Can we have a forum for "older" people with bc?

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  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited January 2018

    Seems like cataract surgery is improving all the time. Dh had the same experience of being able to SEE things as they really were. Also night driving is far better for him. He had it done about a yr. ago. He has struggled with dry eyes for a long time and it is still an issue. My only complaint ( none really on my eyes ) is that I wish Dh would give things a little more time. I think he gives up on some of his treatments a little on the early side. I always say --- it took X number of yrs. for your problem to germinate to being bad, but you seem to expect that if things are not perfect within a day and a half -- two at most, that the current tx. is not working.

    He too got his lenses 'blued' for the computer screen and now doesn't wear them. Sigh !!! I do think ( hope all men don't do this ) he tries to fix problems he doesn't have and gives up too soon on what he really does. I try to help but he I think is convinced that HE knows regardless of what anyone else knows or tells him. I don't feel too bad -- he does this to the 'experts' as well as me. Sometimes that ole' salt pile gets big.

    Glad everyone is doing great in that department.

  • Wren44
    Wren44 Member Posts: 8,585
    edited January 2018

    What infuriates me is when I say something should be and DH ignores it. Then his MD or a friend, or even our son, tells him and he takes immediate action. Grrrr.

  • Puffin2014
    Puffin2014 Member Posts: 961
    edited January 2018

    Several people mentioned waiting until their cataract was "ready" before they could have surgery. If that's what your Dr or optometrist is telling you, you need to get a second opinion. Cataracts no longer have to be "ripe" before they are removed. They can be removed when they're interfering with what you want or need to do.

  • ChiSandy
    ChiSandy Member Posts: 12,133
    edited January 2018

    Yup, Puffin--over the past couple of years, whenever I'd ask the ophthalmologist whether my cataracts were ripe enough to remove, he'd reply "you tell me." (Same as when I'd asked the orthopod about when my knees were ready to replace). For me, it was a constellation of life-interferences: seeing backlit faces or objects in silhouette; on an unlit outdoor tented stage facing the sunlight, looking down at my guitar neck and not being able to see the fret markers along the neck; and (the last straw), after getting stronger & stronger drugstore readers, going for a refraction at LensCrafters. The optometrist told me my reading correction was exactly as it was in my most recent Rx, but my difficulty reading was due to clouded lenses from the cataracts. And when she couldn't tell me what shape my retinas were in because she couldn't see through my lenses well enough to visualize the fundi, she said I should see an ophthalmologist. I told her I have one, and was waiting for a sign to get the surgery. That was the sign.

    After the first surgery, I realized how bad my cataracts had been when I was driving home from a gig in Madison, WI. There's a ring-road called the Beltline that circles the city and connects to I-90/39. Over the past few years, I'd dreaded the ramp from the Beltline at night because it was unlit. (A couple of times I actually missed it and had to take the country roads to the state line and into Chicago's far NW suburbs). I would turn on my high beams and go very slowly, torn between hoping there was someone ahead on whose taillights I could guide and dreading blinding them with my brights. This time, though, I marvelled how normal that ramp looked. And though the unlit sections of freeway (except for a couple of small-city interchanges, all the way to the IL state line) were still a bit scary, it was nothing like when I had to use my brights the whole time,

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited January 2018

    Grace is goodness and respect given freely and unconditionally.
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  • pingpong1953
    pingpong1953 Member Posts: 362
    edited January 2018

    I've heard that the reason for waiting until they are "ripe" (another word for really bad) is because the surgery itself could lead to blindness. If the cataracts are "ripe" then you have nothing to lose! That was in the olden days - we're a lot luckier in the 21st century.

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited January 2018

    To live a life of gratitude is to open our eyes to the countless ways in which we are supported by the world around us. Such a life provides less space for our suffering because our attention is more balanced. We are more often occupied with noticing what we are given, thanking those who have helped us, and repaying the world in some concrete way for what we are receiving.
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  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited January 2018

    Well our heat wave ( I think maybe about 54 or 55 today ) is here and as I suspected will likely bring rain. We are having gray and lots of fog this morning. Waiting for my five day forecast to come in my email which is how I try and keep up. Not always as accurate as I'd like, but does give me an idea so as to maybe make some plans if needed.

    Otherwise I'm planning a productive day. Don't know how much I'll actually do, but at this point -- it is about keeping what is clean going while refining pretty much everywhere. I'm actually enjoying it -- much to my surprise and that does make a lot of it far easier though I've been running into some tedious things -- silly stuff actually. Like what rags to keep of all things.

    Hope you all have a really good day --- and if you have some sun -- good for you.

    Good to hear from you Puffin.

