Decision between flat and Goldilocks? Help

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Hi , I just was diagnosed with rt breast cancer and need mastectomy. I asked for bilateral. I want symmetry with no reconstruction. I am 56 and it is not worth it to ME to have the surgeries etc. I am a c cup and she offered Goldilocks vs flat . She said it would bridge the gap between the two. Thoughts?

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  • LisaK12
    LisaK12 Member Posts: 107
    edited April 2018

    I know you said you don't want reconstruction, but I just want to make sure you are aware that there is a third option which does not involve multiple surgeries. I am 51 and just had a bilateral mastectomy with immediate, direct-to-implant reconstruction (no tissue expanders). The surgery took about five hours total. I woke up from surgery with implants on both sides, which are almost exactly the same size as what I had before the mastectomy. (I was a large C/small D before -- they removed about 530 ccs of breast tissue from each side and my implants are each 550 ccs). The implants were placed on top of the pectoral muscles (pre-pectorally), not underneath, which makes the recovery much easier. I was in the hospital for two nights. My first night home I took a valium to help me sleep but since then I have only been taking Tylenol and antibiotics -- no other pain meds have been necessary. I have full range of motion in my arms. I wanted to avoid the whole tissue expander process and this was the perfect solution for me, not necessarily for everyone. Not all surgeons will do it though. Just another option to think about.

    Good luck with whatever you decide!

  • mustlovepoodles
    mustlovepoodles Member Posts: 2,825
    edited April 2018

    I had Goldilocks recon and I am decidedly NOT happy with it. I was a full D cup prior to BMX. My PS assured me that I was a good candidate and that she could restore my breasts to a good-looking state, if a slightly smaller size. My chest is actually concave now, with folds of empty skin in place. The only good thing about it is that the scar left a ridge that runs about 20", side-to-side, which helps hold down my bra and prostheses. My chest looks hideous.

    I plan to get DIEP recon in NOLA sometime this fall. I can't live with this look forever.

  • Saved_by_grace
    Saved_by_grace Member Posts: 19
    edited April 2018

    thanks so much! I am so sorry you did not get good results. 😢 I wish you all the best!

  • Saved_by_grace
    Saved_by_grace Member Posts: 19
    edited April 2018

    Lisa , I will check into the Pre pectoral option. It was not presented to me . I wonder if it is because I have cancer in my nipple and they are removing it? Not sure . Thanks so much! 😃

  • Rrobin0200
    Rrobin0200 Member Posts: 433
    edited April 2018

    Like Lisa, I too had a BMX with direct implants (no expanders) pre pectoral. I was a C cup prior to the surgery, and am now still a C. However, they look more uniform now. I love them. Recovery not bad at all.

  • Saved_by_grace
    Saved_by_grace Member Posts: 19
    edited April 2018

    Thank you Robin! I have to have my nipples removed - so not sure if that disqualifies me? Did a PS do this or the regular breast surgeon

  • Sassa
    Sassa Member Posts: 1,588
    edited April 2018

    I had bilateral mastectomies in 2006 and did not want reconstruction. I was gloriously flat for two years and then my thoughts on reconstruction started to change. I was also 56 at the time of the mastectomies.

    I had reconstruction with implants in 2009 and am very glad I did.

    Take your time and don't rush in your decision about reconstruction. Go flat for a while and if you then decide you want reconstruction, you can have it done.

  • Lisey
    Lisey Member Posts: 1,053
    edited April 2018

    I had TEs to stretch out the muscle for implants.  IT SUCKED and felt alien and not at all 'me'.  I am flat and fabulous now and absolutely love it.  I was a DD and all anyone has asked is how much weight I lost and how young I look without the huge boobs.  Being flat is a great option.. I'm completely natural again and have full function of all my muscles. Since this page and forum is for women choosing no reconstruction, I'm going to be real and say that I didn't realize that the PS planned for me to have these mounds I'd never feel weigh on my chest and basically cut my pec muscles in half and stretch them to a balloon.  No thanks.  Flat is a great option if you just want to get back to living.  Plus you can see any recurrence much quicker and so long as your surgeon respects you want to go flat, it looks good.

    I do know of a couple of women who chose Goldilocks.  The pros are it can create slight mounds.  But the fat can be reabsorbed and you are left with just skin.. and it can also necrotize.  Keep in mind that any skin you leave, does increase your chance of a recurrence because the breast fat layer has to be kept to feed the skin.  Here's me with my son, rocking the Flat.


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  • FaithsMama
    FaithsMama Member Posts: 126
    edited April 2018

    Lisey, you look beautiful! I am waiting for my surgeon to call with my surgery date. I am having a unilateral mastectomy. My dr won’t do both breasts if one breast is healthy. I wanted dbl masectomy simply to keep myself symmetrical whether I chose reconstruction or not. My surgeon wants to start the reconstruction during the masectomy. I was all for saving surgeries and having one less. But your post has me thinking perhaps I should just slow down and make these decisions later. The main thing is to treat the cancer.

