MARCH 2018 starting RADIATION
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Metoo2018
Good luck with your consult on Friday. I also have a trip planned for June that I planned 2 years ago which I'm not going to cancel. I talked to the doctor about it who moved my treatment dates up so I start this week. You might mentioned your planned trip at your consult.
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Veeder, Thanks for the Tube top link. You sound like you've had a tough week. I hope next week eases up and that those Toradol shots help. Pain just exacerbates everything. I hope your hotel stays give you a chance to rest and recharge in whatever way helps.
FelineMum: I'm impressed with you driving 120 miles round trip to get to treatment. It's hard to feel like we're being a burden and getting help from others but there will come a day when we are healthy and able to pay it forward! (I'm triple negative also)
Petey: You asked about the skin tape. I have three instead of tattoos and haven't had any skin problems... yet!
Meg101: I'm glad you decided to get rads. A RO friend of mine says its absolutely necessary and an "insurance policy" against any cells that might have lived after chemo and surgery. I had a pCR after surgery and was tempted to skip rads but I know I wouldn't forgive myself if I had a recurrence.
Meetoo: Europe sounds awesome. You can always rest if you need to!
Dander: Thanks for the cotton T shirt suggestion. I plan on getting some patterned ones so I don't have to wear a bra at all! The patterns also help to hide the difference in my breast size. My RO told the plastic surgeon to remove half the fluid from the breast expander on my prophylactic MX side so it would be smaller and so that no radiation beams would bounce onto it. I didn't know the beams could bounce around!
I have my first treatment tomorrow, am hoping for the best, and look forward to sharing the experience with everyone.
Hugs!
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danderRN - I am having a lumpectomy tomorrow which will reduce the volume by who knows how much. I saw a plastic surgeon this past week and she was not encouraging re: reconstruction. What kind of reconstruction did you have prior to radiation? That was the big thing for her - she said that the radiation changed the structure of the breast that it wasn't good for implants but might be able to do some small amount of fat grafting to fill in any small dents. And would do a reduction and lift on the other side. To be honest, I don't have a lot to spare! I see so many that have reconstruction at the time of initial surgery that I wonder how it goes for women who have radiation afterward. Thanks for any input.
Gussy
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Double Blooming,
Your welcome. I hope your first treatment tomorrow goes well. I'm on for Thursday.
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Tomorrow is #8 of 33. I have yet to have a full week of treatment. I am having such a hardback time with radiation, fatigue was almost instant, I was also placed on keflex due to a possible breast infection. I feel like my treatment Days are just that. My appt time is 945 but after making the 100 mile round trip i am to exhausted to be productive the rest of the day.
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Tkane10
I'm sorry to hear your having such a difficult time with fatigue and infections. Do you work? Is it possible to at least spend some days overnight in the town where your getting radiation? Driving/commuting can be exhausting anyways. I'm about 140 miles round trip from where I live to the hospital so will be staying M-TH nights in a hotel. It will be expensive and not ideal but I'm hoping that I'll be able to get some rest. But more worried about side effects and want to be close by the hospital. I hope things improve for you soon.
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Gussy, I'm in the same situation. I couldn't have implants placed immediately after mx because the radiation will shrink and tighten the skin around the implant causing the radiated side to look different from the other side. I'll be waiting 3 to 6 months to let my skin heal and then exchange the tissue expanders for implants. My RO friend told me that during those 3 to 6 months I should moisturize my skin as much as possible so that it can be pliable to hold a reasonably sized implant of your choice. I like Palmers Cocoa Butter Oil and apply it right after my shower. The women who have implants placed immediately are probably not receiving radiation.
Tkane, Sorry to hear about the infection and fatigue. The fatigue is a huge side effect. Thank goodness it will eventually go away. Are you being too hard on yourself to be productive?
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Alrighty - so my radiation consultation on Friday went well enough. The RO is suggesting 3 weeks of whole breast radiation, followed by 1 week of boosts for that stubborn anterior margin. The simulation is set up for 3/16 - this because I finally got genetics testing done on Thursday and am awaiting the lab results. If it's positive, this will change my direction entirely. So STILL indecision. I will be glad to know what I am doing and when, which should be soon. Good lord this is a process.