  • ChiSandy
    ChiSandy Member Posts: 12,133
    edited January 2018

    Foggy & raw (low 40s) today--will pour tonight. (My sinuses, rings and joints are telling me so). Have my semi-annual MO appt. tomorrow, and she will really rip into me about my weight gain. (Fell off the low-carb wagon; haven't gone to the gym for various reasons, most involving seasonal massive inconvenience). And I wouldn't be surprised if my pre-exam labs show fasting glucose spiking into the 120s or higher, after all these months on Crestor (and carbs).

    It is extremely rare nowadays for cataract surgery to have serious side effects, much less cause blindness. As recently as 50 yrs. ago (when my grandma had her cataracts done), it was major surgery requiring not only a hospital stay but a week of immobilizing the head between sandbags. And there were no implantable plastic lenses, corrective or not: the entire lens capsule was extracted, leaving nothing in the pupil other than the vitreous humor fluid that would rush in to fill the empty space; and post-cataract, patients required coke-bottle-thick glasses to allow for a semblance of vision correction. No wonder patients had to forestall surgery till cataracts were ripe!

    These days, most people feel better immediately after cataract surgery (and require no pain relief at all) than after having a tooth pulled.

  • ChiSandy
    ChiSandy Member Posts: 12,133
    edited January 2018

    Had an odd experience yesterday. Most of my guitars are in my living room, in their hardshell cases to protect them from dry indoor winter air. Been assiduously "recharging" their case humidifiers ("sponges-in-baggies" and devices with soluble gel that when rehydrated slowly release water vapor through their pores). Wood contracts as it dries. A dried-out guitar is sad indeed: hard to play, sharp fret ends sticking out of shrunken fingerboards, even cracks!

    I keep three or four (an expensive Taylor, a small mid-priced Taylor, a budget Martin and an old cheap Gibson) I haven't touched in years down in the basment, reasoning that a climate good for wine (cool and somewhat humid) would also be good for wood. A couple are against a far wall, behind heavy boxes and other stuff, and I can't reach them. The expensive one, though, was right next to the wines, in a custom-made (in Scotland) fiberglass case that cost me more than some of my guitars (or at least what I paid for them used), and weighs a ton. So I hadn't played it in over a decade. Dusted off the case and pried open the latches...and the guitar is in pristine shape! (Stuck a hygrometer into the case for a few hrs., and when I reopened it, it read 67F and 40% humidity). Played it, and it plays beautifully--but my left wrist is still too sore (damn pill bottles!) to play for any length of time. I put a new humidifier in there and closed the case back up. And also put it in a more convenient place in the basement in case my wrist gets better.

  • carolehalston
    carolehalston Member Posts: 6,887
    edited January 2018

    Sandy, most of us didn't realize that guitars required so much upkeep!

    The view out of the window this morning is gray. According to the weather lady, the muggies are back. Not a day that beckons me outside. But I will probably venture out later to a supermarket.

    Wishing everyone a good Monday.

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited January 2018

    There cannot be a sense of abundance or the experience of prosperity without appreciation. You cannot find beauty unless you appreciate beauty. You cannot find friendship unless you appreciate others. You cannot find love unless you appreciate loving and being loved. If you wish abundance, appreciate life. -William R. Miller

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited January 2018

    Warm out but gray and a bit windy. I surmise ( though I haven't looked at the five-day yet ) that we may have some more rain or heavy mist or something wet. Not the happiest thought to me but it is the gray that gets me and not the rain. So, its in the 50's and at least we can come and go w/o bundling up and shivering heavily until the car heater warms. I keep forgetting to have the man at the dealership help me set the car computer.

    I can start it from inside the house ( a great feature ) but it only runs for 5 minutes and then shuts itself off again. In the icky cold we have five minutes won't budge the needle an iota. Thinking I'd have it set for ten or even 15 mins. But in order to do that -- uh, you have to remember when your at the dealership to ask.

    Not a whole lot planned for the day. I will go over and do my favorite puppy friends at the Dr.'s house. They have an appt. Anyway -- they are hoping it won't be a long one and so likely I'll only go over once. Dh has the day off but will have to go in for a short while and manage the floor while the delivery truck is unloaded. Sigh !!! Don't know how long it has been since he has been able to have a DAY off that he didn't have to spend some ( if only an hr. and a half ) time back at work.

    Ran out to one of my favorite stores ( Goodwill ) yesterday. They sell all books for $1.00. The great thing is -- on Sunday they are half price so I got 4 books for $2.00. If you don't mind some that are a bit older or that you read and don't quite recall -- or just would like something different for your library at home it can be an unbelievable bargain. I have found not only some great cookbooks but some other books I'd have by-passed were I in a non-discount book store.

    Hope you all have a really great Monday.

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited January 2018

    Jumping back in to say Monday is not so bad here. A bit ago the sun came out fairly strong and shows at the moment not much sign of hiding out again. I hope I'm right about that. It lifted my mood instantaneously as it usually does. I'm not a sun worshipper by the way -- it is just my biggest and best mood stabilizer.

