Progesterone Questions

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vampeyes
vampeyes Member Posts: 1,227

I am curious what being progesterone positive means. I read it can feed the cancer and I have read that it can help fight it. So basically what's the deal with PR. Thanks for reading.

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  • Meow13
    Meow13 Member Posts: 4,859
    edited September 2018

    I think what you have seen are studies that find the presence of progestrone receptors seems to put the brakes on estrogen feed cancers essentially making them less aggressive. There are ongoing studies on how the dna is being changed. Evidence points to a progesterone role in outcome.

  • vampeyes
    vampeyes Member Posts: 1,227
    edited September 2018

    I guess my curiosity came from my being on progesterone pills at one time and then a cream, making me wonder if that was part of the reason for the cancer.

  • Moderators
    Moderators Member Posts: 25,912
    edited September 2018

    Hi ladies! Here's an article from our main site where you can learn more on How to Read Hormone Receptor Test Results.

    Hope this helps!

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  • vampeyes
    vampeyes Member Posts: 1,227
    edited September 2018

    Thanks Mods! You guys are the awesome.

  • Staceybee
    Staceybee Member Posts: 72
    edited September 2018

    The question about the role of progesterone is one that I have as well. For ER+, the anti-estrogen drug is prescribed - tamoxifen or AI. But does that address the progesterone receptivity as well? Is progesterone a good thing that we don't want to suppress?

    I have seen studies that show that the intensity of ER+/PR+ correlates, along with other factors that you would expect like Ki67 and grade, to the oncotype scores. So a lower intensity of PR+ correlates to a higher oncotype. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC52668...

    Still, not clear to me if manipulating progesterone is part of the anti-hormonal treatments or if it is just measured as a prognostic factor. Will ask next time I see the MO -- will be first time since I started the drug.

  • vampeyes
    vampeyes Member Posts: 1,227
    edited September 2018

    Staceybee please let me know what you find out.

  • Meow13
    Meow13 Member Posts: 4,859
    edited September 2018

    I ran accross an Australian study where they are finding the presence of progestrone actually helpful to keep the estrogen receptors from behaving badly I see if I can find it.

    The bottom line is they think adding progesterone to tamoxifen can lessen the dangerous aggressive behavior.

    This isn't the Australian study but explains more

    https://thetruthaboutcancer.com/progesterone-and-b...


  • Meow13
    Meow13 Member Posts: 4,859
    edited September 2018

    I saw pr- is usually poorly differentiated with a high mitotic score. Mine had the lowest mitotic score which apparently unusual for er+ pr- tumors I also fit the ILC/IDC mix one of each.

    I think the anastrozole and exemestane I took helped prevent recurrence.

  • vampeyes
    vampeyes Member Posts: 1,227
    edited September 2018

    Thank you Meow for posting this study. It looks like natural progesterone is good, but the stuff I was using not so much.

    "while natural progesterone has an anticancer effect, synthetic progesterone (found in birth control pills and hormone replacement supplements) does not. For example, research shows that the synthetic version progestin (medroxyprogesterone) is not only linked to breast cancer, but that those cancers tend to be "more aggressive and deadlier.""

    Interesting piece about adding 25 grams of Flaxseed has shown to decrease HER2 expression.

    xxx

  • Lula73
    Lula73 Member Posts: 1,824
    edited September 2018

    Being PR+ is a good thing as the progesterone our bodies make (endogenous progesterone) slows down the ER+ cancers. In fact, high levels of bio identical progesterone is actually used to treat ER+ cancer in some stage IV patients.

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    It's the man made progesterone that is not favorable in this scenario. When it comes to its action on the progesterone receptor it has the opposite effect and feeds the cancer. This would include progesterone containing HRT, birth control, and most of the progesterone creams. That's why the breast cancer warnings are on their label and usually in a box in bold print and docs won't prescribe it for us BC ladies. The ones that are in the know will prescribe alternatives like Intrarosa and bioidentical progesterone creams to help with the changes to our female parts after oophorectomy/anti-hormonal therapy.

  • SPDGirl
    SPDGirl Member Posts: 132
    edited October 2018

    Are any of you familiar with progesterone serums made from wild yam extract? Would those fall under man made or a favorable progesterone option?

  • WC3
    WC3 Member Posts: 1,540
    edited October 2018

    The role of progesterone/progestins in breast cancer is complex, biphasic, and poorly understood. It has both proliferative and anti proliferative effects on breast cells depending on when it's administered, and in the case of breast cancer, possibly the specific receptor type. Medroxyprogesterone acetate when used, in conjunction with estrogen in the form of post menopausal HRT is implicated in a spike in breast cancer incidents in the late 90s/ early 2000s.

    However medroxyprogesterone acetate has also been used with some success as a treatment for existing breast cancer, particularly before the existence of drugs like Tamoxifen. There is less information on the role of natural progesterone and it's relation to breast cancer. Some studies have found that it does not contribute to an increase in breast cancer risk as medroxyprogesterone does but interest in the effects of natural progesterone and breast cancer are recent.

    While progesterone may slow the proliferation of hormone positive breast cancer via the mechanism proposed in the study others have mentioned, by interefering with the estrogen receptors, any benefit of progesterone might not extend to breast cancers that are hormone receptor positive cancers and also HER2 positive. HER2 receptors are triggered when HER3, HER4, and to some extent, HER1 is triggered and while I have not seen any studies on the effect of progesterone/progestins on HER2 positive breast cancer, progesterone stimulates the production of a compound called amphiregulin, which is a trigger (ligand) for HER1.

    I guess the question would be, does triggering HER2 via HER1 via amphiregulin via progesterone stimulate proliferation more than inhibiting ER via PR via progesterone halts proliferation?

    I don't think anyone has an answer to that right now.

  • Meow13
    Meow13 Member Posts: 4,859
    edited October 2018

    WC3, thanks I hope there is more in the way of research on the er+ pr- cancers.

  • WC3
    WC3 Member Posts: 1,540
    edited October 2018

    Meow13:

    I don't know much about ER+/PR- breast cancer, unfortunately.

    I hope developments in immune therapy make this all irrelevent someday though.

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