A bit off topic......sorta.

YATCOMW
YATCOMW Member Posts: 664
edited November 2019 in Stage III Breast Cancer

I know there are people out here that are starting chemo or radiation.....and some are going thru surgeries and the stress of losing ones hair. So I know this isn't anywhere near important as putting up the big fight.....I know in the scheme of things....this is sooooo not important....

but here is my question.....

For those of you that have taken an AI well beyond the five years.......and perhaps in addition had an ooph/hyst........are you finding that you skin is wrinkling way beyond what it normally would? I feel like I have aged 30 years.

Does anyone have a skin product that they think is the bomb when it comes to keeping aging at a distance? I think I have tried everything;(.

I always say I am glad to be still around to complain about it tho;)

Jacqueline

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  • TectonicShift
    TectonicShift Member Posts: 752
    edited March 2020


    OMG the wrinkles! I was moving my mother into her nursing home and one of the staff thought I was the new resident.

    My dermatologist recommended Cerave which is a combo moisturizer and SPF. So I'm avoiding getting too much sun on my face. But alas the wrinkles are still there.

    The worst is the many little lines all around my mouth like I've been a long-time smoker, which I have not. I have never smoked. And it seemed to happen overnight.

    I just tell myself well, at least I'm alive. But it is hard to look in the mirror. I look about 25 years older than I am I think! (And kind of feel it too.)

    My mother always used Oil of Olay and she looks better than I do.

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited June 2018

    Hope you don’t mind a stage IIB answering here - but we have enough similarities that I wanted to answer. I had a hyst/oooh 9 years before diagnosis, when I was 45. I am almost 62 now. I have been on either Femara or Arimidex since mid-2011. Most people don’t guess my age - I think it is partly because I was also diagnosed with skin cancer, at 35, so I have minimized my sun exposure. I get regular hydrating facials with microdermabrasion, use a Vit C serum, and Argan oil based moisturizer. I just had my eyebrows micro-bladed, and the permanent makeup artist mentioned the benefit of doing some needling to stimulate collagen production - the before and afters showed improvement especially across the cheek and jawline where I am seeing some minor sagging and wrinkling.

  • Ausykaren
    Ausykaren Member Posts: 68
    edited June 2018

    Jacqueline,

    I haven't even been taking an Al for a year yet but just wanted to tell you that your photo looks beautiful.

    Karen


  • sugarplum
    sugarplum Member Posts: 318
    edited June 2018

    Right there with you guys - especially the wrinkly mouth! I was curious if it's due to drinking bottled water all day long. And my neck is looking more like a chicken's every day - when I pull it tight I realize how smooth it used to be. I use Oil of Olay serum at night and their facial cleanser twice a day, but haven't been all that careful otherwise with skin products. When I was a kid, I'd get mightily offended if people guessed me to be younger than I was - but now I wonder what age 62 would look like if I still had my ovaries and hadn't been on Arimidex for 11+ years.

    Will follow this thread with interest!

    Julie

  • star2017
    star2017 Member Posts: 827
    edited June 2018

    well, this is upsetting. I too am happy to still be around but I really hate the idea of these side effects. I haven’t started an AI yet.

  • bluepearl
    bluepearl Member Posts: 961
    edited June 2018

    Lack of estrogen has an aging effect naturally.....so it is no surprise that anti-hormonal are aging us. We can't seem to get a break from the effects of cancer, can we! The tinted moisturizer by Nivea is really effective. I put a bit on my hand and some water and put it on and it makes a significant difference...plus it has some sun blocking in it. Doesn't sit in wrinkles like a lot of face makeups do.

  • lkc
    lkc Member Posts: 1,203
    edited July 2018

    Right there with you, Haven't found anything that helps except not looking in the mirror! LOL!

  • Lula73
    Lula73 Member Posts: 1,824
    edited July 2018

    I’m a stage 1A but had ooph and taking AI. I have found a few things that seem to help. Some are old school things I haven’t used in years, some are products I’ve just discovered in my quest, and others were by chance.

    Aging of face: small amount of Noxzema lightly massaged over face, neck, and décolletage before bed (you shouldn’t be able to see it on your skin and don’t rinse). A very very small bit of Vaseline under eyes (amount the size of a pin head). Pur cosmetics green undereye treatment and Clinique Moisture Surge as a daily moisturizer in the morning.

    Aging of hands and body: Cetaphil lotion + massage oil applied 1-2 times a day. So this started as just wanting some scent to the lotion but turns out it has helped with the aging look. The oil is just a lavender or Thai lemongrass scented massage oil from The Body Shop. I buy the Cetaphil in a pump bottle. Ratio of lotion to oil is 1 pump of Cetaphil to 1-2 drops of oil. 2 pumps covers 1 whole leg from hip to toes or tummy and both arms, and hands

    Hope some of this helps!

  • YATCOMW
    YATCOMW Member Posts: 664
    edited July 2018

    I really appreciate the ideas coming here......you know cancer....the gift that keeps on giving......

    I hope others will add....

