Prepectoral recon with no body fat to help out?

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ComeOn2019
ComeOn2019 Member Posts: 17
edited September 2018 in Breast Reconstruction

Hi everyone! There may be an appropriate thread for this already, and if so you can just direct me there. I didn't have luck searching.

I consulted with my PS a couple weeks ago, and during that time he agreed (due to my lack of interest in any sort of muscle alteration/involvement) that he could place TE for a prepectoral recon at the time of my surgery. After that visit, I spoke to a friend who really advised me to think about this and reconsider going behind the muscle.

So now I'm torn, and didn't see any pictures here of prepectoral recon. I don't want large breasts, but I also don't have any measurable amount of fat to take from anywhere to help pad the implant, which was my friend's main concern. MY main concerns with going behind the muscle we’re loss of strength, longer recovery, and animation distortion. Friend’s argument is that his wife has under muscle implants without distortion.. but hers was augmentation and not recon.

I do, of course, plan to ask for pics from the PS when I see him again. Just wondering opinions/experiences here. :)

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  • NotVeryBrave
    NotVeryBrave Member Posts: 1,287
    edited September 2018

    BIG difference between augmentation and reconstruction. I really don't think that you can compare them at all.

    Have you asked your PS about fat grafting? How often do they do that? Do they think they can harvest enough fat if needed?

    I had prepectoral reconstruction. I have not had any fat grafting. My PS would love to do it, but I'm hesitant. It's another surgery and I worry if I'll be happy with the donor area as well as the breast area.

    Soon after the swelling from the surgery went down, I was worried about the rippling. Now - I don't notice much at all. I was able to save my skin and nipples and my scars have faded so everything actually looks pretty good.


  • ComeOn2019
    ComeOn2019 Member Posts: 17
    edited September 2018

    NotVery, thanks for the reply! Yes, a big difference between the two but he was mainly using her as an example of someone who doesn't have loss of strength that is very noticeable.

    I don't have any fat that can be used from anywhere. The only possibility is the small amount that might be needed for nipple recon coming from my inner thighs, but that's about it. Nothing that would go far at all in covering over implants.


  • macb04
    macb04 Member Posts: 1,433
    edited September 2018

    Hi ComeOn2019. I have a Prepectoral Thread, come on over and post. Several women used to be on the thread who were quite slim and athletic.


    Topic: TE/Implant OVER pectoral Can exercise, comfortable &NO RIPPLES!


    Forum: Breast Reconstruction — Is it right for you? Discuss timing and various procedures and techniques.


    https://community.breastcancer.org/forum/44/topics/835911?page=58#idx_1718

  • Yaniza
    Yaniza Member Posts: 140
    edited September 2018

    Hi, I'm three weeks out from a revision surgery from subpectoral to prepectoral. I'm five foot seven and 116 lbs. My plastic surgeon still mentioned fat grafting as a possibility. At the moment I don't see that it's going to be necessary but I could still be swollen.

    My dual plane subpectoral reconstruction was aesthetically a success as long as I didn't flex my chest muscles in any way but more importantly I lost upper body strength.

  • VegGal
    VegGal Member Posts: 507
    edited September 2018

    Unless you are extremely emaciated, there is fat. My BMI was 19 and I had two generous rounds of fat grafting. 


  • DebAL
    DebAL Member Posts: 877
    edited September 2018

    hi everyone! I'm 5 weeks post pre pec exchange and fat grafting. Headed to my post op appt this afternoon. I'm 5'5 about 125#. I wont lie the first 10 days were pretty rough. PS made it clear I didn't have alot of fat and it would be tough to get but he managed to get what he needed for this first round. He chooses to take very little from the lower belly in case there is a problem with the implants down the road and we need a plan B. So that really only left my upper belly and mainly my flanks and boy did I bruise. If I need or choose to have a second round it will come from inner thigh. I'm please with the look so far but it is a little strange. They both look good but they don't "match" just yet. I'm sure it takes awhile for things to settle. I'm still getting used to them...or they are getting used to me. Hope everyone is doing well!