I sat with the RO and the same SO resident whose been there during my two lumpectomies, and said, again, please explain how DCIS can only live in ducts but you've taken all the tissue you can from the anterior margin, where a duct no longer lives, and yet somehow DCIS still exists. <crickets> No one can answer this question.
Veeder - are you starting your rads on the 7th or next week? I need to ask about the "prone" thing. My RO also talked about practicing deep breaths to keep my heart healthy during radiation. Scares me, actually.
Paco - good luck with your consultation tomorrow. Let us know what happens.
Thanks and warm wishes to all of you. Those of you who are already in rad treatment: thank you for sharing your experiences - it helps.
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I sat with the RO and the same SO resident whose been there during my two lumpectomies, and said, again, please explain how DCIS can only live in ducts but you've taken all the tissue you can from the anterior margin, where a duct no longer lives, and yet somehow DCIS still exists. <crickets> No one can answer this question.
OH MAN, KAYWRITE!
This is exactly what I want to know. And honestly, if it's a tiny section, why can't they just nip off that section of skin and sew me back up again? How much could it possibly be? A centimeter? My breast is so banged up at this point, between the core needle biopsy, radioactive seed insertion, lumpectomy.... another tiny scar is hardly going to make much of a difference.
I'll ask the same question of my RO tomorrow and report back!
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Paco - the online pathology reporter at Johns Hopkins said they would take the tissue, no matter what - they wanted a clean margin. I hope you can see this (it was my follow up question - you can see my first and second posts there by clicking on Pathology Results link in here - my posts were on 2/19, beginning with "the pathology of my second lump..." and "follow up question..."), in which they state they would take excise again:
http://www.hopkinsbreastcenter.org/services/ask_ex...I showed this to SO, he respectfully disagreed. Yet no one can answer the question. How?
Looking forward to your follow up tomorrow.
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Hi kaywrite,
My first app't is Thursday, March 8th. I can let you know how the prone thing goes later that day. If you have specific questions that I can answered for you, let me know.
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Hi Gussy. I had an oncoplastic bilateral breast reduction at the same time as the lumpectomy.BS and PS worked together. I did not have a mass but an architectural distortion which makes it harder to get a clean margin. This option for me allowed for that. My margins were big. Greater than 1 cm. I knew no matter what option I picked. Mastectomy or lumpectomy I was going to have radiation. I really wanted to be prone so I made the decision to go ahead with the lumpectomy. Iwent from a full size D to a B/C. Also had a lift at the same time. I am very happy with the results. Good luck to you.
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DoubleBloom: Thanks for the kind words. I hope your first treatment went well. I had a BMX and have tissue expanders too. My PS waits 9 months after the completion of rads to swap in implants. He says that both studies and his personal experience show that to be the optimal healing time. That rads affect the body in so many ways, it takes a long time to heal completely. While knowing it'll likely be nearly a year before I have implants can be frustrating, I'd rather it be done right. And just once. My PS recommends arm and shoulder stretches, especially when lymph nodes have been removed.
My RO is recommending 25 treatments with a bolus. But no boosts. TG. I want to have some skin left. I've already practiced the deep breath hold (aka inspiratory breath hold). I'm still nervous about rads near my heart, but glad there's a technique that aims to minimize negative effects.
Start date unknown. I need one expander completely deflated before scheduling mapping. Bye-bye 65 CCs of volume. I'll be refilled after rads. The way it's been explained to me is that the rads beams come in at an angle across my chest and the non-cancer side expander would get hit. The expander itself should be fine, but skin damage and reconstruction complications could occur. It also could make it harder to be precise if beams refract off the expander. I can't argue with the logic.
Something that occurred to me late in the game: If you're not getting answers to your questions, find someone who will answer them. I had one rads treatment in late November but still could NOT get the questions I needed answered or sometimes even acknowledged. When I was called time-consuming for having soooooo many questions, I went for a second opinion. And got my answers along with the unsolicited recommendation that I change oncologists. I am so glad I listened to myself and my gut. Please listen to yourself. And honor what you hear.
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I'm back from my consult with the RO. Phew! What a long day and longer days are ahead!
So, for my grade 2 fairly small (1.4 cm at the widest diameter) DCIS, I will be doing 4 weeks of radiation. UGH. The RO told me I had two strikes against me for doing a shorter, 1 week course or skipping radiation altogether: one was my age (the magic number is apparently 50, I'm 48) and the other is that pesky, microscopic foci of unclean margin at the skin.