  • Saved_by_grace
    Saved_by_grace Member Posts: 19
    edited April 2018

    thanks sassa! Good to hear!

  • Saved_by_grace
    Saved_by_grace Member Posts: 19
    edited April 2018

    Lisey wow! You are gorgeous!! Thanks so much for the encouragement! 😊

  • Saved_by_grace
    Saved_by_grace Member Posts: 19
    edited April 2018

    Suite Lisa I am choosing to have BMX. I did not want unilateral and wanted symmetry. My surgeon was fine with removing one prophylactically. I would think the decision should be yours . Good luck to you!

  • LisaK12
    LisaK12 Member Posts: 107
    edited April 2018

    Saved by gr... -- I had to have my nipple removed on the left breast because the DCIS was right behind it, and as part of the prophylactic mastectomy of my right breast I chose to have my right nipple removed as well, for symmetry. They saved as much skin as they could on both breasts. Going in they warned me that (1) I might end up a bit smaller than I was originally, depending on how much skin they had to remove (which was fine with me), and (2) there was a chance they would not be able to go direct to implant and that I might need to have tissue expanders placed instead, and that it would depend on the blood flow to the skin, which they would not be able to measure until mid-surgery after they removed the breast tissue (I did not want tissue expanders). Fortunately for me, the blood flow to the skin was fine, and they did not have to remove that much skin, so I was able to go direct to implants with no expanders. So I woke up from my mastectomy without nipples (as expected), but with silicone breast implants placed pre-pectorally that are about the same size as my breasts were before. I was able to raise my arms above my head immediately after waking up and was in very little pain (of course they had given me painkillers during and after surgery). My pre-surgery clothes still fit me (although they look a little better than they used to because my new breasts sit a little higher than the old ones did), and it's nice to know I don't have to go out and buy a whole bunch of new clothes.

    They can do this surgery with a variety of different incisions. My surgeon decided to use vertical incisions so she could narrow and lift the breasts. Some people have horizontal incisions, or if they are able to save the nipples, some people even have the incisions in the folds underneath the breasts.

    I do not plan to have nipple reconstruction. I don't want more surgeries. To me, life is too short. I knew I needed to have the one surgery (the mastectomy) and decided to get as much as I could from that one without doing any additional surgeries. For now I have ordered silicone nipples through Pink Perfect, and eventually I will have 3-D nipple tattoos by Vinny Myers (they want you to wait about five months post surgery for those). I am not saying that my choice is for everyone! I have great respect for everyone who chooses to go flat. My grandmother did so as well and was very happy with her choice. We all have to make the best choice we can make for ourselves. It's just good to have options.

    Good luck with your decision.

  • Lisey
    Lisey Member Posts: 1,053
    edited April 2018

    SuiteLisa, are you in the US?  You can absolutely demand symmetry.  The choice is yours not your doc.  I would push to be even if that is what you want.  I know that with my DD's, keeping one would NOT be an option for me as it would be very uneven.  If I had been smaller - like an A, I may have wanted to keep one.  Your choice girl, not the docs.  Get aggressive. 

  • Lisey
    Lisey Member Posts: 1,053
    edited April 2018

    Saved By Grace, If you want to see a ton of different body types rocking being flat, I'd suggest joining 'Flat and Fabulous' (the private group) on facebook.  Women post photos and you can see the options and clothing choices and all sorts of Flat ideas.  It's a great site for those who are deciding.  There's also a lot of ladies who have implants and are trying to explant due to 'implant illness' and other adverse issues from reconstruction.  You can ask any questions you want and get a lot of responses.  It's a very active page.

  • Sassa
    Sassa Member Posts: 1,588
    edited April 2018

    I only wish I had small DD size breasts before my breast cancer diagnosis. Massive Matilda and Big Bertha were causing me upper back and neck problems and I was finally treating myself to breast reduction. It was during the preliminary process of mammograms that my breast cancer was found in one breast.

    It was a no brainer to have a mastectomy. Unfortunately, my surgeon would not remove the healthy breast for symmetry. As a result, the body asymmetry left me with an even worse problem with upper back and neck pain.

    I did manage to have a simple mastectomy of the other breast seven months after the first mastectomy.

    It was wonderful being flat. However, as time went on I started to realize being totally flat caused as many problems in finding clothes (don't get me started on mastectomy bras and prostheses) as being over endowed.

    In any case, I did eventually do delayed reconstruction about three years after the first mastectomy. Because I was fully healed from the mastectomies and had fully regain strength and flexibility in my chest muscles, the whole process of tissue expanders and exchange was problem and pain free.

  • Lisey
    Lisey Member Posts: 1,053
    edited April 2018

    Sassa, I completely changed my wardrobe when I went flat...  I think nowadays, there are so many clothing options - especially for those of us who don't wish to wear bras or fakies.  With the new boho style shirts - light, airy with cold shoulders and tiny strappy things.. I could NEVER have worn those with my old bazooka bras.  Now that I'm braless, I'm wearing the cutest tops ever - I look younger and less matronly with the newer style.  Swimtanks as well are great on flat bodies.  Times have changed on styles and I'm happy they have.   I do agree with you that women should wait until they are healed to make a decision.  I certainly didn't when I jumped in with recon and it was a huge mistake.  The only concern is the surgeon 'may' leave all this extra skin if they think you are still deciding and that can lead to numerous issues as well.  

