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  • Lula73
    Lula73 Member Posts: 1,824
    edited January 2018

    NvrGvsUp- we all have to learn from scratch with these docs. I researched almost nonstop for 2 weeks straight after meeting with the breast surgeon locally.

    To answer your questions:I had my hysterectomy during my stage 2 recon. (DIEP flap with NOLA is typically a 2-3 stage process depending on if you want/need nipple recon or tattoos.) stage 1 = MX + tissue harvest and transfer, stage 2 = revisions like lift, reduction, fat grafting, scar revision to any of the scars that need it and/or nipple recon, stage 3 = nipple recon/tattoos. Stage 2 & 3 are optional but most do the stage 2 - Its a much shorter surgery than stage 1 and much easier/quicker to recover from.

    No you do not lose any core muscles when you do a DIEP flap recon. And you can do sit-ups and crunches after-just not right after. A lot of people get DIEP and TRAM flap confused. It's TRAM flap where they use the core muscles and leave you with a weakened core and the inability to do sit-ups/crunches. There are some women whose dr did take a little bit of muscle and that would technically be called a modified or hybrid TRAM flap. In most cases it should not be necessary to take any muscle if you've opted for DIEP - a lot comes down to the surgeon's skill. Those Frankenstein looking pics you've seen go back to skill too. There's one doc in particular that I cringe every time someone posts his name on the boards as a recommendation off a google search no less (they have no experience with him).

    I am a HUGE researcher and here's what I found: when it comes to skill, number of natural tissue recons done per year, infection rate, failure rate, aesthetic outcomes focused on the whole woman not just her breasts - the 3 top places for natural tissue recon are NOLA (The Center for Restorative Breast Surgery), Charleston (dr Craige & Dr Massey) and PRMA. I had mine at NOLA and would recommend it to anyone who wanted this type of recon. The docs there are part surgeon/part artist (really). I've had numerous surgeries at various hospitals in multiple states-some local hospitals, some big teaching hospitals- starting when i was 3 so I've got a lot of hospital stay/surgery experience. Ive never had overall care anywhere like I did there. It was worth traveling for and women even travel to them from the UK and Canada to have their recon. The docs there even fix other dr's botched jobs and the end result is nothing short of amazing.

    There is FB page just for women who went to or are looking into going to NOLA or Charleston. It was created because the experience & way they do their recon is different than other places. If you’d like to be added to the group as you’re investigating and ask some others about their experience with either group/or with the procedure itself,I can add you. The membership is by member addition only and can’t be found by searching for it. Just let me know if you’d like to be added.

    Here's the link to their website complete with the different procedures they do and before and after pics. The pics where you see a football shaped “flap" on the breast is where someone did not have skin or nipple sparing mx and they grafted the skin to create a breast. The pics without it are the skin/nipple sparing ones where they basically use your tummy tissue to “stuff" your own breast skin after removing the breast tissue. Feel free to PM me with any questions about flap recon, BMX, NOLA, etc.

    www.breastcenter.com



  • houmom
    houmom Member Posts: 162
    edited January 2018

    NvrGvUp, I don’t have my crap together, I just look like I do!

    No seriously, I have a son on the spectrum like you, and I was diagnosed with a chronic auto-immune disorder a couple of years ago, so I’ve learned to just get on with it. I have been fortunate to have great doctors and surgeons who explained things to me in a way that I felt able to trust their judgement, and I am a researcher, but I know that I am a person who can get too overwhelmed if I look at too much.

    Regarding the implant replacement, I had heard from several friends who got implants cosmetically that they had to be replaced every 10-15 years. I guess none of them have had them long enough to know any different!

  • NotVeryBrave
    NotVeryBrave Member Posts: 1,287
    edited January 2018

    I told my PS repeatedly that I wanted to stay the same. He specifically asked if I'd like to be bigger or smaller and my reply was that I'd rather not have surgery at all and remain the same. But of course - that isn't an option.

    He told me that they would weigh the amount of tissue that was removed and he would use implants that weighed the same amount. My implants weigh more. I was more pissy early on when I had a bunch of swelling and thought they looked like man boobs. My BS agrees that they seem a little wide for my frame, but the PS stands by his choice.

    I've considered swapping them out, but there are no guarantees. Do I really want to go through another surgery? What if I'm actually less happy in the end? And so I wait. And meanwhile become more accustomed to how they look and feel. They are replacement fake boobs, not accessories. They will never be the original equipment - not that the originals were all that at 50 years old and 3 pregnancies later!

    I don't think there's anything you can do about how good your skin or tissue is. The things that affect it the most are probably smoking and radiation. Otherwise, it's kind of the luck of the draw as to how stretchy, pliable, oxygenated it is.

    The warranties on implants cover "unexpected failures" for the most part. They are expected to just sit there and do their job for at least 10 years. I was told that most implants these days will actually last for probably 15-20 years and maybe more.

