We need a new ribbon. Comments welcome.

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Traveltext
Traveltext Member Posts: 2,089
edited July 2018 in Advocacy

Some friends and I are trying to create a symbol for breast cancer that incorporates the ubiquitous pink ribbon, but is more inclusive of Stage IV folks and men.

Comments welcome.


THE BREAST CANCER UNITY RIBBON

1. Acknowledges that it is the number one cancer affecting women.

2. Raises awareness that one percent of all new cases are men.

3. Makes it clear that it is fatal in around 30 percent of all cases.

Let's join together to ensure the world is aware of the breadth of this disease and that Stage IV research funding is priorotised.

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  • Icietla
    Icietla Member Posts: 1,265
    edited July 2018

    That is a great improvement.

    It will work fine for ribbon loop images, but not so well for actual (fabric) ribbon production. I suggest arranging the colors in longitudinal bands, with the black band showing at the inner side of the looped ribbon (showing at the upper side of the loop and at the upper side of either end of the ribbon), and the blue band being between the black and pink bands.

    Let us call it The Breast Cancer Awareness Ribbon. Let us use it as The Breast Cancer Awareness Ribbon. Let us have it come to be widely recognized as The Breast Cancer Awareness Ribbon.

    Even those few very basic facts signified in its design carry more awareness/information than pink ribbon loops have raised.

  • ksusan
    ksusan Member Posts: 4,505
    edited July 2018
  • LoriCA
    LoriCA Member Posts: 923
    edited July 2018

    I like the idea TravelText. Many Stage IVs have started using an upside down ribbon (resembling a noose), but I like the idea of encompassing all of us in one ribbon. lcietla makes a good point about the design.

    One comment is I would NOT call it a Breast Cancer "Awareness" ribbon if the intent is to make Stage IVs feel included and gain their support for the ribbon. Most of us hate that awareness word, awareness campaigns, awareness anything. Awareness isn't the problem, lack of funding for research of Metastatic Breast Cancer is. Please use any word other than awareness.

    Lori

  • LoriCA
    LoriCA Member Posts: 923
    edited July 2018

    Realized that I shouldn't shoot down an idea without proposing one of my own, so I propose calling it the Breast Cancer Solidarity ribbon.

  • DearLife
    DearLife Member Posts: 1,183
    edited July 2018

    I like Solidarity and I like the ribbon. Would like to see the vertical stripe version. Thanks Traveltext.

  • Spookiesmom
    Spookiesmom Member Posts: 9,568
    edited July 2018

    I like it too. Great ideas.

  • Traveltext
    Traveltext Member Posts: 2,089
    edited July 2018

    icietla Agree it won't work as a fabric ribbon, but for now it would only be a digital ribbon. Will try your different design ideas. I think Breast Cancer Solidarity Ribbon is better than Breast Cancer Unity Ribbon and Breast Cancer Awareness Ribbon

    ksusan. Thanks

    LoriCA Yes, I've seen the noose, and not a fan of it but I know where it's coming from. See above re Awareness v Solidarity v Unity. Love your solidarity moniker.

    DearLife Thanks. Agree on solidarity. Will try another version of the design.

    Spookiesmom. Thanks


  • LoriCA
    LoriCA Member Posts: 923
    edited July 2018

    Oh TravelText! I did not see that you had already given it a name, I am so sorry!! Unity works just as well, anything that is better than the A word that makes Stage IV people cringe! I really like the concept of "we're all in this together" in your ribbon, and both words work equally well to convey that concept IMHO.

  • Micmel
    Micmel Member Posts: 9,450
    edited July 2018

    Travel~ you're one of the good guys! Sending hugs and I absolutely think for once a ribbon is beautiful. ~M~

  • Traveltext
    Traveltext Member Posts: 2,089
    edited July 2018

    LoriCA I much prefer solidarity. The A word makes bc guys cringe too, since the pink charities have only managed to get awareness levels that this is a genderless disease up to around 30% after 25 years of banging on.

