2018 Running Thread

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  • ReadyAbout
    ReadyAbout Member Posts: 211
    edited June 2018

    FWIW, when it comes to workouts, I have lived in Athleta zip up bras. I found it online on sale and bought it, then liked it so much I bought several more. I have tissue expanders in, so my foobs aren't as heavy as my boobs were, but this bra provides good coverage and support for the foobs. Supposedly I won't need this kind of support after the exchange, but we'll see. Also, I've had high hamstring tendinopathy for 1.5 years and finally went to an orthopedist last week. She's doing an ultrasound on Monday. I figured as long as I had crushed my deductible and still don't feel like running, I might as well get this looked at. She thinks it's partially torn. ): If it's not one thing, it's another!

  • out_and_about
    out_and_about Member Posts: 47
    edited July 2018

    I missed the past few days of running, but not because of treatment, but because we bought a house. My family is all connected on a Garmin app and we do a monthly challenge for miles. My sister always wins, and I am often neck and neck with my mom. I was ahead of her this month even though I started chemo. But at the end of the month, she suddenly pulled out a bunch of long (for her) runs and pulled ahead! At first it wasn't by much, and I was thinking I'd come home and crank out an easy mile or two today so I could beat her. But I checked the app and she is up by 5! Nope! Not doing that in this heat wave after 2 full days of painting. I concede.

  • ChasSuz
    ChasSuz Member Posts: 7
    edited July 2018

    Hi All, I just had surgery 11 days ago-- left mastectomy with immediate implant reconstruction, 4/27 lymph nodes on left, lumpectomy and SNB on right. The plastic surgery resident laughed at me when my first question the next morning, about 16 hours post-6-hour-surgery, was "ballpark on when I can run again?" So..when can I reasonably expect to run again, y'all? I should get my last drain out next Thursday at the latest.

    I just started running 8 years ago at 37, and have run 8 halves and numerous other races. I am a solo family court lawyer and running is my sanity. I was in such great shape (for me) just before this diagnosis and got in even better shape to prepare for surgery. It's maddening!

    Suzanne

  • Runrcrb
    Runrcrb Member Posts: 577
    edited July 2018

    Chassuz,

    I ran too soon after my first surgery and triggered a lot of swelling and lymphadema complications. You just had major surgery and you need to allow time for healing. I started with slow short walks after my mastectomy, working up to four miles in an hour. I started back with a run/walk combo six weeks after mastectomy and five weeks after DIEP.

  • out_and_about
    out_and_about Member Posts: 47
    edited July 2018

    ChasSuz- I didn't have a mastectomy. I had a lumpectomy with sentinel lymph node biopsy followed by re-excision. Much less invasive surgeries. After my first one, I tried to run about a week and a half later. It was too soon. I made it about 3 blocks and knew it was time to stop, but it was so close that I ran home instead of walking. Bad idea! It took a full 3 weeks before I was able to start a few slow short runs with 2 sports bras... then another surgery. That was more minimal, so I think it was about a week after that one that I began to build again, trying to train my body to be ready for chemo. (I also tried to train harder going into surgery). It is frustrating, but I think with mastectomy, the road will be much harder, unfortunately. But keep doing whatever you can for your fitness so you can transition back when you're ready.

    BTW, round 2 of chemo was Thursday. I managed to maintain my goal of cranking out 5 miles that morning. It was rough. It has been oppressively hot and humid here in the northeast. But I did it! And another slow 3 miles yesterday. This round is not hitting me as hard so far (fingers crossed).

  • ReadyAbout
    ReadyAbout Member Posts: 211
    edited July 2018

    ChasSuz, I would tell you what doctors always tell me: follow the pain. If it hurts, stop or slow down. I had lumpectomy and ran a trail race 3 weeks later but I had to hold the wayward boob the last 2 miles. I had a double mastectomy, SNB, & reconstruction 2 months ago, and although I ran 5 weeks later, it was at a slow pace and it wasn't very comfortable because I have tissue expanders. I just had a PRP injection for high hamstring tendinopathy today, so I have to postpone running for several more weeks, but I'm not distraught since running is so uncomfortable for me right now. I do weights, spin class, elliptical, hiking, etc. and that provides sufficient relief of pent up energy. Just remember to listen to your body and follow the pain - this is hard for runners to do, but it beats dealing with complications and setbacks from pushing too hard, too soon. No shiny pink ribbons are awarded for returning to exercising prematurely. Good luck!

