Chemo causing aging
I guess I should be happy to be alive instead of worring about my appearance, but perhaps it's a distraction...
Does anyone else find themselves looking older from chemo? I am 50, but was told I was a young-looking 50, which made me happy since I have a seven yr. old child. Now after only two cycles of ACT, my skin looks like hell. I swear, my face and neck are sagging terribly since I started chemo and I have not lost weight. The skin around my mouth & chin has the texture & appearance of leather. Has anyone else had this happen? Any suggestions? Does chemo destroy collagen? The only good thing is that any traces of adult acne are completely gone, but I'd rather have the acne than the loose jowls and turkey neck.
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JenLee- I hear you! I am 46 and have a 9 and 6 year old. My skin looked great during chemo (killed all that acne causing bacteria), but now I feel greasy yet dry and just blah looking. My husband says he doesn't see it, but I do. I am seriously considering having at least a good peel done or maybe even laser resurfacing- if I can afford it!! Oh, the eyes are looking pretty saggy too!
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I was watching Dr Oz yesterday and he said menopause destroys collagen. He said you need to use retinol in creams or orally to stimulate collagen and plump up the skin.
I have been seeing a beautician and she said my skin is thin and needs more collagen. I am a young 49. I have had various facials and use products at home but there is a treatment called dermal rolling that I am going to do. I had not heard of it before.
This treatment involves the use of a rolling device which, when applied to the skin, pricks and injures it slightly causing new collagen to be produced to heal the skin and consequently thicken it. It also enhances the absorption of face creams.
With regular use at home and at the beauty salon, this technique can significantly reduce wrinkles.
You can google dermal rolling for further information. -
Racy,
Do you think that they'd suggest waiting until after chemo for the dermal rolling?
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jenlee - some of what you are seeing may be temporary effects from chemo. I feel like my skin bounced back decently after chemo was done - about the 6-8 week point. If I had some longer hair I would look much like my avatar pic and I am 55. I started taking Biotin to encourage my hair right a month aftr chemo was done and that may have helped.
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well, i was 49 when diagnosed. i am now 59 and yeah, i think i have aged physically from chemo, rads and arimidex. i guess for me, i just am glad to be alive...doing well....the wrinkles...the side effects from arimidex...rads....chemo...is all a part of my treatment and my survival. there is beauty in working through the side effects of treatment. back in the old days; i am not even sure i would still be NED but i am. so yeah, treatment aged me, but i am thinking "so what"
it is good to aged when you have been diagnosed with cancer* hah
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That's good to hear, Special K. I now have these lines at the corner of my mouth that I never had before this year of treatment. I am about to turn 51- thank goodness!
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jenlee, yes I would wait till after chemo. There is no hurry as this treatment will help whenever you start (assuming you aren't already very old).
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I can't believe how much my face has aged these last eight months since I began chemo therapy for stage 2, HER 2 positive right breast cancer. I had a masectomy in December 2017. Last August 2017, I looked extremely young and pretty for my age with flawless complexion and now, I look like an elderly woman. I don't think there is any hope of reversing the damage to my face. My hair hasn't begun to grow back either. I have had many unhappy and unfortunate situations happen in my life since my diagnosis. Thankfully the treatments were effective, but I have become severely depressed.
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I’m considering some filler....seeing the plastic surgeon in 2 weeks about that and the uglies left under my arms
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Absolutely! I aged immediately during and after chemo. It was so sudden and frightening. I am still declining since the blockers but it is not the rapid aging that chemo caused. It was a ten year decline in the matter of a few months. NEVER would I have thought I would be the type to want PS for vanity but if I had the financial resources I would do. It was all just too sudden and I still have not adjusted to this new face. Likely stress was a factor as well.
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I'm mid-50s, used to be able to pass for 40s, but chemo made me look like I was in my late 60s. It was absolute hell on my skin and my face felt like sandpaper. I couldn't even wear a tinted moisturizer because it turned to a muddy mess. Nothing I tried was any help. A friend recommended Cerave products, they are affordable and can be found in your drugstore, Walmart, Target, etc and apparently known to work on "chemo skin". I was skeptical but I am absolutely amazed. My face looks so much better and friends keep mentioning how "radiant" I look. Even my nurses have been commenting on how good my facial skin looks.
