few days until they bounce back. I am supposed to work tomorrow morning. I work for Weight Watchers and tomorrow I work a two meetings- back to back (around 200 members will be coming through the doors between 7AM and 10AM and I will be weighing and talking to at least 60 of them. I keep Purell on my desk. I cannot find a substitute and there will be very very long lines if I do not show up. My co-workers will understand, but I want to make sure I make the right decision. Hopefully the nurse will call back soon.
    Catch you all later.
    Viddie (Paula)
  • NOLONGERREADINGORPOSTING
    NOLONGERREADINGORPOSTING Member Posts: 778
    edited February 2007
    Re:Decision to do or not to do Chemo

    I didn't mean to give the impression here that I am giving up. I just went through some very unpleasant experiences here last week--nothing life threatening for sure--but what it made me realize is that I do not have resouces I can rely on in the medical community, either in medical on-call at the oncology office or the emergency room. It seems ridiculous after all the money we pay for health insurance and the salaries these folks make that they cannot provide minimally adequate medical care.

    If my WBC is not pretty high before the next chemo, and if I can't get a different nurse to call when something comes up, I am not sure it is a good idea to take the risk of another infusion. I am going to discuss this with my oncologist.

    They almost act like emergencies are a matter of course in chemo therapy. I don't think they should be.

    That's my thought for the day.

    Mizsissy

    BTW-I had a wonderful on-call nurse who was assigned to me for the first few weeks. But she just quit her job. Why?
  • Brenda_R
    Brenda_R Member Posts: 509
    edited February 2007
    I only checked into this thread when I began my chemo, Jan 24th.
    I'm now a few days away from my second chemo, and my hair is starting to fall out today (16 days post chemo).
    I thought I had made it through the worst, in the first week and half, with the tiredness, nasty taste in my mouth and nothing tastes good. But, just when I was starting to feel better, I got a sore throat, earache, and canker sore in my mouth. I got some anti-biotics from my GP, and just feeling a little better, and now the hair is going.
    Just in time for my next AC treatment, next Wed.
  • ritajean
    ritajean Member Posts: 4,223
    edited February 2007
    Viddie....so glad to see you picture! How neat!
    Isn't it good that we have so many technology oriented ladies on this site? I'm about as inefficient as can be when it comes to technology! Nice photo!
    Rita
  • ritajean
    ritajean Member Posts: 4,223
    edited February 2007
    Brenda...hi neighbor! I've missed you on the Illinois site under Help Me Make it Through Treatments and have been wondering about you because your chemo schedule is just two days before mine. I will have my second treatment one week from today....the 16th. What type of chemo are you taking? I'm doing the CMF IV infusions once every three weeks. I'm just wondering because it is day 14 for me today and I still have no visible signs of hair thinning. All I've had are the four bad days of headaches and nausea immediately following my first treatment. Keep in touch and come back and visit our Illinois thread. We miss you there!

    Rita
  • Rebecca
    Rebecca Member Posts: 971
    edited February 2007
    Mizsissy,

    I think you make an extremely valid point. Your experience highlighted the shortcomings of your support services for sure, and I can certainly see where you would have some trepidation about taking the plunge again given the possible risks.

    Are there any alternatives that you can explore? Other Oncologists etc? I also think that you KNOWING what you are supposed to get (ie the neupogen) can help a great deal, since then you can advocate for yourself and make sure that they give you your needle when you need it come heck or high water. Hang in there...you are so tough!
  • nandy42918
    nandy42918 Member Posts: 37
    edited February 2007
    I have seen several mentions of drinking Ensure to keep up your nutrition level. I love the taste, but it really upsets my digestive system. I am making trips to the bathroom for hours .Anyone else have this problem and is there anything else to try that would help for something HEALTHY to drink . My appetite is not the best.
  • kids123
    kids123 Member Posts: 11
    edited February 2007
    you should try making smoothies. use fresh fruit and ice cream or yogart. it's healthy and goes down easy enough. Good luck, just remember it will get better!
  • kids123
    kids123 Member Posts: 11
    edited February 2007

    He is beautiful, just when you have your wind blown out of you he should be your light at the end of it. Hang in there, we can do it!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited February 2007
    Day 14 was yesterday for me and my hair had to go! My husband cut it very short and then buzzed it late last night. I managed to get through the whole thing without a tear (and I am usually such a crybaby). Anyway, it isn't as bad as I thought it would be, but I have been working and haven't left the house all day. I'm on my way out now to pick up my daughter at daycare. Ugh - I can almost see the germs in that place
  • Brenda_R
    Brenda_R Member Posts: 509
    edited February 2007
    Hi ritajean, and thanks for missing me.
    I haven't felt much like posting lately.