  • Piksie
    Piksie Member Posts: 161
    edited July 2018

    I'm so happy to have found this thread! I was just diagnosed with local recurrence yesterday and know that I will have surgery and radiation, but i don't know what it will entail. My mastectomy in Jan '16 was skin-sparing with immediate reconstruction. I had a revision in Oct '16 to "clean up the area around the scar" and gave righty a lift. Then I found a lump two weeks ago, right near the scar. The lump and a lymph node biopsy were positive. Ugh!!!

    I took a long break from fitness for a host of reasons, but got back to it Dec '17. I've been killing it since then and have been completely absorbed in the lifestyle, even getting my kids into trail running and hiking with me. I ran my first Spartan in May and signed up for three more in Oct, Nov, and Dec. Then BAM!!!

    I don't want to spend another two years doing nothing. I haven't even met with my surgeon yet so I have no idea what I'm in for, but I will be watching this thread closely. You all are making it happen! Thank you!

  • Msmithevv
    Msmithevv Member Posts: 1
    edited July 2018

    hoping to get some advice. I start chemo this week and will be training for a marathon in November. I already have clearance from my oncologist to do the training and the race. I tried to plan my treatments so I will have a good day for my long run. Any advice on running during chemo? I have 4 AC and 12 Taxol. The marathon will happen in the middle of treatment

  • bareclaws
    bareclaws Member Posts: 345
    edited July 2018

    Ice your feet and toes well during Taxol treatments. You really need to avoid the neuropathy, even temporary symptoms, to run the marathon.

  • duffyzmom
    duffyzmom Member Posts: 261
    edited July 2018

    Msmithevv- chemo will definitely affect how you handle hydration and nutrition. It sounds like you have good days planned for long runs but it still may change what works for you. 8 years ago I was undergoing chemo for a different cancer and I was able to complete a 10 miler and a half marathon but due to hydration issues dealt with a lot of muscle cramping etc I normally don't experience. Don't be surprised if the normal gels, electrolytes needed to be tweaked a little.


  • TwinkleCat
    TwinkleCat Member Posts: 85
    edited July 2018

    Hi everyone -- I just received my diagnosis this morning: invasive mammary cancer with ductal and lobular features. Still awaiting full pathology for receptors and grading and stuff... MRI scheduled next week, along with appointments with breast surgeon, medical oncologist, and radiation oncologist.

    I am 41, and an avid runner. I am currently registered for a marathon on 12/2 -- and I was planing to begin training this week! Totally not expecting to receive a cancer diagnosis this morning -- my mass was birads 4, and I was expecting to hear that it was benign.

    Anyway -- I will continue with my training plans in the meantime, since I won't know until next week what I am really facing in terms of treatment. I expect a lumpectomy, at minimum... so I know I'll need to adjust my expectations. I know I can always defer my marathon registration, if needed, but I really think that continuing my training will help me mentally.

    Will post update when I have more info -- but first wanted to just reach out and say hi!

  • bareclaws
    bareclaws Member Posts: 345
    edited July 2018

    I was registered and training for a December 2016 marathon when I got the bilateral BC news in November of that year. I immediately downgraded my entry to the half marathon. The event was 11 days after my loading dose of TCHP and I only got about five miles into the race before quitting—the first time that ever happened. I felt like death. Ended up in the hospital a few days later with severe blood count complications. I tried and failed. It happens.

  • ReadyAbout
    ReadyAbout Member Posts: 211
    edited July 2018

    TwinkleCat: Welcome to the group and sorry you are here! This is a wonderful sorority that no one wants to join. Flexibility about training & fitness will be your best friend during the months ahead. Breast cancer treatment, in my experience, is neither a speedy nor linear journey. Your doctors will run a gazillion tests and some test results take several weeks to come back; meanwhile you are in a frustrating holding pattern. Lumpectomy may take you away from running for a few weeks, radiation can wreak havoc on skin and endurance, medications may have side effects, etc. Or you may sail through much of this without any adverse experiences, and I hope you do! Just give yourself some grace and enjoy the things you can do whether it's running or simply coffee with friends. I had a double mastectomy w/reconstruction 8 weeks ago and have done tons of hikes, spin classes, weights, etc. I have been surprised/delighted by how much I've enjoyed all the cross training. I recently got a PRP injection for high hamstring tendinopathy so I can't run for 6-8 more weeks, but it's perfect timing because I had several post-surgery complications and haven't felt well enough to run. Follow your training plan and see where it takes you - good luck!

