Bottle 'o Tamoxifen

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  • Ghionik
    Ghionik Member Posts: 101
    edited April 2018

    Shela, I just refilled my 90 day supply of T and no copay either! When I filled the first 90 day supply back in January it was a $30 copay. I was surprised no out of pocket on this second refill. I haven’t met my insurance max for out of pocket for this year when I refilled it either.

  • Jadalulu
    Jadalulu Member Posts: 57
    edited April 2018

    runor I too have lost weight on Tamoxifen, close to 20 lbs in fact and I started the drug the first week of February. The first thing that everyone says when they see me is “wow your so skinny” and as you said skinny on a 47 year old is not necessarily a good thing! I feel like I look sick, not exactly what I want.The only other side effect that I think may be attributed to the Tamoxifen is possibly muscle spasms in my back which have now started only at night. I have just had my exchange surgery last Wednesday so it could be from that too, not sure.

  • sammi2006
    sammi2006 Member Posts: 74
    edited April 2018

    That would be nice to lose weight. I gained 20lbs the last two months of chemo (thank you decadron). I lost 10lbs of it so far, but I can't seem to lose anymore even through I eat okayish and workout 4-5 days a week. In the beginning of all this after my dr told me I would be bald, constipated or pooping my brains out, exhausted, and nauseous I asked him if I would at least lose weight and he told me most likely I would gain 😕

  • Nash5
    Nash5 Member Posts: 9
    edited April 2018

    I am meeting for the first time on Monday with my oncologist. I have ADH and has a wire excisional biopsy 2 weeks ago with a negative finding of cancer. My BS suggest I start the prescription medicine protocol as a preventative. After reading many, many and many posts I'm now very confused. The side effects sound horrible, especially hair loss which I'm thin to begin with. Does anyone regret starting tamoxifen even after enduring such terrible side effects? Is it worth being miserable for the fear of something that may never happen again? Just trying to figure it all out and make the right decision...

  • lala1
    lala1 Member Posts: 1,147
    edited April 2018

    My MO told me the first day I met him to get my Tamoxifen prescription to be prepared...most of his patients gain an average of 30 pounds in the first year on it. I'm bummed I gained 10 but thrilled it wasn't 30. Now I've been off it for 2 months and haven't lost an ounce. WTF?! I had envisioned it just falling off, literally, like I'd be walking down the street and people would say "Oh, Miss...you've dropped a couple of pounds back here." Seriously? Five year of the Tamoxifen b.s. and it's decided to just stay with me forever?! Not a happy camper. And to top it all off...I had the usual discharge while on it and now that I'm off, the amount has like tripled! I'm like a fat faucet that can't stop dribbling. I'm dry all over except my poor lady garden has flooded. My gyn has sweetly called in a RX for me so crossed fingers that brings me to normal, although with my luck it'll be the opposite and now I'll be sahara dry ALL over my stupid body. And here's another crazy... all my life I've had very fine thin stick straight hair. About 8-9 months into Tamoxifen (keeping in mind I had no chemo or rads) I started to develop curl...not much, just in one spot over one ear. Crazy. My hair dresser was flumoxed. Fast forward 5 years, I get a haircut 6 weeks ago and my hairdresser says "Well darn. I'd really hoped coming off your meds would cause the crazy curl to go away but we'll give it another 6 weeks and see." Fast forward again to today. I go in for a haircut. She wets it and just gasps. My hair springs out and is pretty much curly all over!! What the hell?! I have never had anything like this. Literally in 6 weeks it went from stick straight with one curly spot to curly all over! It's like Tamoxifen said "I didn't mess with you enough while you took me so I'm going to just throw it all at you now! Think I'll ever get past the surprise SEs?