    I did read that not only is hyaluronic acid good for your face in a cream but also taking it as a supplement helps after 12 weeks so I am trying that right now......I also just added the argan oil. Going to try some of these other suggestions too.....

    I'll say it again...... I am glad to be here to complain about it;)

  • sbelizabeth
    sbelizabeth Member Posts: 2,889
    edited July 2018

    The effects of the sun's rays on our skin is a big damaging and aging factor. Lack of estrogen accelerates it, of course, but protecting skin from the sun should be our first-line anti-wrinkle treatment.

    Sunscreen moisturizer, with a high SPF, every day. I like EltaMD Skincare UV Daily Broad-Spectrum SPF 40. It's a tinted moisturizer and doesn't smell like coconuts or bananas. When I'm riding my bike, I wear strong sunscreen on my arms and hands too. Driving in the car, I wear gloves, long sleeves, and a scarf to cover my chest and neck. The sunshine will come right in those car windows and wreck our skin!

    Check out Coolibar for their sun blocking clothing. I like their gloves, scarves, long-sleeve/high neck swim shirts, and cardigans.

    When I remember "laying out" as a teenager, using baby oil to help with the frying process, and ending my summers with leathery, walnut-hued skin...well, I wish I could give my young, vain self a good talking-to!

  • weesa
    weesa Member Posts: 707
    edited July 2018

    YATCOMW, I'm a fan of my Retin-A prescription. It increases collagen and helps sun damage. I use it every other night in the winter because it tends to be drying. In the summer I have to watch sun exposure because it does make my skin more sun sensitive. So far, no new wrinkles, and my skin tone has evened out. Been using it for years.

    Love the energy you bring here! Best regards and admiring you from afar, Weesa

  • kar123
    kar123 Member Posts: 273
    edited July 2018

    Not so much wrinkles, but thinning hair, arthritic knuckles, and weight gain. My mom insists I look younger than I am, but moms have to say that.


  • lauri
    lauri Member Posts: 267
    edited July 2018

    Wish I could blame the thinning hair and crepey skin on anastrozole -- this is year 12 -- but when you START taking AI therapy at 62...

    Just glad it's doing what it's intended to do. And looking old and frail gets me a seat on BART (sometimes)


  • NancyD
    NancyD Member Posts: 3,562
    edited July 2018

    I've been on anastrazole for almost ten years. As a formerly natural redhead (still red, but not naturally), I have stayed out of the sun for several decades. I'm 67 now, but I hadn't noticed any accelerated aging until recently. I've never had crowsfeet—always wore sunglasses even in winter to avoid squinting. Suddently, I have them. And my under eye area has become wrinkled and saggy.

    No wrinkles around the lips, but the sagging of my cheeks and along my jawline is much more pronounced lately.

    I use a CC cream with SPF daily instead of a foundation. Occasionally, I'll pat on some extra moisturizer around my eyes. But that's about it. I'm starting to think about looking for a place that does a good facial, and start going regularly, just because I think the massaging would help the sagging areas. But maybe I'm just getting old :(

  • 7of9
    7of9 Member Posts: 833
    edited July 2018

    Well, I thought my face looked like hell after my recurrence so after radiation gave me terrible capsular contracture, when I had my revision I had a chin lift. Best 7k I ever spent! Got rid of a lot of my jowels though I was only 45 at the time. I'm 46 now. If I make it til 50 I'm going to Italy, and 55...it's full on facelift for me. I worry about how the scars will look if and when I ever lose my hair again but...who cares! :)

  • KCMC
    KCMC Member Posts: 208
    edited July 2018

    I swear by my clarisonic mia2. It is a bit expensive but I got it for mothers day and it is the bomb! I ordered it from QVC - best price, and it came with Tatcha cleansing oil. I no longer use soap on my face. I also use Mad Hippie Products. Vitamin C Serum and their face cream with peptides and antioxidants.

    https://www.qvc.com/Clarisonic-Mia2-Sonic-Cleansin...

    https://www.madhippie.com/products/face-cream



  • sbelizabeth
    sbelizabeth Member Posts: 2,889
    edited July 2018

    KCMC, based on your recommendation, I bought a Clarisonic Mia during yesterday's Amazon Prime Day.

    By this time next week I better look like a young, dewy-faced version of myself!

  • WC3
    WC3 Member Posts: 1,540
    edited July 2018

    YATCOMW:

    Your post reminds me of an article I once read about a woman who went to Afghanistan and Pakistan to volunteer in refugee camps during their war with Russia. She said that despite the extreme hardships these women faced, many of them would take her face in their hands and ask her what she used on her skin to keep it looking so nice. And remember, these are women who kept their face covered in public. It's ok to want to look nice.

  • sbelizabeth
    sbelizabeth Member Posts: 2,889
    edited July 2018

    Well said, WC3.

