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  • Mom2fourplusmore
    Mom2fourplusmore Member Posts: 183
    edited February 2018

    I’ve been having horrible hip pain that I couldn’t even walk. My MO ordered a bone scan and no Mets. However I am riddled with arthritis. It found arthritis in hip, spine, shoulders, neck, elbows, wrist, and hands. Non of this was there one the first bone scan 1 1/2 yrs ago before I started tamoxifen. Anyone actually get arthritis from this med? Is the damage permanent?

  • inccmd
    inccmd Member Posts: 69
    edited February 2018

    Lula73 - Thank you for the tip about the lemon water. I'll try it.

    Michelle_in... - For me the Mg is helping. I think my muscles are little less achy. I know the exercise helps - the days where I skip, I don't feel as good. It's all very subtle though.

  • Rhyfelwr
    Rhyfelwr Member Posts: 88
    edited February 2018

    From those of you gals who take melatonin to help with sleep, some advice? I have only tried it a couple times. Took the 3mg strength. I felt wired and had weird dreams when I finally did get to sleep. Am I not taking a strong enough dose? Or does it take a little bit of time to adjust to it?

    I'm having some sleep issues already. And start Tamoxifen this week. I'm trying not to get anxious.

  • Legomaster225
    Legomaster225 Member Posts: 672
    edited February 2018

    I don’t take melatonin often but when I do I always have dreams with animals attacking. Very weird.

  • lala1
    lala1 Member Posts: 1,147
    edited February 2018

    If melatonin makes you wired, you're taking too high of a dose. I started with 0.3mg (yes, that's point 3!) and it worked perfectly. I could only find it on Amazon but this was the strength recommended by my holistic doctor.

  • TWills
    TWills Member Posts: 679
    edited February 2018

    I started with 1mg, also had to order it. It can do the opposite of what it’s used for which is a little known fact. Strange

  • Veeder14
    Veeder14 Member Posts: 880
    edited February 2018

    Hi,

    To change the subject for a minute, does Tamoxifen have the side effect of your hair falling out? Just wondering. Thanks

  • Trvler
    Trvler Member Posts: 3,159
    edited February 2018

    Yes, thinning hair is a possible side effect.

  • Veeder14
    Veeder14 Member Posts: 880
    edited February 2018

    Thank you for the info.

  • EastcoastTS
    EastcoastTS Member Posts: 864
    edited February 2018

    Get children's melatonin. 1mg is typical dose -- some melting on tongue type. But gets you the lower dose you want. (On Amazon)

  • Rhyfelwr
    Rhyfelwr Member Posts: 88
    edited February 2018

    Thanks, folks, for the 411 on melatonin. I figured it was either not enough, or too much. It would have taken me a while to figure out which. I'll try a much-reduced dose and see how that works.

  • Tkane10
    Tkane10 Member Posts: 22
    edited February 2018

    i was told i would be on Tamoxifen for 10 years. Apparently there is new research regarding 10 vs the standard 5 years.

  • shelabela
    shelabela Member Posts: 584
    edited February 2018

    tkane, i was told 10 years also.

  • Rspolari
    Rspolari Member Posts: 8
    edited February 2018

    I was told I would be on it for 10yrs too

  • molliefish
    molliefish Member Posts: 723
    edited February 2018
    I was told I would be on it for 5 years too, and now the doc is talking about 10. I think my MO will be retired before I get to 5 so we will see what happens. I just found out that my family doctor died last month too so now I'm in GP limbo too. So sad for her.
  • shelabela
    shelabela Member Posts: 584
    edited February 2018

    molliefish, i would not like to have to switch drs that would suck. Have you thought about checking new one out now

  • EastcoastTS
    EastcoastTS Member Posts: 864
    edited February 2018

    I was told 10, too.

  • Tpralph
    Tpralph Member Posts: 487
    edited February 2018

    is 10 years recommended because of your ages?  I wont see my MO until July and started on tamoxifen in December. She said for a few years then switch to Als.  I'm 52 now, was 51 when started and still having regular periods up until mid way through chemo in August.

