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Hi all,

I was diagnosed early this year, had a mastectomy and am halfway through my radiation treatments.

I just wanted to share some of my experiences with people in my life in response to my diagnosis. I have heard that people can react in strange ways or avoid you once they learn you have cancer, but some of these things have surprised me. I'm actually kind of amused by some of these responses.

Friend #1: Burst out crying on the phone, blubbering, "I've already lost ONE friend [to cancer]!" My thought: How very sad for YOU! Headphones

Friend #2: Asked why I wasn't having chemo before surgery -- "That's how it's usually done." Did not call me again before, during or after surgery. Months later, called and left the same robotic message she always leaves, "Haven't talked to you for a while, just wondering how you're doing."

Friend #3: Waited months after my message to her about my diagnosis, then called and said my news had "knocked her for a loop." Proceeded to tell me at length about her own medical maladies, until she was interrupted by a more important call and had to hang up. That was that.

Friend #4: Not precisely a friend, but the head of a volunteer organization I have been part of for many years. "I'm sure you'll soon be back working with the kids." No follow-up to check on whether I was living or not, or whatever.

Now, I don't have a lot of social contacts, but there are some people I know who went above and beyond to show their caring.

The members of a library-support group I am part of are amazingly wonderful. One of the women calls me EVERY WEEK to see how I am doing. She brought me a big, beautiful plant and sent me a lovely card. Another wonderful lady had her daughter, a breast cancer survivor, call me. I spoke with her twice, and the talks were very helpful and inspiring. The same lady -- she is in her 80s, btw -- sent me a beautiful card with hand-written affirmations and a small check! Many others in the group, most of them elderly people, sent me cards. Other people, even those I don't know that well, have made sweet gestures. One male friend I haven't seen for years sends me text messages almost every day to see how I'm doing.

So, it's been amusing in some ways, amazing in others. It's all part of the experience no one wants to sign up for, but there are gifts along the way.



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  • moth
    moth Member Posts: 4,800
    edited March 2018

    yup, it seems like when you have these major life altering events, everything shifts - like those kaleidoscope toys. Friends who were friends go away and suddenly new people arrive in your life.

  • Runrcrb
    Runrcrb Member Posts: 577
    edited March 2018

    miranda2060 - I too was amazed by sources of support and the gaps. You seem to have a good attitude about it which as you know is a huge part of your overall feelings. I learned quickly to be grateful for those who leaned in and not to judge or worry about the others.

    PS I too had surgery prior to chemo. 😀


  • miranda2060
    miranda2060 Member Posts: 281
    edited March 2018

    moth, I know what you mean! It's kind of fascinating to see how that works.

    Runrcrb, I'm pretty sure I haven't always been "there" for people with serious life crises, so I can't be too judgmental -- but I can laugh a little about it!

    I'm slated for hormonal therapy too, btw -- how has it been for you?

  • Egads007
    Egads007 Member Posts: 1,603
    edited March 2018

    Hi all! I have a friend that likes to introduce me as follows: “I’d like you to meet Egads007, she had breast cancer”. Not ‘she lives in the area’ or ‘she and I have been friends for years’ or even ‘she’s a terrible bowler but makes a mean chicken salad’....nope just ‘she had breast cancer’ instantly jettisoning me into the pity zone. It’s actually more awkward for the person than me! I swear one of these days I’m going to reply with ‘nice to meet you, I’m also recovering from a nasty yeast infection’...I’ll refrain from shaking the person’s hand....only proper in my books

  • ksusan
    ksusan Member Posts: 4,505
    edited March 2018

    "And you know my friend, Egads007'sFriend. She has diarrhea of the mouth."

  • miranda2060
    miranda2060 Member Posts: 281
    edited March 2018

    Egads007, LOL!!!

  • Lucy55
    Lucy55 Member Posts: 3,044
    edited April 2018

    Egads ..ugh .. unbelievable !!!!

  • wallan
    wallan Member Posts: 1,275
    edited April 2018

    Egad... I like your answer.... LOL that is a great comeback.

    I too had people in my life who I thought were solid before BC and would be there for me, who were not.

    My sister: "I don't know what you are so upset about, it will take a couple of years to kill ya" and that was that. I thought we were best friends. She never called to see how I was and when we talked, it was never mentioned. She did have a prophylactic breast removal in case she got cancer herself after that.