Kaywrite, I asked him about the skin thing and how could DCIS be living there if it's only in the ducts and he said, rogue cells could be living there, so they need to go. Okay. I asked about being the prone position and he said, nah, it's not as effective when there is a need to zap the skin (again that pesky involved margin!!)
I have a CT scan on Monday, March 12th for the "mold" and then they said it would take about 10 days to get rolling for the "dress rehearsal" so I'm guessing around March 22 or 23. After that, treatments can begin. Boo. I asked what the earliest appointment was because I'm an early bird and want to get it out of the way. They said 8 am. What? My surgery was at 6:45 am. I guess the radiation folks have a more relaxed schedule!
TTYL ladies
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Today I had my planning appointment. I was a little worried that I would not be able to hold my arm above my head -- I've had terrible tightness in my arm since the surgery. I continue to stretch it every day, but it is slow going.
I am so happy with my radiation oncology team and was able to get the time slot I wanted! I start on 3/19 and end on 5/4.
At the end of the appointment, they gifted me a Radiant Wrap (www.theradiantwrap.com) that I can wear for my treatments instead of the standard hospital johnny. It was such a nice way to end an appointment that I was fairly nervous going into. I'm sure my first treatment will be more nerve wracking. I'm trying to keep my mind busy for the next couple of weeks so I don't think about it too much.
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operamom1,
It's good to hear you got your planning appointment out of the way. You have a short course of radiation compared to several of us. I wonder how they decide the length of treatment. What is a radiant wrap? How nice to receive a gift. You must be having treatment at a private hospital.
They did my set face down but then wanted me to try the face up for comparison. That was much harder on my arms, keeping them above my head and within the arm rests. I guess keep stretching or see if you can go to Physical Therapy.
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Hi Paco,
Good to hear you got your consult out of the way. So, there's an age limit for doing a shorter course of treatment? I haven't heard of that before. I wonder your doctor means about zapping the skin, I thought the radiation went through the skin.
The hospital I go to is a large public university hospital and they start at 8 am and end at 5pm for all out patient clinics, including radiation. I think it's a good thing the hospital clinics are closed on Sat and Sun otherwise they would schedule app'ts and I don't want to be there on the weekend! Good luck with your CTscan and the mold.
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Hi operamom1,
I accidentally deleted the entire post instead of a word or two. Anyways, glad you had your planning appointment. Wow, your team gifted you a radiant wrap, that's awesome. You must be going to a private hospital. I tried the website to see what they looked like but the link doesn't work.
I was face down for my set up but also the doctor had me on my back to compare which position was better. So I know what you mean about having to stretch your arms above your head. I'll be face down. Anyways, you might want to see if you can go to Physical Therapy to help you stretch out. I know if my shoulder/should blade is tight then it's much harder to stretch my arm out and it causes pain.
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hey Veeder,
Not an age limit to the short course, but rather I'm too young by 2 years. At 50 or above, they are more willing to shorten it by two weeks. Basically, they look at age, grade and size of the tumor. I had two of the three.
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Hi Paco,
I didn't know about lower age treatment guidelines but I think I read somewhere that radiation/hormone therapy is not recommended for those 70 yrs old, and older if Stage 1, small tumor, no lymph nodes involved. The risks out weigh the benefits. Never thought I would be wishing to be 70 yr +. !!
Dreading Thursday my first day. I couldn't get any sleep last night. Trying to get things done in town since I'll be out of town for a month. UGH.
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Reading about what you are all experiencing and doing is super helpful!
After a conversation with a family friend that is an oncology nurse (and knows many of my doctors personally), I called my MO and asked her thoughts on superclavical radiation. My friend's point was that even if my MO didn't have an opinion, she could run it by her partners or the breast conference team that meets weekly in this area. She said that based on my situation, she wouldn't do the superclavical radiation...which is what my eccentric RO said too. So I'm good with that. I, of course, can get a second opinion if I want, but I don't think it's necessary.
Meg - Thank you for the details. It does sound like we are very similar and it's good to know what's ahead!!
I'm all set then for my set up on the 15th and first treatment on the 19th. I need to get some aloe and aquaphor. I figured I'd wait to buy anything else (except some cotton bras maybe) until I need it.
