Port or Not?
Hello!
I was recently diagnosed with invasive ductal carcinoma grade 3 Her2+.
I will be having 12 weeks of chemotherapy (Taxol) then radiation. All the while also getting Herceptin every 3 weeks. My MO said i did not need a port, but this has csused me a lot of anxiety. The worst partt of my lumpectomy was them inserting an IV. Took them 3 attempts, God love them as they were very apologetic, but it hurt like. *%#!
Has anyone else gone through this without a port?
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I am sorry you are having this silly problem through this ordeal. You need to change the MO. Of course you need port, there are 18 infusions in total. Also taxol is a very light chemo for this type of cancer. I am wondering if you are from the US. The standard of care here for her2 cancer is TCHP or AC followed by Taxol. Either chemo goes with both Herceptin and Perjeta. After chemo, Herceptin now continues along with Perjeta.
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Thank you for your response, although alarming. But I'd rather be better educated. I am in the US. Where are you?
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I don't have a port. 4 AC & 12 Taxols.
Gotta say the chemo treatment nurses are really good at getting IVs started. -
I didn’t have a port and agree with Moth.
Anticipation of what is coming up is always harder for me than the actual event so try not to worry and come here to vent and remember that there are many opinions here but if you don’t trust the MO you are working with you can seek another opinion. All of it is scary so be good to yourself
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I had a port and my tumor was under 2cm. I did TCH and herceptin for a year.I pushed hard get perjeta but my nodes ere clean ans my tumor too small to qualify back then.
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It sounds like you have exactly what I had and are getting exactly the same treatment. I had a port put in. I was given the choice and after some research decided it was the best option for me. I had no trouble with it. I finished the treatments last September and had the port removed after being declared NED. I think it is entirely up to you.
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I had a port. 4 AC and 4 Taxol
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I had a port. 2 Taxotere and cytoxan cycles and 4 Taxotere and Carboplatin herceptin and perjeta cycles. I did not get the port until my 5th chemo treatment, they used pic lines for me at first and each pic line left a scar on my arm/leaked, and once even got infected. I also have possible lymphedema issues so using my arms for pic lines were not probably a good idea to start with. I now have a very hard time getting blood so the port is a really good way to do this. I am glad I got my port. I will be getting my port out in a couple weeks, though.
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No port 4AC followed with 12Taxol infusions. All on one arm. Had a pro of an infusion nurse. Glimmers of light along my way!!
Do what gives you the least anxiety. Port was giving me more.
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I'm doing it without a port. When it came up with my MO, she said she'd like to try it without--that it's just one more surgery, one more scar, and I really liked that attitude. I think two of my five so far have not worked first time, but instead of continuing to repeatedly stick me, they'll call in someone who's really good at IVs. It's always worked first or second time.
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I had a port - actually still do. It was never discussed as a possibility to not have one.
The surgery for placement was under light anesthesia and out patient. It hurt more than I thought it would for a couple of days, but I think some of that was the dressing. It felt much better when I was able to remove that.
With 6 rounds of fairly caustic chemo agents and a whole year of every 3 week infusions - it was a good thing for me. I never had any issues with it. I only had blood draws through it if they were accessing it anyway - seemed like overkill for routine blood tests.
It's still in place because it's a bit of a security blanket. The type I have only has to be flushed every 90 days.
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i had a port for 4 AC and 12 Taxol. still have it...no issues so far. hoping to remove it at the end of the year with oophorectomy....
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i had a port-inserted during my mastectomy. Although only had 4 chemo days I loved having it. Site isn’t sore after use like an IV in the arm or hand always is. Yes, for you two more surgeries ( put it in, take it out). I did use it one trip to the ER due to extreme pain and i will never forget the speed at which that narcotic went to work - pain 10 to 0 in under 60 seconds. Probably not the reason to get a port but...
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I didn't have a port and don't regret not having one. I was to have 12 taxol and 4 AC but was allergic to taxol after third treatment so I have 3 taxol 3 taxotere and 4 AC. The nurses were nervous giving me Adriamycin without a port as it can cause serious burns and the IV's during that part of treatment sucked. Still, a port is not without risk and now I am done and am glad not to have had the extra surgery.
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Hi Shells,
I got a port. They put it in during my sentinel node surgery, so it wasn't an inconvenience for me. I'm on Taxol X 12, followed by 9 months of Herceptin every three weeks. Add in the weekly blood draws, and I just thought it seemed easier. When I go for my labs, I am in and out of the chair in under 5 minutes every time. I don't mind needles, and I have no pain when the access the port. Plus, I like to be able to use both hands/arms while the infusion is going on!
Go with your gut. You're the only one who knows what's right for you.
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very good point about having your hands free. Most likely I will be grading papers, or need to be on computer.
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if you are difficult stick, definitely go with a port. It’s a sure bet every time. And blood can be drawn from it too. 1 stick and done.
If you choose no port, There are various reasons why you can be an easy stick one time and a hard stick another. Two of the most common reasons that you can control are hydration and temperature. Hydration opens up the veins nicely where dehydration can cause them to collapse. Warm extremitieshp dilate the veins whereas cold extremities contract them. Hope this helps!