  • ThreeC
    ThreeC Member Posts: 92
    edited April 2018

    Well Ladies I recently shared that my MO's office sign said to find something to laugh about every day! As many of you know, I use this site at times to share my weird humor. Well just a few minutes ago I searched for info on breast cancer and itching. My left breast is driving me 😜 crazy. Soooo I found a thread on this site. Well I'm still laughing....I blame it on Tamoxifen SE's. Some poor person on that thread still has several of the titanium clips from surgery implanted and started having itching every time she put on her blue tooth fit bit. Turns out that titanium is a conductor of blue tooth signals.... Now I want to go on Amazon, order a Fitbit and leave a review that states my new Fitbit works well with my surgically enhanced boobs!!! Off to find some anti-itch cream before I really go off the deep end. Smiles to all!

  • TaRenee
    TaRenee Member Posts: 464
    edited April 2018

    Oh my! Now I need to charge up my Fitbit and see what happens!

    So I’ve lost 5 lbs (from being sick) and I’m UNDER weight according to my doctor. Gain weight, he says. Ummmmmm hello? I’ve been small all my life. I don’t know HOW to gain weight. I eat all the time. A lot. We had hoped the weight loss wouldn’t be permanent, but two weeks later I’m still not gaining. Runor, I swear I was laughing at the butt crack thing (I teach school and the boys ALL drive me crazy with the sagging skinny jeans and the “I’m wearing shorts so you don’t see my underwear”). Today when I got home and changed clothes, I didn’t even have to unbutton the pants. They slid right down. SO of course I’m giggling about what I if that had happened at work. Maybe I should invest in a good belt

  • red332
    red332 Member Posts: 54
    edited April 2018

    ThreeC, thanks for the info re trazodone. I am seeing the oncologist next week and will ask her about it as well.

    Egads, that is crazy re the tamoxifen and polyps. I had a d&c over a decade ago for polyps so I am thinking this might be me soon. I have a gyn appt in about 6 weeks and will ask her about it then.

    Yesterday I saw the integrative oncologist at my hospital (follow-up visit). He recommended magnesium for sleep (also helps with muscle cramps). Specifically the Natural Calm powdered form. He is also recommending DHA (omega 3s) but in vegetarian (algae derived) form rather than fish oil, for inflammation. primarily preventative but also could help with some SEs, i think.

  • VL22
    VL22 Member Posts: 851
    edited April 2018

    Does Tamoxifen make you more sensitive to the sun? I’ve read through the SE’s etc and see nothing, but a few people have (annoyingly) insisted that my beach days will never be the same. Thanks.

  • Dizzybee
    Dizzybee Member Posts: 142
    edited April 2018

    Teachermom, I had a bleed three days after starting tamoxifen. I was 7 years past the menopause so it was a complete shock. Turned out to be a polyp, so I guess it must have been coincidence that it happened then, but it pitched me into biopsies and I was still waiting to start rads, so I was a nervous wreck. But luckily the endometrial biopsies were okay, and the polyp hasn't regrown so far. I have an annual TVUS to check on things.

    I put on about 15-20lbs in the first year of tamoxifen, and I just can't shift it in the way I used to. I'm a veteran yoyo dieter, it goes on easily but I always used to be able to shift it if I stuck to a diet. But now it's stuck round my middle and isn't going anywhere, I never used to put it on round my waist. Hips and thighs, oh yes, but not a spare tyre. So is this the start of male pattern weight distribution...not that my rear shows any signs of shrinkage yet.

  • Dizzybee
    Dizzybee Member Posts: 142
    edited April 2018

    VL22

    Are people getting confused with the side effects of radiation? I haven't heard of tamoxifen causing sunburn, didn't notice any difference last summer.

  • KCMC
    KCMC Member Posts: 208
    edited April 2018

    VL22 your beach days are not over! - I have no problem with Tamoxifen and the sun. I started it almost 4 months ago and sat outside in my hammock on Monday for over a couple of hours in a tank top and shorts it was sunny and 70 degrees. Enjoy the beach!