  • wanderweg
    wanderweg Member Posts: 549
    edited September 2018

    I had reconstruction (prepectoral gummy bear implants with alloderm) with fat grafting and my surgeon was laughing about how little fat I had to give. She said, "I want you to show me where you have an ounce of fat for me to use." I showed her a roll of skin on my belly and she said, "Yeah, let me see your thighs." She even told em to eat as much as possible in the two weeks before surgery. I'm a hair under 5'4" and weigh about 100 pounds if that gives you an idea. Ultimately, they took what tiny bit I had in my belly and a little from my inner thighs. She said we might need to do a second round down the road but I'm thinking I might not bother. I will tell you that the sites where they did the liposuction for the fat grafting are still sore a month later. Not terribly but I can feel it. For the first couple of weeks it hurt to sit on anything hard because of my thighs and the puncture site in my belly button really hurt. But it's all getting better and I'm glad to be done.

  • ComeOn2019
    ComeOn2019 Member Posts: 17
    edited September 2018

    I will check out the thread, macb! Thank you. And thanks everyone else, this is just so much information and options to wade through 😕

    To clarify, I know I would have small amounts of fat here and there, but he didn’t seem impressed with them and I would prefer not to mess with areas I already like the look of anyway. I think he could tell that too. Funny how your body suddenly isn’t too shabby anymore when you’re about to have no choice but to change it.

  • Legomaster225
    Legomaster225 Member Posts: 672
    edited September 2018

    I have prepecs andhave not had fat grafting. I am pretty small - 5’5 and currently about 105. I know my PS was generous with the alloderm as he thought getting any fat for a revision would be difficult. I struggled to keep my BMI above 17 during chemo. I have small implants that are the same size as my real breasts were and I don’t really notice any ripples. I had skin/nipple sparing if that matters. These decision should are never easy

  • wanderweg
    wanderweg Member Posts: 549
    edited September 2018

    Comeon - I know what you mean about not wanting to mess with other parts of your body. I was very clear with my PS that I didn’t want them taking fat from my butt

  • ComeOn2019
    ComeOn2019 Member Posts: 17
    edited September 2018

    Wanderweg, amen! I struggle in that dept as is! Haha

  • DebAL
    DebAL Member Posts: 877
    edited September 2018

    hi everyone, it's funny. Pinching that roll of fat on our bellies may seem a lot to us but to the PS it probably only provides a small amount of what they actually need. They actually need more because the fat is filtered first before its placed around the implants.

    Lego you are right these decisions never end. I have a small dent above my left breast. I'm scheduled for 2nd fat grafting in Dec. Not quite sure its worth it to go for round 2. If had had more fat I know I would. After PS looked at my belly and thighs he said again I didn't have a lot. Stressed you will feel like I beat you with a bat again. ( I looked like it the first time...first 10 days were rough) we will decide for sure at Nov appt.

    Not sure about you all but wearing a bra since Feb day and night gets old. PA in the office said it's ok to go without here and there now but just to remember gravity always wins in the end. So today I'm giving my new friends room to breathe since I'm lounging around the house in a cami today. What a long haul this is for everyone. I wish a quick recovery for all!

  • ComeOn2019
    ComeOn2019 Member Posts: 17
    edited September 2018

    DebAL.. with the “gravity wins” comment.. do you think that is more specific to prepectoral implants, or all recomstruction

  • hapa
    hapa Member Posts: 920
    edited September 2018

    My PS told me everybody has enough fat for fat grafting. I'm 5'3" and was about 108lbs at the time.

  • DebAL
    DebAL Member Posts: 877
    edited September 2018

    Come on, I honestly don't know! I would guess if I ran around all the time with no bra that over time I would see changes over the years. I am pre pec. Maybe others that have had their implants in for years will chime in and let us know.

    Hapa, i agree I'm sure most have enough for fat grafting. I do believe the recovery would vary depending on how thin the person is and where they were able to get the fat from. My PS did not hit my lower belly at all. He chooses to leave it for plan B down the road if there are implant issues. Practices certainly vary from PS to PS

  • TrmTab
    TrmTab Member Posts: 832
    edited September 2018

    has anyone had pre-pec that is in the C or D cup range???or is it only an A/B cup option? TT

  • wanderweg
    wanderweg Member Posts: 549
    edited September 2018

    Trmtab -Mine is a C cup. But I have such a small frame that it was only a 400 cc implant to make me a C.

