Li Fraumeni Syndrome

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Li Fraumeni Syndrome

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  • ForSister
    ForSister Member Posts: 7
    edited June 2018

    Hi,

    My sister (aged 32) is undergoing BC treatment (Left Breast Stage IIA +++), as her mother too had BC (expired at age 38), when my sister got diagnosed with BC, our MO advised us to have a Genetic Testing done for BRCA 1/2 and TP53.

    As per the her Genetic testing report, she has TP53 germline mutation and because of that, MO informed us that she has LFS. We never herd about this LFS and after Genetic Counselling, we got to know that there is no cure for this syndrome. We were informed that she is exposed to not only Breast Cancer but some 5-6 more cancers. This news has shaken us completely (we are yet to disclose it to her, we will do it once she is done with her Chemo).

    Because of LFS doctors have decided not to give her Radiation therapy as she has only 1/16 positive nodes with clear margin and no vascular invasion.

    I am very worried because of this LFS, previously it was 1 cancer now we have 5-6 haunting us all life. I have few questions related to LFS, it would be great if anyone of you can answer to give us some clarity:

    1. We are told that Life Expectancy of LFS patients is 45 years, is it true?

    2. Chances of Second Cancer is around 20%, it is correct?

    3. My sister and her mother didn't had any childhood cancers, does this mean that my sister's daughter (3 years old), if positive of TP53 (which has 50% chance), will be exposed to BC only or she also can have other childhood cancers, even though her mum and grand-mum didn't had any.

    4. What are the chances of my sister developing any other cancer apart from BC. Considering she had this mutation from Childhood and no cancer apart from BC has developed till now.

    5. Will the chances of subsequent cancer decrease or increase with age.

    Thanks in advance for the support.

  • Lula73
    Lula73 Member Posts: 1,824
    edited June 2018

    Here is a link to a great resource that gives information about this mutation as well as screening guidelines for various types of cancers someone with the mutation should follow. From reading this as well as a plethora of peer reviewed articles that get down into the science at a cellular level, it appears that most of the cancers occur earlier than you’d normally see them occur (ex: late 20s to 30s for BC when median age is typically 50s to 60s). They can even occur in childhood , but don’t always. It just increases the risk, not a guarantee.

    Avoiding rads is imperative. This includes X-rays, CT scans, mammos etc. MRI has no rads and is therefore the recommended screening tool for people with this mutation in addition to visualization (ie colonoscopy, dermatological evaluation). Catching any subsequent cancers early is the key. When caught early enough, many of them can be treated with just surgery. Your sister can also take a proactive approach and remove non-essential organs prophylactically (cervix, ovaries, breasts, etc). The link has a great chart near the end that tells you what screening tests are needed and how often. Avoiding known cancer causing agents is also imperative as this mutation means that the cells cannot repair themselves when a DNA sequence chain has an error in it. Cancer causing agents damage DNA, that’s how they cause cancer/increase risk for cancer. Smoking, sun exposure without high SPF sunscreen/sun block, using round up, etc. should be avoided.

    For her daughter, genetic testing is a given even though she is a child and because of this particular mutation. If she tests positive, Early screenings and avoiding known cancer causing agents are key here again.

    How your sister reacts will likely depend a lot on how it’s presented to her. If it’s all doom and gloom and crying then she will see it as a death sentence for herself and if her daughter tests positive for her as well. Depression and guilty feelings will rule. If presented as a simple fact with viable options (you have this particular mutation, it puts you at higher risk for x,y, & z, here’s what to avoid, here’s what we do to catch anything early, here’s some preventative measures we can take to reduce your risk, etc), she’s more likely to have hope. Stress and depression can affect dna negatively so staying in the positive side is important.

    You have to be careful with life expectancy quotes. Often people aren’t tested til it’s too late to do anything, they didn’t keep up with their screenings and it’s too late to do anything. We are in the early years of genetic testing for these mutations and how to combat/prevent the cancers that an individual is at higher risk for (note that those cancers are not guarantees, but rather higher risk than the general population). A lot of the survivorship data is based on patients who found out about the mutation too late and not having enough information on screenings that should be done what to avoid, and follow up options. Think about it, until Angelina Jolie made the news a few short years ago with her prophylactic bmx and oophorectomy, you hardly ever heard of anyone doing it much less advocating for it. And if you were to bring it up to friends/family they’d likely look at you like you’ve lost your marbles. So just keep in mind that numbers like that are not 100% accurate and will evolve over time.

    Direct answers to your questions:

    1) yes and no. See last paragraph above

    2) no, 50% risk of second cancer in next 10 years after initial cancer diagnosis. Again, not a guarantee, just higher risk than someone without the genetic mutation. Also means 50% chance it WON’T happen.