  • KCMC
    KCMC Member Posts: 208
    edited July 2018

    Elizabeth:


    I use a cleansing oil to was my face. It is called Tatcha. It is a bit expensive $40 a bottle but it last approximately 5 months. One pump is enough. Look up the reviews. It leaves my skin super soft. Once you put the oil on your face and wet your Clarisonic the oil turns milky. Definitely worth looking into

  • YATCOMW
    YATCOMW Member Posts: 664
    edited July 2018

    Okay......going to buy the Clarisonic.....have thought about it for years but wasn't sure of the benefit. Like sbellizabeth......I am hoping I will look 23 by the end of the month;)

    I was talking to my plastic surgeon last week. He told me that he had asked a woman what she used on her face because it was beautiful and she said an oil. I asked him what oil? He said he wasn't sure.....so going to add the Tatcha oil cleanser with my argan oil.

    Thanking everyone who has posted to date.......

    Jacqueline



  • KCMC
    KCMC Member Posts: 208
    edited July 2018

    Jacqueline:

    Look on QVC, I was able to get a good price for my mia2 clarisonic. The link is:

    https://www.qvc.com/Clarisonic-Mia2-Sonic-Cleansin...

    The tatcha cleansing oil comes free with it, a large one and the price is $123. I also purchased a travel bag that came with a sensitive brush on overstock.com for $10.99. The link is:

    https://www.overstock.com/Health-Beauty/Clarisonic...




  • sbelizabeth
    sbelizabeth Member Posts: 2,889
    edited July 2018

    Has anyone tried Korean skin care products? I've read they're the bomb. Costco has a full-size product sampler for $149 and I've read it's a smoking deal, but I can buy a lot of Neutrogena for $149.

    OK, this thread is just fun.

  • YATCOMW
    YATCOMW Member Posts: 664
    edited July 2018

    KCMC......thanks for the tip.....that seems the best way to go....

    Weesa.....going to ask my plastic surgeon for a prescription for rentin-A. I was on it many many years ago and just didn't stick with it.

    Kar123.... I feel ya......thinning hair, arthritis in knuckles and weight gain......me too.

    Sbelizabeth......I have tried Laniege....like their old sleeping mask.....it was both hydrating & helps you sleep through the night due to the lavender I think that is in it. Always slept well when I had it on. I grew up as a VP for a major retailer.......everyone I worked with used Shiseido (not Korean & not cheap)......I didn't stick with this either (after cancer) but I can tell you those coworkers that did have beautiful skin in their 50-60s.

    Thanks for all the tips!!!!!


  • NancyD
    NancyD Member Posts: 3,562
    edited July 2018

    sbelizabeth, I recently read an article (actually more like an ad) that touted Korean cosmetics. According to the ad, Korean products only use natural ingredients, no man-made chemicals, that are targeted for specific areas of your face. I don't know if that's true—I haven't tried them, but the article was written from the perspective of a caucasian woman who asked a Korean acquaintance what she used, as her friend looked decades younger than her actual age.

    I do think a lot of it is genetics, but good skin care certainly doesn't hurt.

  • beth1965
    beth1965 Member Posts: 455
    edited August 2018

    Hi YATCOMW I HAVENT BEEN ON HERE IN AGES MAKES ME SMILE TO SEE WE ARE BOTH STILL KICKIN- oop caps - with our similar dx. Great question I am reading every single idea and suggestion as I am finding same thing.

  • LillyDuff
    LillyDuff Member Posts: 73
    edited December 2018

    So, is Hyaluronic Acid safe to use or not? I'm still confused.

    I use it topically as a serum on my face only and see it in loads of skin care products. I do not take it as a supplement or injection. It has helped to reduce dry skin and fine wrinkles dramatically in my case, but if it can cause a recurrence, then will discontinue use. Does anyone know the answer here? Would like to know both answers topical skin use and oral supplements. Thanks in advance. Scary stuff as I'm just reading this now and have slathered the stuff on for the past year and a half!

  • Egads007
    Egads007 Member Posts: 1,603
    edited December 2018

    Lilly - Hyaluronic acid naturally occurs in our joint and connective tissue. High markers of naturally occurring HA in the body has been correlated to to cancer cell growth and tumours, so it’s not recommended for internal use via oral route or by injections...especially those on anti-hormone meds. Used topically however is considered safe as it doesn’t pass into the bloodstream. I checked with my MO and was given the green light on using it....whew, because like you I’ve been using it for years successfully...awesome stuff!

    As a side note, if you’re using face products with collagen don’t let the cosmetic industry fool you with promises of it being a fountain of youth. Like hyaluronic acid, collagen doesn’t penetrate the skin...it simply sits on top and adds a bit of moisture. Taken via powder however, collagen is a powerhouse. I’ve seen a vast difference in my skin (all of it! Think vag atrophy relief) hair and nails. Completely safe to take internally too. Can’t recommend it enough for a part of any skin care regime

  • LillyDuff
    LillyDuff Member Posts: 73
    edited December 2018

    Egads007-Thank you. Your post sounds correct. I also questioned whether or not HA was an issue topically since it does not enter the bloodstream. I'll double check with my MO as well next time. Will also check out collagen now to add to my routine. Thank you again for your response!

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