    Good friend: "I am here for you" and never called. Not once. Until later on, she saw me after all the treatments and she said "Wow, you look great. I thought you were bad at me because you never called to see how I was after this happened to me and this happened to me...blah blah blah"

    Another friend as I was going thru AC-T chemo 6 th round out of 8: "I think you are selfish for not coming to my wedding now" which was across the country and planned at the last minute. She never asked -"how are you feeling, how are your treatments" Nothing.

    Then I had others who were wonderful. Like my father who I had been estranged from for years who called me every week to see how I was and even flew out to visit with me during chemo. He kept this up for a few years until himself died of cancer.

    Then an Aunt I hadn't heard from in years who called me every week during chemo to see how I was.

    And mostly, volunteers at the local cancer society who drove me to and from cancer treatments, who sat with me, one lady who actually knit me a cozy blanket and brought it to me. The kindness and compassion from strangers was overwhelming and so meaningful.

    I now know some people just can't handle it no matter how close you were. Its just life.

    wallan


  • miranda2060
    miranda2060 Member Posts: 281
    edited April 2018

    Wallan, it's so true -- the people you expected to be supportive end up being the ones who disappear or, worse, call you selfish. The people you would never have expected to be there for you go above and beyond in their caring.

    It certainly is an educational experience. There was my "good" friend who didn't bother to call for months and months after hearing about my diagnosis and upcoming mastectomy, now saying "Well, I didn't hear from you, so I was wondering." It takes so little to send a card or make a check-in call! Now she's asking all kinds of things like, "What's the difference between chemo and radiation?" (Pretty basic, but I'm also not Google.)

    In my life there's the older lady, also a cancer survivor, who calls me every week without fail. She also visited me carrying a huge plant, and sent cards. I know her from a library support organization I'm a member of, but our worlds are distant. Never fails to check on me and ends every call with "I love you." I can't believe such good people exist.

    Best to focus on them rather than the others. But I admit, there's a certain perverse "pleasure" in describing their behavior.

  • jpBCfree
    jpBCfree Member Posts: 78
    edited April 2018

    Hi. I'm not if this the right forum/conversation, but a friend was just diagnosed with BC and I"m going to send her a care package. My journey was such a blur that I can't remember the details....seem to remember that I appreciated most a nice notebook and pen to take notes @ medical visits, button up PJs and flip flops (for surgery) and a fleece blanket.

    Anyhow, if any of you wise women have any other ideas of what you remember helping u, please post here or message me.

    Thank you!

    jp

  • aterry
    aterry Member Posts: 290
    edited June 2018

    jpBCfree, Thanks for asking the question regarding what is/was helpful. I've thought many times about what was/wasn't helpful. A literate friend loaned me a book to read for each chemo session, she has excellent reading taste so that was good. My daughter gave me a jigsaw puzzle and my son a set of crossword puzzles--these helped keep my mind occupied w/o being too taxing. A friend came to visit a couple of times and each time brought lunch so I didn't have to prepare anything for her. Having help cleaning the house was VERY helpful but that only happened once, lol. If I had it to do over again I'd have gotten my cleaning lady to come back (she stopped after I retired telling me I didn't need her). I did not have enough energy to clean and having a dirty house was depressing. I think a Blue Apron gift card or NYTimes meal kits or Hello Fresh meal kits would be a good gift. I signed up for Blue Apron because I couldn't think through what to buy/fix/eat. My son's mother-in-law loaned me the DVD collection of Upstairs/Downstairs. I loved that!

    Regarding things people say, I didn't like it when I'd talk about brain damage from chemo and people would say, "You seem fine." or "That happens to me, it's just senioritis." The best comment came from a friend who saw me at the nadir of chemo, "You do look wounded, I won't mislead you; but you still look like yourself."

    I'd love to hear more about what has helped others.


  • maxiemama
    maxiemama Member Posts: 10
    edited June 2018

    Friends and my husband and two children wrapped me in their love and light which I completely surrendered to. That carried me through the dark times. Friends sent me funny texts, sweet cards, short phone calls and visits. I was hurt though by someone who I had worked with for many years. I confided in her my diagnosis and plans for a double mastectomy but I said I was being very private about ti to protect my two children who were struggling with my diagnosis. She told her husband and they both told their acquaintances. I found out bc one person approached my son and said she heard his Mom was very sick. What gives a person the right to share such information that will put additional strain on the family. It still boggles my mind. I ended my friendship with her.