  • TrmTab
    TrmTab Member Posts: 832
    edited September 2018

    Thanks Wander. I am having a revision, and looking at what my options are. Currently have a textured 800, looking to going to 600ish and with exercise have been eyeballing the pre-pec. I am 5'8" 38D frame...so not small ;-)

    TT

  • ComeOn2019
    ComeOn2019 Member Posts: 17
    edited September 2018

    are there many pics/examples of prepec recon on this site? I haven’t had any luck trying to find any but would like some to compare to what my PS shows me.

  • VegGal
    VegGal Member Posts: 507
    edited September 2018

    I have 615 cc Natrelle Inspira SCX pre-pecs. I'm a 34 D. 

  • NotVeryBrave
    NotVeryBrave Member Posts: 1,287
    edited September 2018

    Bra sizes are weird. I went from a 36B (probably should have been a 34C) to now a 32DDD or 32E, depending on brand. Most of the size increase is in the diameter of the implant and not the projection.

    And I wanted to stay about the same ...


  • Yaniza
    Yaniza Member Posts: 140
    edited September 2018

    Hi, I just saw my plastic surgeon yesterday which was 4 weeks post-op from a revision from subpectoral to pre pectoral positioning of implants. I asked him about being thin and not having a lot of fat to work with and he explained that there's always fat to work with. Results of the revision are still settling down. A revision surgery is more complicated than starting out with a prepectoral reconstruction. I'm very happy to have my muscles reattached to my chest wall.

    Size of implants has been brought up as potential issue. I can't speak to that because my implants are relatively small at 325 CC. They are high round smooth mentor. The alloderm seems to be doing a relatively good job of giving me extra cover and smoothing things out.

    My subpectoral reconstruction was aesthetically very good but I wanted the revision to prepectoral because of a loss of upper body strength and animation deformity.

    Good luck, Yaniza

  • star2017
    star2017 Member Posts: 827
    edited September 2018

    you can not compare recon with augmentation.

    I have pre-pec and also didn’t do fat grafting since there wasn’t a lot to give. I see some rippling but it’s not very obvious. For now I’m not planning to do it

  • ComeOn2019
    ComeOn2019 Member Posts: 17
    edited September 2018

    thank you all for your replies! I am excited at the responses here and on the other prepectoral thread. I will admit that it makes me nervous to think of something returning unnoticed because the implant is in front of it. I guess that’s another thing I need to speak with my breast surgeon about..

  • Shoregirl
    Shoregirl Member Posts: 375
    edited September 2018

    Comeon2019, I don't think you need to worry about enough fat to cover the entire implant unless that is what you are seeking. Typically, they only graft fat around the edges and upper pole to soften the look. Before my fg, my implants jutted out abruptly from my chest and I was self concious of it. FG last November, about 30cc per side really helped it look more natural. I am one though that DOES want fat over the entire implant to make them feel warm and softer. Was in the midst of a staged revision to remove my implants and put smaller ones in and fill the difference with fat but my ps stopped par with my insurance. I am in revision limbo for now but I have a consult coming up Oct 3.

    Trmtab, we are of similar build. I am 5' 71/2" and was a 38DD before msx, my current pre-pec 440 Sientra smooth rounds give me about a 38D.

    On the subject of gaining weight for fg, I am confused. My old ps advised me to gain or at least not to lose any before my fg. But I have been researching like crazy and read somewhere that you should go in for fg at your normal weight. Reason being if you gain just for fg, and don't maintain that weight, once you go back to your normal weight the fat shrinks and you're back to square one. Sorry I don't have the link to where I read that but it does make sense to me. I found this thread while searching for threads on revision. Wishing you all the best!!

  • DebAL
    DebAL Member Posts: 877
    edited September 2018

    shoregirl, it's funny you mention gaining weight for fat grafting. I jokingly said that to my PS since I'm going in for a 2nd round of fat grafting in Dec. He said " it doesn't work that way". Seems to support just go in at your normal weight!

  • Yaniza
    Yaniza Member Posts: 140
    edited September 2018

    Your regular body weight is exactly right. I just had this conversation with my plastic surgeon . The number of fat cells you have is number of fat cells you have... so it doesn't take much figuring out to understand that the best weight to do this at is whatever your normal weight is.


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