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I am in upstate NY. I am hormon negative, but her2+. Both, my local mo and the doctor I've seen at Dana Farber for second opinion, recommended TCHP. The alternative was AC+T. Taxol would have been along with H and P. Apparently these two regimes are considered standard of care for hr-/her2+.
Initially I was scheduled for 12 infusions of H alone, but since P was approved for use with early cancer (in Dec 2017), it was added and I now do both, H and P.
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No Port for me. I had AC and Taxotere. My veins are 71 years old and I bruise easily, but I didn't get any bruises during my entire treatment from the needles. I was surprised by that. Also, the needles weren't painful, even during chemo.
I know someone who got a severe infection from her port and ended up with Sepsis. She almost died from Sepsis. She is fine now.
Ports can be risky and annoying, but I understand why some may prefer them.
Meg
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Keep in mind the IV in the arm doesn't tie you down. I'm on my phone, read the newspaper, make myself a cup of tea, . . . . And it's typically not right in the elbow like you'd typically imagine with an IV for surgery. Mine is usually farther down on the arm, between the elbow and the wrist, but well taped down so it doesn't restrict my movement of that arm.
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Nope, i got a port. I've always been a difficult stick in my left arm, but that goes double now that the left is my only option, no thanks to breast cancer. The port was really not a big deal for me. A little uncomfortable and definitely not attractive, but at least I didnt have to go through multiple jabs every time they needed to draw blood, give chemo or give IV fluids
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Good to know. I’m undecided at the moment. I read one post and I make my decision. Then I read another one like Meg’s from above and change my mind again. Lol. I do appreciate hearing everone’s experience. Maybe I will see if we start with IV’s and i don’t like it I can switch to a port? (Another question to jot down!)
Thank you!
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No port for me: Taxol/Herceptin/Perjeta plus the latter two after the chemo (weekly Taxol for four months) was done.
While I was having Taxol, it was sometimes hard for them to find a vein, but once I remembered to push fluids the day before so I was fully hydrated, that made it easier. The IVs were mostly in my wrist, and I didn't lose mobility during the infusion.
Good luck to you! The waiting period is the hardest. And you might be happier with a second opinion.
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Hi Shells, my first ten infusions was done through IV. I kept getting comments from nurses how good my vein was, easy to find. But on my 9th and 10th infusions, the nurses had troubles setting up cannula. A bubble would form in my vein where the nurse put the needle in. Then they had to try a different spot. They had three goes to set up cannula each time.When they ran out spots in between elbow and wrist, they put cannula on inside of my wrist and elbow which was very inconvenient because I had troubles fixing my clothes when using bathroom. The bubbles on my vein would turn into a bruise which was painful to see. I have since known that good hydration may prevent bubbles forming. If you do decide to have IV, make sure the cannula is away from joints. Nurses seem prefer cannula on back of hands. I just told them it hurts there and they had to try other spots. In case of leaking IV , the chemicals may damage joints if cannula is near there. Don't be afraid of calling for nurses if you feel hurt on cannula site during infusion as it could be a sign of IV leaking. Good luck.
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I had my first round of chemo 2 weeks ago with an IV. I liked the idea of a port but not the surgery. I'll just say that I underestimated how many times I'd get stuck...with labs, PETscan, and the chemo I still was hesitant. Until I landed in the infusion room the other day due to dehydration and it took them 4 tries to get a vein to get me relief from the misery of being so dehydrated. I get my port Friday.
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oh man. That’s what I’m afraid of! I feel exactly the same way in that I like the idea of a port, but not the surgery. When I got my lumpectomy the worst part of the whole experience was when they put in the IV.
I finally made up my mind - I’m going with the port. Thank you for your input!
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I didn't get a port when I had AC in late 2015, and my best veins became hard and unusable afterwards. I was such a hard stick when I'd go for CT scans with contrast every few months. Luckily I could have regular blood draws from my hands on my regular visits to my onc. I had to start IV chemo again in late April of this year and had a port put in the day before. The surgery was quick and easy, and it is a dream having it now! 100% better! Not only am I happier, the nurses at the Imaging Center are happier when they see me coming now, too!
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I didn't want a port because I was afraid of the drugs hitting my heart first (especially adriamycin) but that was just something I was personally paranoid about, not any risk I ever read about. But I ended up having to get one after only 2or 3 treatments. My veins just couldn't take it. It became harder and harder to get an IV in with multiple attempts each time. I am really glad I got the port. It really reduced the pain and anxiety and there was no way around it. I still have veins in my am destroyed by the adriamycin. They feel tight whenever I extend my arm all the way out and are visibly indented all along the inside of my arm so it looks weird. I regret not getting the port from the getgo. I am about 6 or 7 weeks out from my last treatment (4 AC, 12 taxol), the port was taken out 3 weeks ago and I feel great
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stubborndog - I had some phlebitis in one of my veins post one of the AC treatments. As you describe, tight and achy when you stretch and you can see them not being quite the same as others. Mine looked like they were stained brown. I started seeing a registered massage therapist soon after this when I started Taxol (as part of my neuropathy prevention plan) and he worked on my arms, including that vein but not really focusing on it, just working all the arm. It made a HUGE difference. The tightness disappeared within weeks & now you can barely see any difference there. I think what happened is that we got scar tissue in those veins and probably it will fade with time but manual massage made it happen much more quickly.
hth
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