  • Dhanno
    Dhanno Member Posts: 104
    edited June 2018

    My GP thought she is doing some big service by counselling me .She started by saying - I hope you do understand how big your diagnosis is .Your 2018 is going to be very tough road with surgery chemo and radiations .

    She thought she did a great job but after her consultation I broke down crying inside my car .That woman was literally making me feel that my cancer journey has begun and now get ready to get into some kind of Nazi concentration camp .

    Really some people are so bad at communication that you end up distancing yourself from them .That is why my home is my cocoon and my husband and two boys are my lifeline .I can cry, laugh, get angry and express myself in whatever way I want with out being judged .


  • Meow13
    Meow13 Member Posts: 4,859
    edited June 2018

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    I received a very nice pink puke bucket aka waste basket and a get well balloon from one of my friends. I must say it makes me laugh. Another coworker I recently spoke with was glad I had not died. That was nice. I felt like I had to reassure him he was not speaking to a ghost on the phone. Not sure I would think any of it was funny if I was struggling.

  • out_and_about
    out_and_about Member Posts: 47
    edited July 2018

    When I was first diagnosed, I tried to explain to my coworker (a healthcare provider!) what it was like to receive the diagnosis but without any details yet...it felt like my future was a big chalkboard and it was being wiped clean, because I didn't even know if I would be around for the future. His reply "Nahhhh! You'll be fine! Don't worry about it!". Later, when I returned to work after my surgery, he said "Man I've really been facing my mortality lately between [something that happened to someone else] and now you! (shaking his head)" ....How hard that must be for you!! (facepalm).

    I had surgery before chemo. Another friend saw me a few weeks after my lumpectomy (before chemo or anything else). He said to me "Wow! You look great! Like before you looked sick, but now you look better." Ummmmm... I was not sick at that point, never had been. What did I look like before???

    I have also had countless friends and family step up in so many ways, making me food, keeping me company, coming to appointments, helping me in so many ways transitioning from an apartment, to temporarily "homeless" (lived with my in-laws for 5 weeks), to buying my first home 2 weeks after chemo #1, and then helping me get that home liveable before chemo #2. There have been many more positive experiences than negatives from others!

  • Puzzlewoman
    Puzzlewoman Member Posts: 171
    edited July 2018

    I have really struggled with this. At first I was full of anxiety about telling anyone or very frightened of the possibility of someone who I didn't know knew coming up to me to ask about it. I worked through this with my therapist, and was able to process this and get to where I felt comfortable making it “public", but just in my circle, not the world.

    So now I really need to talk about it and want people to ask me how I'm doing, if they're praying for me, TELL me they are, whatever, but I feel very lonely because people are just not talkingto me. I didn't have to go through Chemotherapy, so I'm not sure some people understand how this is affecting me. I'm just really struggling with how to explain how lonely I feel without people thinking I'm mad at them, or hurting anyone who really has been there for me as much as they can.

    There are definitely positives, and I try to focus on them, but sometimes I just need to process all of it!


  • couragement
    couragement Member Posts: 114
    edited July 2018

    Dear Puzzlewoman,

    I hear you. Feel free to tell me here what you feel like talking about. I'm listening. I too felt like people did not want to talk about the things I needed to talk about, or if they did, then at that time I didn't. Like the timing was never quite right. Now I am all through everything and my emotions are all over the place. Anger and sadness just sprouting up like weeds! I can well imagine that people really don't know how this is affecting you given that they did not see dramatic physical changes. People really respond when they see someone going through chemo, but when you have your hair and your chest looks fairly normal it is hard for them to grasp the implications of a cancer diagnosis. I liken it to someone going through either a miscarriage or a stillbirth. And in many ways, not just that there are not actual physical manifestations to see, but also a lot of the taboo around talking about things. Like death and dying and spirituality.

    Aren't we lucky to have therapists? My therapist has been a lifeline. I have the most amazing husband I could ask for but I still get lonely for someone to truly understand the power this illness carries in our psyches, and in our bodies. Sometimes I wonder if anyone can truly understand, as we do go through it essentially alone, each having her or his own experience and we do our best to relate to one another, but we are all individuals.