  • ChelseaSculler
    ChelseaSculler Member Posts: 73
    edited July 2018

    TwinkleCat, definitely start with your training plans—if nothing else, it will help keep you sane during the waiting!

  • moth
    moth Member Posts: 4,800
    edited July 2018

    I just wanted to share this little race video from the European track & field competition . Made me tear up - for everyone... https://twitter.com/DominGo/status/102169363457873...


  • TwinkleCat
    TwinkleCat Member Posts: 85
    edited July 2018

    I went for a walk with my run-besties last night and told them about my diagnosis. And I met with them early this morning for the first run of my marathon training! Yay! This is going to be quite a journey, but so glad I have a good support network, and that I have found this thread with other ladies who understand how important running is to my overall wellbeing!

    Thanks for the video, moth! I ran 4x400 in 8th grade (not as fast as those ladies!!!!).

  • duffyzmom
    duffyzmom Member Posts: 261
    edited July 2018

    Moth- Love that video What a finish!

    I have just one round of TCH left but am only walking right now due to a blood clot that formed. Just wondering if radiation is going to delay my return to running. I'm large breasted so I have a feeling that will factor somewhat into it. I really wanted to do a fall Half but now it's looking doubtful.

  • out_and_about
    out_and_about Member Posts: 47
    edited July 2018

    TwinkleCat, I hope you keep running, I really feel it is helping me. My treatment is far has been lumpectomy with sentinel node biopsy, then re-excision, then chemotherapy, which is TC x4. I had round 3 today. I was diagnosed while I was training with hopes to set a PR in a 5k that was 2 days before my first surgery. I kept training hard, but now I was also training my body for the cancer journey ahead, and to boost my fitness level so that it would not fall as far when I had to take some time off. I feel this helped a lot and am glad I did it. After a few weeks off for the surgeries, I had to try to quickly train to boost my fitness for chemo. Since chemo started, I try to run every other day. The first week, it is really hard, and I might only get 2-3 miles, with some rest breaks. The heat is challenging. But I can still do it! During some of my hardest days, 20-30 minutes post-run is the best I feel all day. In weeks 2 and 3, I gradually build back up to the previous max. I have managed about a 5 mile run the morning of every chemo! It feels so empowering, and I am hoping to run a half marathon with a friend on Oct 7 (need to be a late sign up though, as I have to see how the rest of chemo and the beginning of radiation affect me). It is doable, but is different for everyone of course. Also I believe my TC regimen is one of the easier ones to get through. Regardless, you need to adjust expectations. I am going slower, need to rest or walk breaks even for shorter runs, and the heat/humidity kills me. If I manage to do this half, I will probably have to plan a walk/run with a goal to get through it, not to race it. I don't care though, because I am running through this and it is one thing I am not going to let cancer take away from me.

    Good luck in your training and beating cancer. It sucks to go through this, but you are not alone.

  • TwinkleCat
    TwinkleCat Member Posts: 85
    edited August 2018

    I met with the medical team on Weds, and I now have a better idea of what I'm looking at -- some of it depends on additional testing, though... Based on the MRI from Monday, it looks like I have lymph node involvement -- as well as a mass in my other breast, so I'll need an ultrasound (and possibly biopsy), as well as a PET scan to look for mets. If no mets, then I shouldn't need chemo -- just surgery, radiation, and anti-hormone therapy. I will definitely be getting a mastectomy on the right, and will decide about the left pending the results of genetic testing and further imaging of the left breast. Looks like surgery sometime in September.

    Good news -- my surgeon is TOTALLY supportive of me continuing to run! I told him I was training for a marathon, and he didn't have any concerns!

    I'll scroll back through the thread, but any ladies able to share their experiences running following mastectomy?

  • ReadyAbout
    ReadyAbout Member Posts: 211
    edited August 2018

    TwinkleCat- sounds like you are handling things in stride- atta girl! One question: do you plan to go flat or have reconstruction on the mx side?