    Micmel, Thanks for your nice words. Hugs in return.


  • hapa
    hapa Member Posts: 920
    edited July 2018

    I like it. And I just want to throw in that you could easily make this ribbon as it is,you'd just start with the standard pink ribbon, then cut a small piece of blue and small piece of black for the left tail and pin them on stacked on top of each other, with just a bit of blue poking out at the top of the black piece. At least it works in my head I haven't tried it yet.

  • Traveltext
    Traveltext Member Posts: 2,089
    edited July 2018

    Thanks hapa where there’s a will there’s a way 👌🏻

  • hapa
    hapa Member Posts: 920
    edited July 2018

    Can Susan Komen still sue us for copyright if we use mostly pink?

    BTW, I made a prototype using strips of paper and markers at my desk. I think it would be easier to cut and stack pieces than to get someone to make a ribbon with the appropriate horizontal stripes too, though the same kind of thing would work for that - just get a thick pink ribbon and thin blue and black. It would look a little different though with only the pink showing on the top part.

  • Sara536
    Sara536 Member Posts: 7,032
    edited July 2018

    I agree with the need for a new ribbon but I think it should include a lot more blue. Maybe men with bc are only 1%, but 100% of men have to be concerned about it, as well as 100% of their partners and families. Also, wouldn’t emphasizing how small the percent is encourage men to assume “it can’t happen to me”? We’re all in this together. I don't think research on men's bc should necessarily be limited to 1% either. Research benefits would probably apply to more than just men just as men benefit from research that was initially aimed at women. I'm just thinking outloud here. I haven't made an attemt at a different design for a ribbon. Sara


  • Egads007
    Egads007 Member Posts: 1,603
    edited July 2018

    I ditto Sara, the blue should be more prominent. Like the design though...nice work

  • LoriCA
    LoriCA Member Posts: 923
    edited July 2018

    That's a great question hapa. I did some quick research and it appears that the pink ribbon is public domain in most jurisdictions. The Canadian Breast Cancer Foundation did claim ownership as a trademark at one point, but later abandoned it. The Susan G Komen ribbon is a stylized "running ribbon". Since so many causes use ribbons of various color, and just about anyone and everyone makes use of a pink ribbon for marketing purposes, I don't think there is any concern in using a ribbon that includes the color pink. But IANAL (I Am Not A Lawyer).

  • Sara536
    Sara536 Member Posts: 7,032
    edited July 2018

    Yes, it really is a striking design, not to be messed with. Maybe it will prompt inquiries into the meaning of the colors - teachable moments... how about introducing it with a full page ad with the ribbon and an explanation of the colors?

  • Icietla
    Icietla Member Posts: 1,265
    edited July 2018

    Lori, Traveltext, Others -- I did not mean to be insensitive (the A-word). My sincere apology. Somehow I had in mind the failures of the other (ubiquitous) one.

    A Unity symbol, yes -- great idea.

    Traveltext -- Regarding making the blue component more conspicuous -- could you all do some (digital) mockups having longitudinal bands with a broader blue band, and trying its placement between the black and pink parts? and some trying it along one (longitudinal) margin, with black along the opposite margin?

  • Icietla
    Icietla Member Posts: 1,265
    edited July 2018

    10 hours ago Sara536 wrote:

    I agree with the need for a new ribbon but I think it should include a lot more blue. Maybe men with bc are only 1%, but 100% of men have to be concerned about it, as well as 100% of their partners and families. Also, wouldn't emphasizing how small the percent is encourage men to assume "it can't happen to me"? We're all in this together. I don't think research on men's bc should necessarily be limited to 1% either. Research benefits would probably apply to more than just men just as men benefit from research that was initially aimed at women. I'm just thinking outloud here. I haven't made an attemt at a different design for a ribbon. Sara

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    Icietla writes:

    One-third the ribbon width in each of the three colors? How about a (digital) mockup of that, Traveltext?