I've been using a thick coat of the Skin Renewing Night Cream on my face and neck before I go to bed and the SPF30 Facial Moisturizing Lotion during the day. Also using their body cream. I had visible results after just a few days. They have a printable $2 coupon on their website and you can use up to 4 at a time (on 4 products). It doesn't solve all of the problems of chemo aging but it's cheap enough that it's worth giving a try!
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The aging was so fast that it was terrifying. I tried chemical peels and expensive facials, dermarolling, dermapen, red light, as well as expensive prescription products of Retina A and Obagi. I also bought a Lift Wand on amazon. What has worked the best for me is to just leave my skin alone. Now I only use a gentle soap and light moisturizer and at night Retina A and again a light moisturizer. I like that Lift Wand and it is suppose to help with wrinkles and sagging but I have not found that though I don't use it regularly, but what I like about it is it gives me a healthy glow and I don't need to wear blush after.
It is hard to find skin care products that does not contain the parables so read labels.
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LoriCA - thanks for tips! Will check them out!
Chemo aging -- I found it gets better as time gets farther out from chemo. I look back on my chemo pictures (6 years ago) and the next couple of years and I looked really rough. But it gets better. My sister also went through chemo. I was looking at her post chemo pictures the other day. She is now 3 years out and looking much younger again.
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I had chemo last year from July through October, and I now have wrinkles around my mouth that weren't there before. I look like a smoker, although I've never touched cigarettes. On the bright side, I used to get breakouts on the sides of my nose from rosacea but those disappeared after about 2 weeks on chemo and haven't returned. Hope they stay away!
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Pingpong, I too immediately got all the wrinkles around my mouth. I look like my grandmother. My poor sister said that and I snapped at her but sadly it s true. Everyone can see the rapid aging and I am embarrassed to see people that have not seen me in a few years. I remember during chemo all my pores were purging. The doctor said all the impurities were being flushed out by the drug and he said during chemo many say their skin never looked better. He was also the same moron who assured me my hair would grow back just as before but it did not and grew back dark, straight and stringy. Then when I complained about how my hair was falling out on arimidex he said "Good, then we know the drugs are working like they should" as he walked out of the room. Talk about putting lipstick on a pig.
It is good to vent her and to know I am not alone. It is just harsh that just when we are at our very lowest we get slammed with this. Aging is inevitable but what a blow it is to lose your face and body all at once.
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Ughh. I tried to talk to my male roommate about this and he didn't get it. I'm 33 and people would've guessed I was still in my 20's. Within a month of starting chemo, the skin around my mouth looks like crepe paper now. I can't believe how badly it's destroyed my skin. I keep it moisturized etc but the skin isn't even dry, it's like it just gave up. I'm really hoping it bounces back eventually.
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hello, I'm new to the forum. I went online and bought Dr Cynthia Bailey's chemo skin care kit. Along with the green tea treatment. It seems to be out of stock frequently so people are buying it. Thought it would be worth a try so I will see i guess. In the past I would be too tired to always take care of my skin but have made it a priority. I also take a hair ,skin , and nail vitamin daily and drink a lot of water. I'm still early on with my chemo treatments but wanted to get a jump start. So far I like the product and my skin looks fine but I am early on. Time will tell i guess.
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JVP, it was the same here. I had fine lines on my forehead and some crows feet which my BF affectionately called smile lines. In 4 1/2 years they have hardly changed but it was the mouth area that was so adversely affected almost immediately. I wonder what that is about? It was and is so bizarre. At least there has not been any more drastic decline and all major damage was seen within the first 6 to 8 months. I initially thought dehydration but that is not it.
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1. vitamin A acid
2. sunscreen
3. collagen supplement
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I believe trauma ages you and I attribute my looking about 10 years older than chronological age to the stress of this "journey". I only had one chemo treatment.