Thanks for blazing the way ladies.
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Paco - thank you for asking! The whole rogue cell thing living on skin when it can only live in a duct still mystifies the mind. But it makes sense to doctors apparently. Onward... I did not know about the 50 age limit either. I'm 59 and getting 4 weeks (3 whole breast, 1 focal to the positive margin) too. I hope. My "fitting out" is scheduled for the16th. I, too, hope to be in progress by the end of the month. Of course there remains that genetic test result. Limbo land.
Veeder - thinking of you tomorrow.
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Hi Veeder14, I posted the wrong link. It's actually www.theradiantwrap.com I corrected it in my original post too.
I plan to call my surgeon tomorrow to see if she can recommend a physical therapist. I've never used one before, so I have no idea if they are all capable of helping me with this post-surgery issue.
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Thanks operamom1,
The physical therapist I have and have had are wonderful. They have lots of modalities that can help stretch out tight muscles, tendons, etc., It may take a few appointments. And then they usually recommend stretches and exercises. I hope you can get in to see PT soon. Thanks for the link.
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The radiant wrap looks nice! But with a price tag of $52.99, I'll be sticking to an idea I saw elsewhere, possibly on a different thread on this website.
Take a large (on you) T-shirt. Cut it open in the back - a straight line from the bottom hem to the collar. Sew ribbons on at the collar and a few inches below to use as ties. Or use Velcro. Voila! An inexpensive alternative to a hospital gown.
Tip: Turn the shirt inside out and use a measuring tape and pen to mark the center and where to cut to have a straight line.
I have my materials - all from a thrift store. I found much nicer T-shirts in the men's section. I have a blue Cookie Monster face, a touristy one and one with tattoo style flowers and skulls. Washed in hot water, they're now waiting for me to measure, cut and hand sew on some ribbons.
A general tip for regular hospital gowns and this type: If it ties in the back, tie the ties before you put it on. For many, putting it on like a shirt is easier than trying to tie that's something behind you. YMMV
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FelineMum, I hadn't even visited the website before I saw your post (oops). Yes, the price is a little steep. They are beautiful, but it's not likely something I would buy for myself.
The regular half-gowns at the hospital aren't so bad. I actually like the color of them - a pretty, solid, dark teal.
Thank you for the t-shirt tip!
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Thanks for the link -I had not seen these before either. While I wouldn't probably indulge myself at this point in time I think it would make a great gift if I end up with a friend or family member in the same position.
My RO consult is tomorrow and MO consult Monday- looking forward (and maybe dreading a little bit) knowing the next round schedule.
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Did CT last week and supposed to have had simulate or dry run today but instead got the second ct with more measurements and marks today. Will start RT next Monday. Guess no more dry runs since the facility seems occupied all the time.
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lelesmom,
Good luck on Monday, I hope everything goes well for you on your first day and your entire treatment.
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I had my RO appointment - feels like this journey is taking forever. And now, just a few more weeks. The initial plan is for 33 treatments. He will consider 20 with the higher dosage once he sees my CT scan scheduled for Wednesday. He is a little uncomfortable with the grade 3 tumor and vascular invasion present. But he said it is possible. From what I gathered, he wants to confirm the position of heart and lungs - since this is my right breast and the tumor was a little more toward the outside I may be ok for the shorter length and higher dose. I also have very fair skin - not sure if that plays into it at all.
I would be fine with 33 if that is what is best but my trip - long planned - to leave for England on May 10th means that if 33 is the right number then I go right up until the day I leave with no chance to miss a session. Since the dosage is the same, and only depends on how many treatments it feels like the adjustment down to 20 would be a good option that doesn't pose additional risk. It gives some recovery time before I travel and also options to miss a day if anything should come up.
I know most of us are in our radiation journey together but know some of you are farther along than I am. I of course worry about fatigue and how comfortable I will be at the end of the treatments to make such a large trip. Any advice is welcome. I guess mentally, I am preparing myself that it may be smart to think about postponing my trip - it is insured so it is not about the money at all. Just that we have looked forward to it for a long time -especially my husband. He has been truly wonderful throughout and know he would do whatever is right for me.
I guess once I know whether it is 20 days or 33 and maybe a few weeks in once I gauge my reaction a decision will become clear.
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