    3) if daughter tests positive, anything can happen. She is her own person with her own unique cells making up her body. Screenings and avoiding cancer causing agents/rads is imperative.

    4) see answer to #2 above and to #5 below

    5) increases with age. Longer exposure to cancer causing agents/environmental factors, more rads from X-rays,etc, and time. The older we get the more errors occur in our dna at the cellular level. Since your sister’s cells lack the ability to repair her risk is higher than someone without the mutation. By the age of 50-80 the odds of developing cancer are no longer in her favor. With regular screening, many can be caught early and often can be taken care of with just surgery at that stage.

    If the rest of you haven’t been tested, you likely need to. Just because her mom had bc does not mean her mom had LFS. And keep in mind that this mutation is not always hereditary. It is one of a handful that can spontaneously occur in an individual. I hope this helps! 🍀

    https://mysupport360.com/tp53-gene-mutations/


  • buttonsmachine
    buttonsmachine Member Posts: 930
    edited June 2018

    I stumbled upon this exact topic last night. I was going over my medical records, and I found something I don't understand: when I was first diagnosed they did expanded panel genetic testing through Counsyl, and I was TP53 negative. A year and a half later we did FoundationOne testing on an actual tumor specimen from my recurrence, and that was TP53 positive.

    So what does this mean? Do I have Li Fraumeni syndrome? Do I not have the mutation, but my cancer does? I read that maybe 1/3 of breast cancers have this mutation, but is that different than having the mutation before you even get cancer?

    My heart goes out to your sister and your family. I was diagnosed at 32 also. I think Lula gives great advice - be proactive about screening and risk reduction. I'm so glad her cancer was found early, and it sounds like her doctors are being thorough. Wishing the best for all of you.

  • lekker
    lekker Member Posts: 594
    edited June 2018

    Buttonsmachine - Foundation One tests your tumor tissue to look for mutations just within your cancer (somatic mutation). TP53 mutations within a cancerous tumor are very very common. Li Fraumeni means that you have a germline mutation that is present in all of your cells - even healthy ones - and can mean that you are at risk of developing multiple cancers throughout your lifetime. If you tested negative on Counsyl you do not have Li Fraumeni

  • buttonsmachine
    buttonsmachine Member Posts: 930
    edited June 2018

    Hi lekker, thank you for that explanation. I had squamous cell carcinoma of my skin when I was 28, and then BC at 32. I attributed the skin cancer to too much sunshine as a child, but when I also got BC I really started to wonder... why two cancers so young? Anyway, thanks again.

  • lekker
    lekker Member Posts: 594
    edited June 2018

    You’re welcome! Generally when genetic counselors are evaluating your personal and familial histories for cancer, they exclude single instances of non-melanoma skin cancers because they are fairly common. If you had many repeated BCCs or SCCs, the genetic counselor would want to know because that can indicate an inherited syndrome.

  • ForSister
    ForSister Member Posts: 7
    edited June 2018

    Hi All,

    Thanks for all your responses, its nice to see support in difficult time.

    I was surfing through some websites to gain information on LFS and got to know that there are few criteria to define presence of LFS:

    Criteria 1 - Classic Li-Fraumeni syndrome (LFS) is defined by presence of all of the following criteria:

    • A proband with a sarcoma diagnosed before age 45 years
    • A first-degree relative with any cancer before age 45 years
    • A first- or second-degree relative with any cancer before age 45 years or a sarcoma at any age

    Criteria 2 -

    • Proband with a tumor belonging to the LFS tumor spectrum (e.g. soft tissue sarcoma, osteosarcoma, brain tumor, pre-menopausal breast cancer, adrenocortical carcinoma, leukemia, lung bronchoalveolar cancer) before age 46 years AND at least one first- or second-degree relative with a LFS tumor (except breast cancer if the proband has breast cancer) before age 56 years or with multiple tumors; OR
    • Proband with multiple tumors (except multiple breast tumors), two of which belong to the LFS tumor spectrum and the first of which occurred before age 46 years; OR
    • Proband with adrenocortical carcinoma or choroid plexus tumor, regardless of family history.

    One of the trials shows that 92%-95% of individuals who tested positive for germline TP53 pathogenic variants met the revised Chompret criteria for LFS (Criteria 1). What about remaining 5-7% who are tested positive of Germine TP53 mutation but don't meet the Chompret Criteria.??

    My sister doesn't meet Criteria 1 & 2, though she is tested positive of Germline TP53 Mutation. Does she has LFS??? In our family history only my sister and her mother had BC and no one else. We don't know whether her mother had TP53 mutation or not as she wasn't tested. My sister's mother has 2 Brothers and they don't have any Cancer nor their kids (total 4 kids).