  • Egads007
    Egads007 Member Posts: 1,603
    edited April 2018

    Red - hope the magnesium helps you as much as it has me! I put off taking it until this year and I’m really peeved at myself that i waited so long. Never slept better in my life! Not sure of the muscle spasms as I pretty much obliterated them by weight training...I’m sure the magnesium is not hurting though. As for inflammation, you could try cutting wheat and grains/legumes out of the diet for a test period of time. I did and it’s insane how good things are...ulcerative colitis, acid reflux, arthritis knee pain GONE. After 9 months my gastro doc said my colon has completely reversed to normal (was a mess). Can’t wait to see the results of the next bone scan!

    Much luck at your gyn appointment, keep us posted

  • Lovinggrouches
    Lovinggrouches Member Posts: 530
    edited April 2018

    I just have to jump in and say I LOVE my squatty potty!! Had constipation issues even with magnesium, senna, and all the other stuff I tried. It really works!!!!

  • Egads007
    Egads007 Member Posts: 1,603
    edited April 2018

    Loving - I had never heard of a squatty potty so I just googled. The whole concept makes great sense. Also looks like it works for tons of people by the reviews....which is a great thing! What I couldn’t get past without breaking into gales of laughter was the following squatty potty ad:

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    Royalty LOL!!!! Wonder if this model comes with a crown and sceptre!!??!

    Sincerely glad it’s so good for you

  • Mucki1991
    Mucki1991 Member Posts: 294
    edited April 2018

    omg that is too funny

  • tlfrank
    tlfrank Member Posts: 199
    edited April 2018

    My dad had colon cancer and suffered from an intestinal blockage - this ingenious device actually worked quite well for him. Their advertisment though is comical....

  • Mucki1991
    Mucki1991 Member Posts: 294
    edited April 2018

    hey did anyone have an increase in energy and have good moods on tamoxifen?


  • Dizzybee
    Dizzybee Member Posts: 142
    edited April 2018

    mucki

    No, sadly not! My energy levels on a good day are the same as ever, but sometimes I struggle to make myself go for a walk or do some gardening. And I had terrible mood swings and anxiety, and take an antidepressant to counter the effects.

    But I think I've got away fairly lightly, compared to many. And I'm definitely grateful for the extra estrogen which gets to the ladybits, thats definitely been a plus.

  • Egads007
    Egads007 Member Posts: 1,603
    edited April 2018

    Mucki - I haven’t had increased energy or good moods since before making mortgage payments LOL! Seriously though, I got the dragged out downer moods to a large degree after starting tamoxifen. Once I got it together with a gym membership and consistently worked out with weights my SEs evaporated. Every once in a while I get a day where it feels like it’s back exhaustion) but that could be from many other things life throws at us. I can’t recommend exercise enough...I feel better than I did in my 20s now.

  • runor
    runor Member Posts: 1,798
    edited April 2018

    Mucki, back in the 70s my mom went on a diet candy. A once a day caramel. She lost weight like crazy. She had the stamina and vigour of 10 men! She got more work done in a day than the average person does in a week! She would just FLY around doing housework, yardwork and ranching. Happy as a clam, getting stuff done. Then it was discovered that having tens of thousands of housewives taking a daily dose of methamphetamine was a bad thing, and the diet candies were pulled off the market. My mom has not been as efficient, happy or skinny since. I believe you are describing the effects of speed, not tamoxifen. Sadly, they are SO not the same.

  • Lovinggrouches
    Lovinggrouches Member Posts: 530
    edited April 2018

    LOL! Love the ad for the squatty potty! My sis in law also uses it since she passes out if she strains for a bowel movement! I get to take a month break from the tamoxifen and I’m excited to see how I feel off of it since I have had FLS for the last few months - What I call feel like SH$$!!! LOL!!!! I have had shortness of breath and chest pain intermittently for the last 2 months. MO is sending me for EKG. Liver enzymes are also approaching 3 times normal. I have to text him and let him know if chest pains get better after being off of it. I increased my aspirin regimen. So excited for a month break!

  • vampeyes
    vampeyes Member Posts: 1,227
    edited April 2018

    hahahaha - Mucki we all wish that were the case.