  • ChelseaSculler
    ChelseaSculler Member Posts: 73
    edited August 2018

    A pure running question—heart rate monitors. I've been using my phone for GPS/MapMyRun/Strava, and am daydreaming about getting a new HRM. (I use both of them because they never match. I run by feel and the average range is a full 2 minutes. I know I'm not running 7:17's!) It's been ages since I had a functioning HRM, the days of Polar & chest straps. What do you use/recommend?

  • TOSFan18
    TOSFan18 Member Posts: 1
    edited August 2018

    Hi Everyone,

    So grateful to find this thread on this site. So grateful to be alive and encourage others, especially athletes, who fear their sports will be sidelined because of cancer.

    I've now had surgery (uni-mastectomy) (July 11) with no recon because I wanted to get back to my life as quickly as possible at 52. The pathology showed my cancer had a complete response to the neo-adjuvant therapy, and even the 1 lymph node that was malignant in January came out negative. I'm so grateful. Beyond words! The tumor was ILC, Her2+/ER+ and 5.6cm in January (I found it doing a push up) and since the MO couldn't tell me if I was going to live 5 years more or less until "after" surgery, I chose not to spend any more time recovering with expanders, etc, from recon. I am not as self-conscious as others, but totally respect the individual choice on recon. I did do a photo-book with my wonderful photographer/friend to memorialize my right breast - an idea I got visiting a plastic surgeon. We called it "The Creative Mammogram." Totally worth it and gave me time to grieve and let go. :)

    From January - May, like others, I had 6 rounds of tough chemo (Carboplatin, Taxotere) plus the two immunotherapy drugs - herceptin/perjeta but I was still able to walk and indoor-cycle (I have bike rollers at home) throughout the entire process. I have been a triathlete since 2013, so the 21 day chemo schedule felt like a training program. My MO gave me "sustol" which is a newer anti-nausea drug (5-7 day extended release) so that I never needed any other anti-nausea meds. I never got sick to my stomach. Wow. I also received Neulasta, which gave me neck and sternum bone pain (until I took Claritin regularly). Because of that pain, I opted to hold back on running and only walk. Indoor cycling allowed me to keep my legs and cardio in check.

    I was able to walk a full half-marathon 1 month after completing chemo in June. I'm in San Diego, so I opted for the Rock and Roll, and see some others on this board might have been in the race as well. It was my proudest finisher's medal, ev-ah!

    So now I am without 1 breast and am jogging 2 miles on the treadmill without a sports bra and on flat land 2x week. Still able to do cycling and walking. The surgeon took out 4 lymph nodes, so I do worry about lymphadema. My next half is on Aug 19 but I am keeping the distance open. Running 2 miles with 1 breast is not bothersome. But I am watching what the arm does afterward. I am a C cup but there has been little bouncing. I put a big band aid over the left nipple to avoid friction. I do find my right arm is very picky around fabrics. One mesh-shirt that I haven't worn forever works really well during workouts and says, "What have you done to deserve your legs?" I find that so in tune with how my life handled this cancer.

    That's a bit of me and I hope something in here gives others the lift that we all need during these hard challenges. Thank you for reading.


  • TwinkleCat
    TwinkleCat Member Posts: 85
    edited August 2018

    ReadyAbout -- I am planning to do reconstruction, but not until after I finish/heal from radiation.

  • Moderators
    Moderators Member Posts: 25,912
    edited August 2018

    Msmithevv and TOSFan18 - Welcome to BCO! Sorry you had to be here but glad to see that you decided to join. We hope you find the support and information you're looking for here in this wonderful Community!

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  • Runrcrb
    Runrcrb Member Posts: 577
    edited August 2018

    diffyzmom - regarding your radiation and running question. I didn’t run during chemo (walk and swim) and worked back to running during radiation. Didn’t regain my speed prior to the next surgery but handled a half marathon no problem. I stopped beating myself up on the speed and endurance things figuring i have plenty of time to get that back after treatment wraps up.


  • duffyzmom
    duffyzmom Member Posts: 261
    edited August 2018

    Thanks Runrcrb - that's my hope too. Right now I'm just walking because I developed a blood clot due to port but once my port is removed I'm hoping to get back to running.