    We met 2 Genetics doctor:

    Doctor 1 - "She has mutation and this classify LFS criteria though considering family doesn't have Cancer history (only mother had BC and no other 1 or 2 degree relative had cancer), he feels chances of other cancer are less"

    Doctor 2 - "She only has mutation and mere TP53 germline mutation doesn't mean you have LFS. Chompret Criteria needs to be fulfilled (which is not fulfilled in my sister's case) and considering the family history she doesn't feel there is LFS risk."

    We are very confused and don't know which doctor to believe. Does testing positive of TP53 mutation means you have LFS or positive testing needs to be accompanied with fulfillment of Chompret Criteria???

    Mother's brother and their children all are free from Cancer (Brother's age 58 years and Children's age approx. 30-32 years).

  • Lula73
    Lula73 Member Posts: 1,824
    edited June 2018

    I guess the question would be, and what if this is a spontaneous mutation? There would be no family history at all to complete those criteria. She would be the first.

    Just to clarify...did her tumor come back positive for TP53 germline mutation or did her genetic testing blood test come back positive for it? If it was the genetic testing blood test, did the company that ran the test offer any counselling? Mine went through Counsyl and they do offer 1 on 1 genetic counselling as part of their standardpackage.

  • ForSister
    ForSister Member Posts: 7
    edited June 2018

    Hi Lula,

    Thanks for replying. My sister is positive of germline through blood testing. Yes, I agree she can be the first one to have mutation and thus we wont be able to fulfill the criteria. Is this a good news that its not running in hereditary or its the same?

  • Lula73
    Lula73 Member Posts: 1,824
    edited June 2018

    If it’s spontaneous, then it’s good news for siblings, parents, cousins, etc. Not necessarily good news for her or her daughter.

  • ForSister
    ForSister Member Posts: 7
    edited June 2018

    Hi Lula, thanks for the information. She has mutation in variant P.Arg175His exon 5. Is mutation in this variant associated with any specific cancers? Or variant doesn’t matter and risk is same irrespective of variant.

  • Lula73
    Lula73 Member Posts: 1,824
    edited June 2018

    I did a quick search but couldn’t find anything specific for the variant. However. I did find a great resource with online information as well as live people to answer questions that might help. Did the genetic counselors go that in depth or were they just generalizing?

    I guess I’m still trying to figure out too how the family has your sisyer’s results but she doesn’t?

    https://www.lfsassociation.org/what-is-lfs/

  • ForSister
    ForSister Member Posts: 7
    edited June 2018

    Hi Lula, thanks for the reply. As my sister is going though treatment, she doesn't get much time to read about it and we are also telling her slowly about what it means so that she doesn't get panic.

    We are trying to figure out what cancers are associated with her mutation (c.524G>A p.(Arg175His) exon 5), it will help us in some manner.

    Also, we have been told about some study where Metformin (medicine to cure Type II diabetes), has been found to have tumor suppressing effect. Do you have any idea about it?

  • PinkEst
    PinkEst Member Posts: 34
    edited June 2018

    Hi,

    I tested positive for that gene mutation, so I was diagnosed with LFS earlier this year. At first I was a little dumbfounded, but then I realized my chances of developing cancer might have already been met 13 years ago and I choose to focus on the percentage of me NOT having a recurrence or new cancer than the other percentage.

    I have come to the conclusion that life is so short as it is, why would I worry about the what if's and waste the moment at hand?

    I am always wishing my best to all the strong, wonderful ladies here, for great news, great health and a great outlook on life. Enjoy this ride because we only get one go at it.

    Hugs!

  • Lula73
    Lula73 Member Posts: 1,824
    edited June 2018

    on the Metformin...there’s a theory that high insulin levels (often found in overweight/obese individuals who have insulin resistance and/or those with type 2 diabetes) increase tumor cell proliferation. Scientists are looking at various anti-diabetic agents to see if they have a favorable impact on tumor cell proliferation. Metformin is the first med theyve looked at in this capacity. Metformin works by suppressing excess glucose release from the liver and to a lesser extent helps sensitize the cells in the body to the insulin that the body is making. Reducing excess glucose release from the liver lowers the amount of insulin the body makes in response and sensitizing the cells to the insulin increases its cellular uptake so it’s not lingering in the bloodstream. There is a low risk of hypoglycemia (low blood sugar) with it, some people experience a little weight loss, and better blood sugars. They biggest side effects are GI related: nausea, upset stomach, cramping, diarrhea. If you start with the generic and the side effects are miserable, try switching to the name brand as the side effects are less. Or just start out with name brand.

  • ForSister
    ForSister Member Posts: 7
    edited July 2018

    Hi Pink,

    I completely agree with you on the part that one should look at the positive rather than worry about "what if" they have a recurrence/secondary cancer.

    Thanks for the wishes for my sister and wish you the same.

    Hi Lula,

    Thanks for the input on Metformin. We will discuss about it with our MO and see what his views are.

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