    My first chemo was kind of a fiasco, in a way. It went ok, but I found out that I wasn't supposed to be getting the A/C, and the Herceptin concurrently, like I did.
    I did talk to my Onc's nurse and they are just going to give me the Adriamycin and Cytoxan now, for 3 more treatments, and then the Herceptin.
    It gave me some doubts about my treatment, and especially since I talked to Case Manager (Insurance Co) and told her I never had any type of heart function tests before starting chemo.
    She told me to ask for a MUGA and insist if I need to, to establish a baseline.
    So, all that, coupled with the chemo after effects, have made me a little depressed, I think.
    We'll see if things improve treatment-wise, next Wed.
  • viddie
    viddie Member Posts: 547
    edited February 2007
    Hi all,
    Mizsissy, I know it is frustrating, but please hang in there. Your wbc will most likely be okay since you are getting the neupogen shots. Incompetence is bothersome, but hopefully your nurse now will take charge and treat you better.
    I did some investigating online, and I discovered that Neulasta shots should not be given within 12 days prior to chemotherapy and neupogen shots cannot be given to anyone with osteoporosis (which I have). Since I am supposed to get chemo (assuming my counts are high enough by then) next week, and that is probably why my onc did not order it for me yesterday. It takes around 9 days for Neulasta shots to start working. That makes sense, since your wbc does not get low until days 10-14. I guess my oncologist knew what she was doing, or not doing. Trusting is so hard. We sometimes have no control, so letting go and trusting is not easy. At least I am on antibiotics for the rest of the week to prevent further infection.
    Jan, I also had my hair buzzed yesterday. I am getting used to it now, although I only see it in the morning and at night, switchings things to wear. It was a little wierd taking a shower, although it was definitely easier. I went to CVS today with just a turban, but I only went to drive-up window. I thought the technician took a double-take, but I think it was my paranoia. I am going to venture out to work tomorrow with my wig for the first time. Hopefully it will be uneventful.
    How is everyone doing today?
    Viddie (Paula)
  • ritajean
    ritajean Member Posts: 4,223
    edited February 2007
    Oh my gosh Brenda, I can see why you'd be depressed. You were getting a double whammy!!!!

    I hope they finally have it all straightened out now. If so, I think you'll probably do O.K. on Wednesday. Where are you having your treatments done at?

    I'll be thinking about you this next week. Please check in after your treatment (if not before) and tell us how you are doing. Hang in there. You've have a rough start but I think it will get better for you.

    Rita
  • robertin
    robertin Member Posts: 78
    edited February 2007
    Hey Brenda, my next chemo is on Tuesday and yesterday I woke up with a sore throat, an earache and a runny nose. I used time release vitamin C, 1000 mg every 5 hours. It helped and I feel much better today, although, that cough has been with me ever since my first chemo. Maybe I do have that chemo cough.
    My head is itching a lot. I think it's about to let go of my hair. When I'm all the way bald, I'll update my avitar. I'm fighting and I'm winning. Right?
  • ritajean
    ritajean Member Posts: 4,223
    edited February 2007
    Robertin.........you are so right! You are fighting and you are winning! Sometimes we just get a little battered during the fight but the victory is alway sweet.

    Rita
  • viddie
    viddie Member Posts: 547
    edited February 2007
    Brenda,
    Sorry about your fiasco. I would talk to your Oncologist and/or change oncologists. That was a major error. I wrote previously about trust, but before I saw your post. There are times they are wrong, and we have to be our own advocates. Shame on them giving you A/C with Herceptin. And yes, you should definitely get a MUGA scan to monitor your heart. At least now you are on the right path. Have a nice night. You deserve it.
  • skyedivine
    skyedivine Member Posts: 839
    edited February 2007
    Nandy, I got the ok to drink Slimfast Optima as a snack or when I don't feel I can eat anything else, as long as it isn't used for regular meal replacements. It tastes pretty good and is very thick and creamy. Also makes a good car snack.

    Viddie I went out in my wig for the first time yesterday and no one seemed to notice, but knitted or velour hats are more comfortable and I don't feel self-conscious wearing those around. Right now stores are dumping the last of their winter goods and I've been able to pick up a bunch for a couple of bucks each.
    Thanks for all the kind comments on the tiara, everyone. I do believe we each should have one. Try googling tiara and you will be amazed how many online companies sell them in all price ranges.- Skye
  • Mena
    Mena Member Posts: 426
    edited February 2007

    Just popping by to say hello and thank you all for being so wonderful to my buddy, Mzsissy...she thinks very highly of all of you and your support is paramount to her...From what I've heard, you're all smart, positive, kind, loving, generous, supportive, funny, fun...I could go on...but I don't want to sound too nice, or others will think I'm losing my edge...stay united and stay well...Mena...xo

  • nandy42918
    nandy42918 Member Posts: 37
    edited February 2007

    Hello everyone! I have been a follower of this site for about 1 month now. I haven't participated much, but I am amazed at the concern and kindness that you have for each other. I had my first A/C tx on 1/29, and will have the second on 2/19. I will have 4 treatments. Still have my hair, but figure about 3-4 more days. Why does that seem to be the worst thing?? Everyone says that once it comes out it really is not that hard to deal with. I never became sick, but I did take my meds. The worst was the headaches amd the awful taste in my mouth. I have no appetite and have to make myself eat. I know the next few tx will be worse for side effects, but I really feel I can do this. Thanks so much to all of you for your support----nandy---hugs to all of you !!!

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