  • ReadyAbout
    ReadyAbout Member Posts: 211
    edited August 2018

    TwinkleCat: If you are doing a mx, what will they be radiating? Do they want to radiate the lymph nodes? Just curious. I had a bmx because I wasn't a good candidate for radiation, so mastectomy was my only option. Anyway, I'll give you my 2 cents about exercising after mx and hopefully others will weigh in. Not gonna lie, the recovery was really, really hard, even though I have a high pain threshold. It felt like the worst, longest Spartan race ever. The best advice I got is, "No one gets a problem-free recovery." I had several complications (tissue not healing on one side, hematoma in SNB side, axillary cording in SNB arm, infection 7 weeks post-surgery that landed me in hospital, and nerve pain, which was by far the worst part). I really had to advocate for myself and be strong-willed with my PS on several occasions. Anyway, I felt like I'd been hit by a Mack truck the first week - I don't remember much of it. I started hiking 11 days after, went to spin class 3 weeks after, and went running 5 weeks after, started lifting weights again 5-6 weeks after. The tissue expanders do not feel very good when you run - they have hard edges and can dig into tissue, so keep that in mind. My PS said I could start running 2 weeks after surgery, but I laughed when I got to that date because I still felt so lousy. Also, you have two drains coming out each side of your chest and they stay in between 1-3 weeks. They are held in place by sutures, so it feels uncomfortable when the drains move the slightest bit and I personally cannot imagine running with drains in. Hiking yes, and I did stationary bike with drains in, but that was about it. It's also a real hassle to shower with drains. Drains cannot come out until the fluid going into them measures 25ml (I think) or less each day for a few days, and the more you do, the more fluid you create, so it's kind of a Catch-22. Have you sat down and talked with women who have done mastectomy and reconstruction? I "interviewed" two women who had done it and they were very honest about what to expect and I knew it would be hard and it STILL kicked my butt. I apologize if I sound like a Debbie Downer, but I would rather know the reality than be surprised when it hits. I really hope your recovery is smooth and you are able to resume your training quickly! And I hope you get positive news from any tests you are still waiting on!

  • TwinkleCat
    TwinkleCat Member Posts: 85
    edited August 2018

    Thanks, ReadyAbout! I appreciate your honest opinion. Yes, radiation is recommended because of the lymph node involvement, and the MRI findings showed diffuse disease throughout the breast. My surgeon recommended waiting until after radiation to do reconstruction, and I'm inclined to do that.

  • out_and_about
    out_and_about Member Posts: 47
    edited August 2018

    TwinkleCat- Strange, I vaguely remember someone (one of my docs or maybe my genetic counselor) saying that one reason some people choose mastectomy over lumpectomy is because after radiation, they usually can't do reconstruction because of tissue changes, so if they had a recurrence and need mastectomy then, reconstruction would no longer be an option, and they would lose their chance. It gave me pause about my decision for a minute, so that is why I remember.

    Also, regarding the post from ReadyAbout, I didn't have mastectomy, just a lumpectomy with SNB (the lump was close to the nodes, so one incision, and she dug around to get both things from the one hole), and I still couldn't run for about 3 weeks, so, agreed, the idea of trying to run after 2 weeks with a mastectomy seems pretty farfetched.

  • TwinkleCat
    TwinkleCat Member Posts: 85
    edited August 2018

    out_and_about -- from what I've read, you can have reconstruction after radiation, but you have to wait a lot longer.

    But it's looking now like I might not have surgery -- at least not right away? I learned this week that I have bone mets and a small brain met -- I'll be meeting with the radiation oncologist and medical oncologist on Weds and Thurs of this coming week (8/15-16) to discuss the new plan. From what I understand, the new plan will be chemo and radiation (for the brain met), rather than surgery. I think I'd still like mx if the genetic testing comes back positive -- and I'm seeing the surgeon again at the end of the month to biopsy the mass in my other breast, so I'll discuss it with him then, if not sooner. In any case, if I'm having chemo first, I think if I had mx later, they could do reconstruction right away...?

    Anyway -- I'm obviously not as concerned about that aspect anymore! I'm much more concerned about the brain met (this is what has been causing the problems with dizziness and hearing loss that I've been having since the beginning of July -- if you want more details, it's all in the "inner ear" thread under "not diagsosed with recurrence or metastases but concerned," and in "I have breast cancer in my EAR," under "stage IV and metastatic breast cancer only."

    But also wondering if it's OK to keep running with bone mets? I have mets in my arm, clavicle, lower back, and hip. I'm worried about the lower back and hip. I'll be reaching out to my docs on Monday -- in the meantime, I'm going to continue as I have been (I was still running before I knew I had them!) until they tell me not to.

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