When do I get second opinion?
Hi Everyone! I’m fairly new here (2 weeks). And I was diagnosed with IDC in my right breast. As of today I only know that it is low grade, stage one based on US Core Needle biopsy. I had an MRI today and have an appointment scheduled with the Breast Surgeon Monday morning, final pathology is not back yet and I have an appointment for genetic testing late next week.
My question is, at what point do I go for a second opinion? Close friends and family have various opinions— just Not sure when is the time to schedule a second d opinion— what did you do?
Thanks!
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Hi Nikki! I’m also in NC just a short drive away from Mooresville. My path was made pretty clear as the puzzle pieces came together. If you’re given the option of a lumpectomy with rads, your choices at that point are the lumpectomy or a mastectomy. Choosing between the two is a personal decision. There are multiple threads on BCO that address choosing so I won’t belabor the point. Often second opinions are desired when what the surgeon/MO is recommending is not standard of care for your diagnosis, you want confirmation that the path the dr is laying before you is the only or the best path, you would like a second look for peace of mind, and/or you’re looking at reconstruction options. Sometimes a dr will push one path over another because they think it’s what is best for you (ie lumpectomy vs mastectomy or different recon options). Many times that push is based on what they would want or doing the minimum to get the desired outcome. That’s why 2nd opinions are important. You also want to seek another opinion if you feel the dr is not listening to what you want (ie dr shuts you down if you talk about mx when he says lumpectomy, dr disregards your desire to go minimal or maximal treatment or your desire for additional scans, dr dismisses your wants on recon outcome). My second opinion fell in the recon option realm. The surgeon in 1 breath was telling me I was really not a good candidate for implants then in the next breath was referring me to a PS that only did implant recon. Many PSs never mention any other type of recon other than implants. I went home and searched recon options, decided to go with natural tissue recon and did a phone consult with NOLA for a 2nd opinion. They agreed I was not a good implant candidate and evaluated me for DIEP flap recon at same time as BMX. Here I am 1 year later and very happy I sought the second opinion and went with it. Let me know if I can help.
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Another point at which you might want to consider a second opinion is the pathology report. Since everything (treatment/surgery, etc.) is dependent on the pathology report, some women choose to have a second pathology group/department examine the actual tissue slides in order to confirm the cancer diagnosis and its details.
Most pathology departments do include a second person who takes a look at the tissue. And I'm not sure when a second pathology opinion might be indicated. But if the pathology group that examined your slides doesn't routinely (day in/day out) examine breast tissue slides, I'd consider having my slides sent to a specialist breast center and it's pathology department.
How to decide? Is there someone on your medical team that you can discuss it with? If so, talk with them.
HTH,
LisaAlissa
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I never got a second opinion. Part of that is that I'm in Canada and it seems all our doctors are following essentially the same province wide protocols, and every patient is followed by a large interdisciplinary team, and there's a weekly tumour board which hashes out any weird or unusual presentations. Second (& third etc) opinions are kind of built into the system automatically. So for me it was just a matter of 'clicking' personally with the docs and so far I've liked them & trusted what they were saying. My BS was selected for me by my GP and I trusted her to refer me to who she thought would be best. And he was great, and super fast. I had my surgery very quickly after diagnosis & I was so glad.
FWIW, technically your final pathology isn't determined until you have your surgery and the pathologist looks at your tumor, and your lymph nodes are biopsied. For me, my bs recommended lumpectomy + radiation as the location and size of my lump made a breast conserving surgery relatively simple. He did say if I was adamant about mastectomy they'd do it but it was not his recommendation. We rarely do prophylactic contralateral mastectomies here - not unless you're at high genetic risk - so a BMX didn't even come up (I'm still waiting for genetic testing so that might change eventually) Hanging around on these boards for a couple months now I notice that US patients seem to do mastectomies more often; would be interesting to tease out why that is.
After surgery I got handed off to the oncologist who made the recommendations for chemo.
Unless your friends & family are oncologists I'd take their advice with a huge grain of salt. Cancer research has rapid changes and the protocols that doctors are using are based on the current best evidence guidelines so I tend to just lean on their expertise. By all means question the protocols and why doctors are recommending one thing v. another but at the end of the day, I listen to them.best wishes as you navigate this. It's hard but we're all here to support each other.