    Runor now I want to risk that little diet candy! Skinny, energy and happy - OMG I would be in heaven. gimme!!! lolol

    Loving you lucky girl for the break, I do hope all comes back good with the EKG. Your cough, was it all the time? Did your chest feel like you ran a mile (if you are a non runner), the burning feeling when just sitting or lying around?

    Cheryl

  • Lewhy
    Lewhy Member Posts: 54
    edited April 2018

    Good morning everyone, is anyone else having leg cramps at night? Last night I had terrible cramps in my inner thighs! I can only imagine it is from Tamoxifen because I have not done anything differently. I can still feel it this morning, my inner thighs are even sore to touch. Then after finally getting back to sleep I woke up in a pool of sweat, literally soaked the sheets! It's going to be a long day, ugh

  • Cpeachymom
    Cpeachymom Member Posts: 518
    edited April 2018

    Mucki1991- when I first started my Tamoxifen, I felt worlds better than before I found my cancer. My energy was back, the hot flashes hadn’t really kicked in yet. I’m not prone to hormone mood swings or moodiness, so I can’t speak to that. My husband told me when I was pregnant that I’m the only pregnant woman he ever met who was “normal”! And in his family, there’s a LOT of children!

    Then rads came , then pneumonitis, and ruined me for months. Finished steroids in March, I’m JUST starting to get back to normal again. Feeling pretty good though. There are a few threads about doing well on T. It helps that I was never a good sleeper, so the hot flashes waking me up is not that different.

    Good luck, I hope you keep doing well.

  • ThreeC
    ThreeC Member Posts: 92
    edited April 2018

    Runor, I would love to have 1/4 of one of those little carmel candies.

    Lewhy, I've had three days with pain in my thighs and the heel of my left foot. I took Motrin, sprayed with bio-freeze and put my leg up with pillows. Nothing has helped. My thigh is sore to the touch too. To add insult to injury, I had another "Drunken Sailor" bout of dizziness that no amount of liquid helped. I actually felt nauseous with the dizziness. I am really praying for one week with no SE's.

    Egads007, I think I'm going to try your plan & go check out two local gyms. I loved going to my last gym because they had a pool & water aerobics. I felt so much better then. They shut down several years ago and I never found a new place.

  • Egads007
    Egads007 Member Posts: 1,603
    edited April 2018

    ThreeC - I wish my gym had a pool! Let us know how you get along with gym shopping, should be helpful for you!

    Lewhy - YES! I used to watch my feet curl up and once saw my calf muscle literally turn backwards! It took weeks for the pain to subside. Awful! As I keep beating everyone over the head with, exercise has obliterated the legs spasms, specifically weight bearing lunges and squats...killer but works! Worth a shot

  • runor
    runor Member Posts: 1,798
    edited April 2018

    I hear you Egads and Lewhy about the leg cramps. Holy Dinah! First it was the thighs and lately the lower legs, ankles, calves and yup, your foot heads off in some direction that no foot should ever point. I have literally grabbed my foot with both hands and wrestled it like I was trying to control an angry cobra. And then the muscle hurts for weeks, like you were kicked by a horse!


    ThreeC, I would not know a blood clot if one jumped up and bit me, but tamoxifen does put us at risk for clots. So maybe research symptoms of clot and make sure that isn't what might be causing so much ongoing leg pain? A cramp and after pain is one thing but your thigh sore to the touch sounds worthy of some research.

  • shelabela
    shelabela Member Posts: 584
    edited April 2018

    I have a very active job that requires a lot of walking, i think i put on 13000 steps a day, with 10-12 flights of steps added in there. So i get plenty of "exercise" my leg cramps still come and go.

    Has anyone noticed that you bruise easier now? I barely bump into something and get a huge bruise.

    The weather is finally getting nice here. How about where you are?

  • lala1
    lala1 Member Posts: 1,147
    edited April 2018

    shelabela---I get lots of bruising but I'm also on a baby aspirin. I started out daily but had to swap to 3 times a week cause I bruised so easily. My MO says that's just as good. I still bruise but not as bad.

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