    In a sense I have given up trying to find that perfect connection and understanding around this. I try to find that connection to humanity daily now with whomever I encounter, be it a server at a restaurant, a lab technician, and even in the natural world around me. Yes, friends know my history and more details, and we have our histories through life together, but what I think I am grasping toward is a connection to humanity, life force, and love. I do find it in moments, more and more, and the more I trust my spiritual practice I feel it as well.

    But right here, right now, I smell what you're cookin' as The Rock likes to say :). It can be a lonely road. So just know I walk besides you at this moment, truly. I am thinking of you with much love, much light, and the joy that we have come this far.

    With love and hope.

  • Puzzlewoman
    Puzzlewoman Member Posts: 171
    edited July 2018

    Couragement - thank you so much for your kind response! It is so helpful to hear things like this. I had to cancel my last appt with my therapist as I was dealing with allergic skin reactions to the stickers at the end of radiation. But she has been so helpful and something I have very much needed. I’m finally healing physically so I’ll get an appt with her soon. I found out I think I upset some people by directly telling others and not them, but really I have no obligation to tell anyone, and I did try to tell the people I thought were my close friends and some of them just didn’t give me a chance. I am sending you best wishes ❤️

  • couragement
    couragement Member Posts: 114
    edited July 2018

    Hi Puzzlewoman,

    I hope the allergic reaction is clearing up! And I can only imagine the exhaustion from the radiation. Oh the dreaded "why didn't you tell me" friend when you are so right- you are under no obligation to tell anyone anything, and then they go and make the issue about themselves and not you. When someone does something like that my husband always secretly says "thanks for the information" since he gets to learn more about them as a person. I am sorry you had, or are going, through this with them. Is there anyway you can honestly tell them how that felt? If they are a good friend and person hopefully they will understand and show up for you. If not, then you do have some information and perhaps it can help you not waste your precious energy on their inability to deal with this.

    Sending you best wishes right back!

  • Puzzlewoman
    Puzzlewoman Member Posts: 171
    edited July 2018

    Thanks! I know I cannot control other people, only myself - so if this is how they are going to be I need to move on. One of these people I had problems with before I was diagnosed so oh well. Losing friends that you never thought would do something like that though is really painful, and that’s what I need to process.

    I am healing much better, thanks! Not 100% yet, but I’ll get there! 😊

  • Piksie
    Piksie Member Posts: 161
    edited July 2018

    This is my second time around, so although many people become more emotional/anxious with recurrence, I surprisingly have not. My blood pressure is stable, and I don't have stashes of kleenex in every nook and cranny. Outwardly, I made it through the first one like a breeze. No one saw me cry, no chemo, no radiation, and I was back to work with a smile on my face after both surgeries. This time, I'm sharing more emotion and have told more people than before. Two things are happening: "You'll be fine. You kicked its a$ last time." (I know the intent is to reassure me and show support, but as you likely know, it does no such thing.) And the news is creeping out faster than I can manage it. There are many people who warrant a personal conversation, but I haven't had the chance. They're hearing it second hand and some are getting offended. But like some of you have said, that's not my problem. I have told a few that I am about to get extremely selfish. Until I'm cancer-free, if it doesn't work for me, then it doesn't happen. Don't expect me to call you periodically with an update; if you want to know, ask.

    One of my workout partners at the gym was almost combative this morning that I have confided in another person but not her. So I sat her down and started to share the journey, and she had about 12 seconds of attention span before she was talking with other people. After three "squirrels", I stopped talking. I'm part of some pretty large communities (Single Parent groups, gym, fitness and race training, etc) and I'm considering just throwing it out there to get ahead of the info creep. totally contrary to last time where I shared with people I HAD to, but it was never a public subject. And thankfully, people respected my need for privacy.

    Aside from that, I was constantly humbled by the amount of support I received last time, from the most unlikely sources. A co-worker sent me a "daily giggle" every day for two months last time, and he resumed as soon as he got the news this time. Another co-worker offered to cash in some stocks if my insurance was lacking. (holy cow!!!) Meals until my freezer was overflowing, handyman projects, etc.

    I hope you all are being loved like you deserve! This sh*t is no joke! The people who don't get it, don't get us.

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