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If of interest, one can seek a second opinion(s) at various time points. The Main Site has some general information re possible "whens" here:
http://www.breastcancer.org/treatment/second_opinion/when
See also the additional sections at that page (via menu at upper left).
In general, a second opinion at an independent institution is a good way obtain a second review of [Edit: all imaging to date,] pathology results and/or treatment recommendations or options by appropriate professionals, as well as to further explore any questions or concerns you may have. Among those who seek a second opinion, some do so simply as a matter of course, while others do so because they have specific questions, concerns, and/or doubts.
As laypersons, it is not always obvious to us what a second opinion may or may not confirm, until we actually get a second opinion. For example, I sought a second opinion prior to surgery, because I wanted confirmation of the initial pathologic diagnosis (extensive, unilateral DCIS) and of the recommended surgical plan (unilateral mastectomy plus SNB). I was surprised when the second opinion hospital's Radiologist had a different opinion about the imaging findings on the "good" side, which led to another diagnostic mammogram, biopsy, and a revised diagnosis of bilateral disease, which impacted surgical advice.
BarredOwl
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Thanks for the replies! I think I’ll have a better feeling after I meet with the surgeon Monday
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Nikki:
Hello from down the road a bit (Charlotte).
I got a second opinion soon after diagnosis. I wanted another review of the biopsy pathology and, frankly, just another set of doctors to talk to about all these decisions I needed to make. I went to MD Anderson and it was incredibly easy to make the appts. I also called Johns Hopkins and UNC. All assisted with getting documents from my diagnosis center to them (or offered to when I discussed on the phone) and could get me in in less than 2 weeks. Some the next week. Somewhat of a machine and a seamless process at all I talked to. I will say that these were in network with my insurance, so travel costs were my only additional concern.
(UNC and Wake Forest have wonderful breast centers, even better than Duke the last time I looked. I actually go to an MO at UNC and would be glad to provide any more info. Just PM me.)
Good luck!! This is a hard time but it does get better with a treatment plan in place. Truly.
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When I was diagnosed, I read a lot about the importance of second opinions. I asked my BS (to whom I was referred by my OB/GYN). She wholeheartedly agreed and recommended another BS at Hopkins. That BS wanted copies of everything and they actually ended up repeating my pathology.
I've primarily been treated by a local cancer cancer. They have a tumor board that meets to discuss patients. They're also affiliated with Anderson and I had my MO contact them for review of plan of care (they agreed). So I've seen 2 BS's, had 2 pathology reviews, had 1 MO and 1 tumor board review and 1 additional review for oncology. I also saw 2 RO's. Only 1 PS because I changed my mind about type of surgery and for was pressed for time!
I think second opinions are very important. Even if the plan of care seems pretty straightforward, it helps to hear it from multiple sources. And it's important to feel comfortable with your decisions and your team.
I'm currently planning to physically see another MO (Hopkins) to get their recommendation for follow up care. My MO seems pretty uninvolved at this point - which is fine if nothing further is needed. But I'll need to hear that from another source to feel comfortable.
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Pathology reports and 2nd or 3rd opinions are important. I realize personal experiences are all over the board and new research and treatments are changing constantly. My DX was 2mm IDC and some DCIS in a different area of the R breast. This was in 2011. Some BC oncologists and surgeons don't consider DCIS a BC diagnosis today. There was discussion to take the Ductal "C-carcinoma" out of the DX. The word carcinoma refers to cancer, but research is saying, not so sure. There is a labyrinth of decisions that you have to make. Take your time. Consider and reconsider all you've heard, all you've read and researched on your own. I"m not saying distrust anyone or any test result. Just be aware, there are options and many of them.
How did the surgeon appointment go?
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It’s your life do get as many opinions as you think you need. Also be your own advocate. Ask questions and if you choose not to go the way they advise it’s okay. Again it’s your life - your call.
Diane
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I went to Dana Farber for a second opinion- I wanted an opinion from a major cancer center with research to find out what they recommended and I didn't live particularly close to one. It was extremely easy to set up the appointment, they are very used to second opinions. I would do that as soon as possible as things tend to move quite quickly and you will want all the information you can get before making decisions. The oncologist I met with there said if her recommendation was the same as what I already had heard she would let me know that and send me home. So its worth getting that opinion even if it doesn't change your treatment plan. I also agree with the poster above who suggested a second opinion on your pathology- this changed my actual diagnosis (and you can send it anywhere without traveling there.)
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