  • Scrafgal
    Scrafgal Member Posts: 631
    edited February 2018


    Tpralph,

    I am 51 and my MO told me the same as you...I will switch to an AI as soon as I am clearly menopausal.  I was not menopausal going into chemo.  I am trending in that direction now. However, if you take an AI before you are menopausal, because of how AIs work, it could actually backfire and create more estrogenic conditions that could cause a recurrence.  So, I am okay staying on Tamox for the next 2-5 years before switching to an AI.  I suspect that younger women, who are not menopausal and can't plan on moving in that direction for the next 10 years, could stay on Tamox for an entire 10 years.

  • EastcoastTS
    EastcoastTS Member Posts: 864
    edited February 2018

    I'm on something for 10 years. (May switch to an AI after menopause but depends upon bone health.)

  • canvasmaker
    canvasmaker Member Posts: 3
    edited February 2018

    I'm on Tamoxifen for 5 - 10 years and I went through menopause about 12 years ago. My MO switched me to Tamo after bad SEs from both Armidex and Femera. I started on Dec. 18 and, so far so good. Only a few hot flashes, couple of sleepless nights but mostly nothing remarkable at all. Whew! I was so worried about the SEs after my experience with the two AIs.


  • Trvler
    Trvler Member Posts: 3,159
    edited February 2018

    It's 10 years total hormone blockers. Could be Tamoxifen or AL's.

  • lala1
    lala1 Member Posts: 1,147
    edited February 2018

    I was told 5 years at diagnosis then 10 years by the time I actually started Tamoxifen. But now I had the Breast Cancer Index test which showed zero benefit from hormone therapy for years 5-10 so now I'm not on anything.

  • Trvler
    Trvler Member Posts: 3,159
    edited February 2018
  • superius
    superius Member Posts: 340
    edited February 2018

    My hot flashes also disappeared. (been on it since Nov 2015). I am on 10 yrs. maybe it's both research & my age (diag just turning 42) 

  • Chiarara
    Chiarara Member Posts: 44
    edited February 2018

    10 year recommendation comes from this study https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3596060/

    Almost up to 6 weeks of the Big T, now. Insomnia occasionally (but nothing terrible), which resolves if I do some relaxation yoga before bed, and constipation, which resolves if I guzzle water, eat enough fibre, and get some exercise. So tamoxifen is basically making me live a veryhealthy life!

  • Legomaster225
    Legomaster225 Member Posts: 672
    edited February 2018

    I'm very similar to Scrafgal and Tpralph. I'm 51 (52 in a few weeks) Premenopausal before chemo but have not had a period since last February after my second AC treatment. My blood work both in July and again last month showed I was menopausal. I actually discussed staying on tamoxifen or switching to an AI with my MO last month. He said that he wanted to do more research. His recollection was that the majority of the studies that showed AI's as being slightly more effective were done on women that were already menopausal and not forced into it from chemo. He is very comfortable keeping me on tamoxifen for the next year or so at least since I am tolerating it so well. I'm comfortable with that and I'm also glad that he wants to look into the research. He did say I'll be on one or the other for 10 years. Heck, I'd take them for 30 more if it helps.
  • shelabela
    shelabela Member Posts: 584
    edited February 2018

    tamoxifen might be for a certain type. I'm trip +

  • Dizzybee
    Dizzybee Member Posts: 142
    edited February 2018

    I was 55 at diagnosis, but was put on tamoxifen because at the time it was the only hormone treatment licensed for DCIS. I was told 5 years, and so far no one has said that will change. My oncologist says he prefers to put his DCIS patients on tamoxifen not AIs because the outcomes are more or less the same, but he thinks the quality of life issues are better. Though I guess that depends what side effects you get. So far I've noticed that I gain weight more easily and it's much harder to shift. And it isn't down to being post menopause, because I was already well past when I was diagnosed.

    Apart from that, I don't have any side effects, no aches and pains, no hot flushes, no hair thinning (I could do with a bit of that!) I am a bit warmer than I used to be, I was always cold before, wanting to turn the heating up. Now my husband and I are on the same page when it comes to when to put the heating on, that only ever used to happen when I was pregnant.

    I think it's hard to find the facts about side effects, if you look up tamoxifen and weight gain, or tamoxifen and cholesterol, there seem to be as many studies saying it lowers levels as it causes an increase.

  • Legomaster225
    Legomaster225 Member Posts: 672
    edited February 2018

    Dizzybee, I think your DCIS diagnosis might be a difference too. I know that the several people I know that are post menopausal are all on tamoxifen. Both meds are very effective and if one is better tolerated then all the better. So far I'm happy with Tamoxifen

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