    I personally think Flat pros need to be discussed in doc offices when women are first diagnosed.  I'm happy to see the media starting to highlight going flat, but the medical industry needs to catch up.  

  • Sassa
    Sassa Member Posts: 1,588
    edited April 2018

    Yes, I love wearing all the styles that I couldn't wear for all those years with my iron maiden bras and huge chest. Going braless is great.

  • Snickersmom
    Snickersmom Member Posts: 926
    edited April 2018

    SuiteLisa - that decision of removing one or both breasts should be YOURS, and not your doctor's decision. My surgeon asked and I told him I did not want to have to worry about the other "heathy" breast. He never questioned my decision and said he would do what I wanted. It should absolutely be up to you, not your surgeon or anyone else. It's YOUR body and YOUR decision.

    I went totally flat and absolutely love it. I had to buy all new clothes (awww, what a shame!) but now am good with what's in my closet. Nobody ever even notices that I don't have tatas. And there's nothing better than being cancer-free with the extra added bonus of no confining bra

  • Saved_by_grace
    Saved_by_grace Member Posts: 19
    edited April 2018

    Thanks so very much all of you!!! I do appreciate all the views- doing what is best for each of you and being happy in that decision. Because of the input, I called the nurse at the surgeon office. I asked about pre pectoral implants and she said they were for old ladies !! 😳 hmm , I said well I want to explore all my options before I make a permanent decision. So I am going to see a PS to see what she says and decide between that and flat. So thanks !

  • PerAngusta
    PerAngusta Member Posts: 112
    edited May 2018

    Oh my goodness Lisey....you are so beautiful! With or without the breasts! I honestly feel the same way!! No regrets with my decision to go flat.

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  • Lisey
    Lisey Member Posts: 1,053
    edited May 2018

    PerAngusta... DITTO!  You are rocking the flat.  I'm glad you posted your photo, we need more of us willing to show how stylish and good being flat can look and feel.  My clothing choices increased tenfold and I never have to wear a bra again...  : ) 

  • mustlovepoodles
    mustlovepoodles Member Posts: 2,825
    edited May 2018

    I'd be rocking the flat too, if I looked like y'all. I'm a heavy gal. Without breasts I look like Uncle Festus' homely brother. All tummy, concave chest. Not a look anybody's rocking...

  • Lisey
    Lisey Member Posts: 1,053
    edited May 2018

    HA HA.. Mustlovepoodles... you'd be surprised.  We have some heavier gals who look amazing flat.  I think you're not giving yourself enough credit.  But to be fair, if I had a lot of fat on my hips or tummy, I may have considered autologous tissue transplant just to get the free lipo.

    But still... Think of Pooh Bear.  How can ANYONE say Pooh isn't rocking being flat with a tummy.  Pooh is darling and lovable, not Uncle Festus' Homely Brother.

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  • mustlovepoodles
    mustlovepoodles Member Posts: 2,825
    edited May 2018

    LOL, trust me Lisey. I love Pooh bear and all, but this tummy is not a good look.

  • PerAngusta
    PerAngusta Member Posts: 112
    edited May 2018

    Mustlove......that photo was taken right after I completed chemo....I was 100% bald, no eyelashes and no eyebrows and without the sunglasses, partial wig and hat....Mrs Potato Head ALL THE WAY! Lol "Smoke and mirrors".....an illusion! Lol

    I bet you are gorgeous! Hugs to you!

    P.S. I just took my 13 year old daughter to the movies to see "I Feel Pretty" with Amy Schumer....Amy shows us all what happens when you BELIEVE you look awesome! Fantastic movie...awesome fun, great message and a happy ending! Us, women are sooooo hard on ourselves. With boobs or not! Skinny or not! Tall, short, young, old, glasses, stinky, smart, rich, popular....argh! OUR GIRL- CHECKLISTS ARE JUST WAAAAAAAY TOOOOOO long! Just be comfortable, smile lots, laugh hard and do whatever works for you!

  • SuC
    SuC Member Posts: 55
    edited May 2018

    Flat and fabulous for 4 years now. Never wear prostheses. Do not bother to disguise it any more. Love clothes shopping. Enjoying the gym - no sports bras needed! No extra surgeries. 48 at time of surgeries. I have a great tattoo instead.


  • Lisey
    Lisey Member Posts: 1,053
    edited May 2018

    Ladies, I just wanted to post this article from Oprah.. it highlights the benefits of going flat / vs. reconstruction.  Great article.

    http://www.oprah.com/inspiration/going-flat-why-some-women-reject-breast-reconstruction-surgery

  • Aussie-Cat
    Aussie-Cat Member Posts: 5,168
    edited October 2018

    Lisey, that's a really interesting article. Thanks for posting it.

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