Invasive verses noninvasive

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FaithsMama
FaithsMama Member Posts: 126
edited April 2018 in Just Diagnosed

Hi Everybody,

I had two biopsies last week. Both came back positive for breast cancer. The nurse on the phone told me that my cancer is called “Invasive Ductal Carcinoma.” I go in Friday for a consult with a surgeon. My question is, what does the term “invasive” mean? Does that mean it has spread throughout my breast tissue? Question two, if so , does that also mean there is a “noninvasive” version? Question three, if so, does that mean that my stage, or grade will be higher?


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  • bluepearl
    bluepearl Member Posts: 961
    edited April 2018

    Some cancer cells have broken through the breast ducts and has invaded surrounding tissue. Non-invasive means that while there are cancer cells in the tumour, it has NOT broken through the ducts to invade surrounding tissues. It doesn't mean that it has spread throughout your breast but in the spot where there is a tumour. Invasive is any stage from one to 4. Non-invasive means stage 0. So, if you have invasive ductal cancer, its stage (not stage 0) will be determined by several factors..size, node involvement, and grades vary from 1 to 3 depending on what the invasive cells look like under a microscope. You could still have a stage 1 ductal carcinoma in situ (stage 0) with grade 3 characteristics or a stage 4 (metastatic) with grade 1 characteristics. Hormones, whether positive or negative, and Her2+ or - will factor into treatment plans as well. So, you do have a breast cancer that is invading surrounding tissue and further tests will reveal how much and other prognostic factors mentioned. Your stage and grade are to be determined but do not assume they are going to be high. Let us know how you are doing and what has been found. This IS the hardest time you are going through. (((HUGS))))

  • FaithsMama
    FaithsMama Member Posts: 126
    edited April 2018

    Thank you Bluepearl! That helps a lot to have some clarity

    There is so much unknown, now that I now it’s breast cancer. One day at a time.

    How are you doing? Looks like you had the same type?

  • Ingerp
    Ingerp Member Posts: 2,624
    edited April 2018

    I also wanted to stress that "invasive" does not mean "metastasized". I had IDC too but my sentinel lymph node was clear so the cancer is confined to the breast.

  • bluepearl
    bluepearl Member Posts: 961
    edited April 2018

    Suitelisa: I am doing ok so far. Thank you for asking! Ingerp is also correct. Mets as in stage 4 means that breast cancer has gone to other organs like bone, liver, brain...but you are not to think about that. One step at a time. Wishing you all good things too.

  • mustlovepoodles
    mustlovepoodles Member Posts: 2,825
    edited April 2018

    SuiteLisa, that term "invasive" is enough to send anyone howling for the hills. As others have said, it just means that cancer cells have escaped the duct. The vast majority of breast cancers are diagnosed early while they are still contained in the breast (stages I-III). It is *possible* to be at stage IV at initial diagnosis (cancer outside the breast), however it is much less likely.

    One step at a time, girly. See what the surgeon advises. Try not to think too far into the future. Keep your hands busy--busy hands steady the mind.


  • FaithsMama
    FaithsMama Member Posts: 126
    edited April 2018

    Thank you everyone. It is difficult NOT to think ahead. I run a small business and need to think about who will be there to run things when I can’t. How will I afford payroll to fill my spot? How will the business run in my absence?

    Too many questions.

    Trying to take it a moment at a time.


  • Georgia1
    Georgia1 Member Posts: 1,321
    edited April 2018

    Hi SuiteLisa. As others have said, this is the hardest part in some respects and do try to take it one step at a time. For some of us surgery meant missing only 2-3 days of work, for example. So ask your doctor lots of questions but try to be optimistic too. All best wishes.

  • FaithsMama
    FaithsMama Member Posts: 126
    edited April 2018

    Thank you Georgia! I hope that’s the case with me. The wait for this consult feels as long as the wait for biopsy results.

  • CindyNY
    CindyNY Member Posts: 1,022
    edited April 2018

    SuiteLisa- the wait is the worst, and we tend to jump to conclusions while we wait. Get yourself a notebook, or padfolio, and write out your questions for Friday. You can ask what days your surgeon operates on, know in advance the days you'll be out of work. Anything to ease your mind, ask. Best wishes on Friday.

  • FaithsMama
    FaithsMama Member Posts: 126
    edited April 2018

    Thank you Cindy. Great advice! I will have my notebook ready. Counting down the days

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