  • Nel138281
    Nel138281 Member Posts: 2,124
    edited July 2018

    Check out Metavivor - - they have a stage 4 ribbon   On my rear windshield!

  • Lula73
    Lula73 Member Posts: 1,824
    edited July 2018

    what if you did both ends of the ribbon in different colors-one blue and one black- an had the color morph into pink as it went higher along the ribbon? Another idea is to cut an inverted V shape in the ribbon ends that could represent the treatments-surgery (cuts should be self explanatory), the jaggedness/ups and downs of chemo/rads, the jaggedness of emotions and relationships and life overall with the BC diagnosis. Maybe outline it with a thin line of silver or use a silver/silvery pink for the inner side of the ribbon at the loop for the silver lining of figuring out just how strong we really are-it would signify and celebrate the warrior within.

  • Traveltext
    Traveltext Member Posts: 2,089
    edited July 2018

    Thanks for all the suggestions. Also getting feedback from Facebook groups and other bc websites. Will report back.

    Icietla, love the new avatar!


  • Traveltext
    Traveltext Member Posts: 2,089
    edited July 2018

    Thanks for all the feedback. For now, this will be a ribbon aimed at political action, so we've kept it simple.

    Here's an infographic which tries to explain the reasoning behind the ribbon. The aim is to ask the pink charities to be much more inclusive when they get out in Pinktober to raise funds. Basically, we need to get them to do more for Stage IV.

    The blue is one percent of the ribbon. The black is 30 percent. Many people here are in this group. Many pink charities ignore the blue and the black and go for a pink hoopla of fundraising for awareness. Not for guys, but for the gals. This is good, but who isn't aware that women get breast cancer. And why are stage IV folks ignored. Meanwhile stage IV research runs at about 8% of total research funds. This is unfair and needs to change.

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  • LoriCA
    LoriCA Member Posts: 923
    edited July 2018

    Love it TravelText. It's time for breast cancer marketing campaigns to shift their emphasis and I really hope this new ribbon gets good traction in the community. So many people mistakenly believe that breast cancer is 98-99% curable if it's caught early (I was one of them until my DX and I started researching the facts) and it's time they started learning the truth. And it's about time people realize that men have breasts too!

    Are you making this public domain, are we okay with using it in social media, etc?

  • Micmel
    Micmel Member Posts: 9,450
    edited July 2018

    beautiful travel. Thanks for the beautiful symbol for us all together. All Of us. Fighting.

  • Traveltext
    Traveltext Member Posts: 2,089
    edited July 2018

    Yes, it's in the public domain and I will Social Mediamarketing asap.


  • AnimalCrackers
    AnimalCrackers Member Posts: 701
    edited July 2018

    Thanks TravelText. I think the stat that 30% is fatal is going to open a lot of eyes. And I think that percentage is conservative. I happen to be in that 6-10% that is Stage IV from the get go. I am absolutely astonished by how much recurrence there is and how much time can pass before a metastasis rears it ugly head. No one is safe or cured. 10, 15, 20 years from initial diagnosis and bam your life is turned upside down AGAIN and this time those pretty pink ribbons aren’t going to help you.

    THanks again for taking this on!

  • AnimalCrackers
    AnimalCrackers Member Posts: 701
    edited July 2018

    oh I forgot to mention that I find the color yellow hard to read over the ribbon. I’m afraid the point of this ribbon may be lost if the text is not clear and legible. Just my two cents..

  • Traveltext
    Traveltext Member Posts: 2,089
    edited July 2018

    Thanks AC and others. I have an exciting new version created by a BCO member and I will post it here for comment when received.


  • Warrior2018
    Warrior2018 Member Posts: 380
    edited July 2018

    I think the blue should be at the bottom of the right side of the ribbon, so at the bottom of the black portion. If someone was to wear this ribbon, the blue could go unseen or unnoticed. Either that or running throughout the ribbon as mentioned previously, like a thin outline to the entire ribbon. Overall I like that there is more thought being put into what it stands for. But I share in the thinking that enough is enough with “awareness”. Find a cure.


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