  • Wren44
    Wren44 Member Posts: 8,585
    edited January 2018

    Jackie, If you're not using full spectrum lights, they're worth the money. I have one on my art table and it lifts my mood just to turn it on.

    Speaking of books, my book club picked "No Time to Waste" by Ursula LeGuin for the next choice. It's a series of short essays, possibly from her blog, on aging. The title is from the essay that says, at 81 I have no time to waste. They are fun and mostly about 4 pages long, so easy to pick up and put down.

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited January 2018

    Wren -- thanks. I do have ( I silently bless her daily ) two of those spectrum/special lights that another bc lady who was here for a bit was kind enough to send me. I had looked for some around here previous to that and most people looked at me oddly when I would ask if they had any. So, I do use those a lot on the icky days and it keeps me going. They are quite portable, but I was lazy this morning (am a lot of mornings ) because I am in and out of most of the rooms of the house doing chores so I can go at a nicer pace the rest of the day. By the time I was ready to settle down --- I had already been thru the house and out to do my outside things -- and behold the sun came out -- so didn't have those lights on today. Would have though had it stayed 'gloomy'.

    Your Ursula LeGuin book sounds great. I like books that can convey much in a short space. I got a book called " Standing Next To History " An agent's Life Inside the Secret Service ( 2005 ) as well as " The White House Staff " Inside the West Wing And Beyond ( 2000 ) and I think they will be easy reads. The books at the store are sort of random on the one hand -- but they tend to keep the same type together. Cook books, political, biographies, self-help etc. That is how I came to have two political books. It is not a subject that has held a lot of interest for me as far as actually purchasing books. Though we don't talk politics here and I won't now, I will say with the last election I have had a lot more thoughts about 'some' political subjects so when these two books caught my eye I felt they might be well worth the 50 cent price tag.

    As an aside --- they don't much look like they have even been read -- and I've purchased a couple of articles of clothing in the store that still had store tags on them, along with hotel sheets ( oh do I love those ) so I do think if you are persistent in going you can find many things that are either brand new or very close to it. I found stainless pots and pans that were not used either. If you aren't fussy and don't need to have "matched" sets of anything there are bargains galore.

  • Puffin2014
    Puffin2014 Member Posts: 961
    edited January 2018

    Sandy, I remember taking care of patients back in the day who had both eyes patched and laid with sandbags to immobilize their heads.

    Another change they've made is combining the 3 types of eye drops into one bottle. It's still a lot of drops, but nothing like it used to be. Also, no activity restrictions at all. I remember when they didn't want you to bend over to put on your shoes. My only instructions were to use my drops and don't rub your eyes

  • bonnets
    bonnets Member Posts: 769
    edited January 2018

    My DH had both eyes done this spring, same day surgery. He agreed the hardest part was doing the eye drops , esp. when they were every 2 hours!


  • Wren44
    Wren44 Member Posts: 8,585
    edited January 2018

    The only restriction they told me was to wear the shield to bed for the first week. That was easy enough. Yes, there were a lot of eye drops.

  • carolehalston
    carolehalston Member Posts: 6,887
    edited January 2018

    I have no problem with eye drops, having worn contact lenses for many years before I had cataract surgery. You learn to control the instinctive blinking. Cataract surgery was miraculous for me. I remember that "wow" feeling of seeing clearly.

    Today went well. I did a couple of loads of laundry and did some other household chores. I also got myself back on track for losing weight.

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited January 2018

    Couldn't decide which quote so enjoy all three:

    As I experience it, appreciation of beauty is access to the soul. With beauty in our lives, we walk and carry ourselves more lightly and with a different look in our eyes. To look into the eyes of someone beholding beauty is to look through the windows of the soul. Anytime we catch a glimpse of soul, beauty is there; anytime we catch our breath and feel "How beautiful!," the soul is present.



    Jean Shinoda Bolen How much beauty goes unnoticed as we hurry from place to place during the course of our busy days? How many flowers and trees do we go by without noticing their colors or their marvelous complexity or their scents? How many rainbows go unseen by how many people because we close ourselves up indoors when it rains to "protect" ourselves from the elements? How many snowfalls go unenjoyed because it's too cold outside or we don't want to bother to put on our gloves and coats and boots and hats to keep us warm and dry?



    tom walsh

    Beauty is the only thing that time cannot harm. Philosophies fall away like sand, and creeds follow one another like the withered leaves of Autumn; but what is beautiful is a joy for all seasons and a possession for all eternity.