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Jenifer I'm just a few months out of chemo and not yet a month past radiation. I had surgery prior to chemo. I just want to tell you my skin took a hit from chemo, with many of the same issues you discussed, and has bounced back tremendously. I still have a bit of residual redness but it is slowly improving. I think one of the most important things during chemo and after is to use a good sunscreen. Chemo, just like retin A makes skin very photo sensitive so use it everyday. And drink lots of water to flush those chemo drugs from your body.
Another thing that has helped my skin is that I have started back to the gym where I'm working hard to regain my fitness. It may be a little easier for me as I love to work out and being back at the gym is something I embrace as normal. Overall, my energy level is nearly back and physically I feel very well. During chemo I never thought I would bounce back physically so quickly after chemo. I know it's different for everyone. Of course I'm still working through the emotional effects of the past 6 months and in many ways for me that's the harder part.
Anyway, just don't get me started about my hair, that's a different story, lol.
I just want to close by urging you to hold tight to your optimism. The complete story hasn't been written yet. There's a lot to be said for believing it will have a good ending.
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Klvans - thanks for sharing your experience - I start chemo next week and it's good to hear some encouraging news from someone who has been there.
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Good luck to you with your chemo ClareCo. I kept my hands and feet cold during chemo which I think helped me ward off neuropathy. In turn that helped me get back to exercising faster. I used ice socks ordered from Amazon and held on to frozen water bottles for my hands.
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Dermal rolling sounds interesting but I would try it on a very small area first. Pricking tiny holes in your skin if you are in any kind of immune compromised condition could cause infection.
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During chemo (it strains the skin for sure so be patient and gentle with your skin):
Sunscreen-yes yes YES!! everyday & forever, especially important during chemo
Gentle cleanser & moisturizer
After chemo both above and:
A well formulated AHA or BHA exfoliant (depending on skin type), addresses pore size, texture
Retinol (if your skin can tolerate it) works miracles on wrinkles, but takes time and patience.
Vitamin A & C serum, brightens & smooths
A well formulated moisturizer for your skin type
Lots of water
Exercise
Good skincare doesn't have to be expensive...some great products are available at the drugstore!
A wonderful web resource for info on the best skincare/cosmetics with product ratings that I use is Paula Begoun's www.beautypedia.com, there's also a phone app. I'm regularly flipping through product ratings in the store before I fork over hard earned cash for something useless, expensive and skin damaging. It's scary how many products claim to be a miracle worker but are full of alcohol and fragrance (skin killers), and just don't work. The info on the site has brought my skin back from the ravages of treatment and tamoxifen. If you check the site out be sure to read the articles on skincare as well as the ratings...so helpful!
I agree with Klvans, the hair and nails are still an on going battle. My only saviour there has been Biosilk spray in treatment. Now I manage to pull off Little Orphan Annie, great skin shame about the hair LOL!!
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I also aged 10 years during chemo. My weekly Taxol treatments ended mid Februay and just recently my face is showing signs of improvement.
Highly recommend Cetaphil senstive skin facial soap. I also use Clinique's moisturzer and Aveeno or CereVe lotion.
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clareco, I have read this thread and thought I was prepared as I start on April 24th. Now the face issues! Bless all these ladies for the product recommendations. Im on my way to look for Cerave.It looks like you and I start the same week, stay in touch, as we hang on to life as we know it.
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klvans, thanks for your encouraging post and I'm glad your skin bounced back. I am just one treatment in so it's too early to tell for me just how my skin will hold up. Sunscreen is a must. I literally lost half my hair in the shower this morning. Have an appt at 6pm to finish the job. Great way to spend a friday night ugh😕
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First Aid Beauty’s Ultra Repair Cream Intense Hydration cream really kept my skin hydrated for 24 hours after applying it. Started using it during chemo with great success and still use it today, as needed
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I used Dove body wash on my face that had a moisturizer. I also applied the Clinique moisture surge at least 3 to 4 times a day. It really helped keeping my face soft and fresh. I also used baby cream on my body to keep it soft.
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