    Oscar Wilde

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited January 2018

    Cooler this a.m. and no sun -- here come the lights. Carole, I've actually been thinking of getting some generic eyedrops just to train myself. On the chance that I'll need to do something about cataracts. I've been told, some time back that their is evidence of some mild formation. I'm the type that winces horrifically when I see that DROP coming out of the bottle. It is like a boulder hitting my eye. Once had an eye Dr. get angry with me over it. I warned him about my reactions and he pooh-pooh'ed it and then proceeded to get mad when he was less than successful. We did finally manage.

    Hoping to have a good day as well despite what may or may not happen out of doors. My 5-day forecast isn't in yet -- not sure why it has been so sporadic lately but doesn't really matter. Hope you all have a fantastic and fruitful day.

  • Wren44
    Wren44 Member Posts: 8,585
    edited January 2018

    Illinois Lady, I can't look at the drops either. Just pull out your lower eyelid and drop the drops in there. I have to look in a mirror to make sure I'm putting them in the eyelid and not on my face. With needing reading glasses, I can't see much close up anyway.

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited January 2018

    Wren, I think I might be able to do that. Sounds far less intrusive. I am near-sighted as well as far-sighted and have an astigmatism in there somewhere ( though I'm told it wouldn't make a lot of difference where eye drops are concerned ) so I'm all for not having to see the 'boulder' coming. Of course I'm thinking, why didn't I think of that, but likely it is because my dry eyes are not very bothersome and I haven't needed drops for that, so I just don't think of how to make something better if the problem isn't happening now -- but more thinking of one of these days if I need the cataracts done.

    Then again -- maybe that will be like my hair. I don't as yet have actual gray hair -- unless you could call a couple of small strands right at the temple area. Sigh !!! Sometimes I'm far too predictable. I've always thought that when you get lets say around retirement age, you often get gray hair too. Not so. You get it when you get it. My dad was late in graying and I think my grandmother ( on his side ) was too. His brother was as well --- so I did always have a chance that it would come a little later. I had at one time what seemed a small patch in the crown area towards the back but I no longer see it, hmmm maybe that is the cataract at work, but I've not been able to see that little patch for a long time. I just think I'm not going to get much for gray which won't bother me any more than not re-growing hair on my legs or underarms after chemo long ago. I do miss my eyebrows, but I can fix that pretty well.

  • Wren44
    Wren44 Member Posts: 8,585
    edited January 2018

    I'm 77 and my hair still reads as brown. It's getting more and more gray mixed in. I still remember not liking my Mom's hair when it was half and half. The rest of my family went gray early (DH's genes). DD has been coloring her hair since her 20's and DS colors his from time to time. Their cousin also went gray very early. I colored mine once, but it's a lot of trouble so I didn't keep it up.

  • ChiSandy
    ChiSandy Member Posts: 12,133
    edited January 2018

    Got my first gray hair at 17, several more starting in my mid-20s. My roots are coming in salt & pepper, mostly salt. A few streaks are silky white, so no need for highlights when I go to the salon. But the "pepper" gray is wiry & almost kinky. If my gray had behaved like the "salt" part I would have let Nature take its course rather than mimic my early childhood blondeness. (Turned brown before I was 10).

  • carolehalston
    carolehalston Member Posts: 6,887
    edited January 2018

    I have been having my hair colored for quite a few years. I went gray when I was 70 and didn't like being gray. I always pay the extra $$ and have my hair stylist do the coloring.

    I signed up for women's golf today at 9 am and am having doubts about the wisdom of doing so. It's supposed to warm up to high 50's but looks cold and gray outside. Sunshine would be nice. I haven't played golf since before Christmas because of the weather.

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited January 2018

    Love is the doorway through which the human soul passes from selfishness to service, and from solitude to kinship with all humankind.

    unattributed

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited January 2018

    As to gray hair which I don't as yet have at 72 --- it may develop at some time and I think I will be somewhat torn as to what to do. I'm not super vain thank goodness which I think will help. I do know that there are some ladies who are 'gray' and it is sort of stunning to me how good they look. So --- it has me thinking if I get to that point -- I may just try coloring an attractive gray that is a consistent one. If you have to color anyway -- it might be nice to do a color already showing itself and make it nicer. While I have no idea how I'd look in gray hair --- to me I think it would mean more to have ( whatever color I have ) a consistent vibrant color. So --- if I could find one in gray that I liked that could end up the way I'd go. Waiting game here. Not going to start too early.

  • Puffin2014
    Puffin2014 Member Posts: 961
    edited January 2018

    IllinoisLady: I was never able to put in eye drops either until someone taught me this tip.

    Lay down on the couch, tip your head slightly toward the eye that's getting the drop, You can even close that eye if you want. Tip the bottle vertically upside down alongside your nose and move it toward the tip of your eye and squeeze the drop so it lands right at the inner corner of your eye, open your eye and the drop will slide in.

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