    I don't have much info on the MRI's. Personally, I don't mind the MRI that much. I worry about a recurrence that no one can feel around my reconstructed breasts since that's all that's recommended to me - follow up with BS every 6 months. I see my MO every 3 months as well but don't think he knows what he's even doing with a breast exam.

    I had a mammogram in November to assess a lump behind my nipple. It turned out to be probable fat necrosis but scary. I didn't think they could even do mammograms with implants!


  • Lula73
    Lula73 Member Posts: 1,824
    edited January 2018

    I’ll weigh in on mri/mammo After BMX with DIEP- I was told no need unless a lump or invention is found.

  • NvrGvsUp
    NvrGvsUp Member Posts: 20
    edited January 2018

    Hi Irwells50,

    Your so very sweet for getting back to me with my endless questions! Thank you!!! It sounds like you handled all of it like a champ! I hope I'm like you.

    I am definitely going.to ask about the Exparel. Which reminds me: I'm hoping Exparel is not in the.lidocaine family. They used lidocaine to numb my breast during the 6 biopsies I had and it didn't work!!! Or barely worked?? I winced in incredible pain and cried!! (I dont cry easily. At all.) I actually cried while the guy took the biopsies and I felt all of itt!!! Through my tears, I kept telling the guy, "I can feel that" so he'd inject more lidocaine and he kept telling me, "you should feel pressure but not pain" and he'd jab that needle or whatever it was further in and all around my breast! The nurse even saw my tensed fetal positioned body, struggling to keep my arm above my head with clenched fists and tears running down my face as I tried my best to tough it out and endure. I dreaded the clack of his tool when it woild take the actual tissue sample! When it finally ended i had a migraine of a headache immediately afterward. I asked the nurse for Tylenol and told her i couldn't leave and drive home without something for my splitting head! I later read online that it's not supposed to be painful while it's being performed. Wth?!! When I saw my BS a few days later when she was checking my incision, I asked her what happened? I told her I felt those biopsies and it reeeeally hurt. Bad. She said everyone metabolizes pain meds differently and apparently I didn't metabolize the lidocaine very well. That sucked! So I have to be sure they use something else.during my surgery. I also found out I am allergic to the surgical tape they put over the incision they made. That sucked too!

    Thanks for the tip about not being able.to get outta bed. I will make arrangements.to have a back support on my bed and a lift recliner in my bedroom just in case, since my bed is really high off the ground. Also going to be sure PS shows me pics of his work tomorrow. I checked his credentials before I met with him the first time and he is a certified micro surgeon so that's nice.

    Because you shared.your experience and advice with me, i feel much better about meeting with my PS and my future surgery! Thanks again!!!

  • Axolotl
    Axolotl Member Posts: 56
    edited January 2018

    Hi NotVeryBrave,

    "He told me that they would weigh the amount of tissue that was removed and he would use implants that weighed the same amount. My implants weigh more." I'm sorry they don't fit the way you'd like.

    After my unilateral mastectomy, my PS told me that the tissue weighed 280 when removed. She used a 210 implant, but now she shakes her head and says, "I really could have gone down to 195." The implant side is a little bigger than the natural side. It's not a huge difference, but if she had actually used the amount removed, 280, I would look really strange.

    Luckily before surgery we had a conversation, and I told her if she was in doubt to use a smaller size, I didn't mind if the implant side was smaller than the natural side.

    My PS told me upfront, reconstruction is a bit of an art, and she's had results she was unhappy with as well as very good results. I appreciated her honesty. She also said her best results were with the DIEP flap procedure, but I was not interested in the longer surgery and recovery time.

  • NvrGvsUp
    NvrGvsUp Member Posts: 20
    edited January 2018

    Hi Mechel5324,

    Thanks for all the information. I'm going to tell my PS I want the same surgical order plan as you. 1.Implant over pec 2. TE over pec and.lastly 3. TE under pec. I am curious.though, you mentioned your PS said you were a good.candidate for DTI over pectoral. What makes a.good candidate?

    Also, what size were you Pre MX vs post mx? I read in an earlier post that smaller to medium sized breasts yield better results for DTI. Do you agree?

    I'm totally going to check out the breast reconstruction thread, thx!

  • NvrGvsUp
    NvrGvsUp Member Posts: 20
    edited January 2018

    Hi ElaineTherese,

    Thanks for the explanaion of Tamoxifen and AI. If they share similar side effects, why did you choose the one that also includes joint pain? As my BS already told me I would need Tamoxifen in lieu of chemo or radiation I want to be sure I want to take Tamoxifen in the first place. I'm.wondering why she didn't offer AI as an option as well?

    Staging being a guesstimate is a very scary thought. My BS told me what stage cancer I had so confidently, she never once said "I think" or "I'll know for sure after surgery". I based postponing my surgery till after the holidays for my kids and family based solely on feeling relatively safe to do so, as I was only a stage 1. To find out it may be more.advanced than a 1 scares me. Well everything scares me at this point lol. I wonder if they're usually more acurate than not though. I'm sure there are exceptions. I'm feeling lots of pressure to get this scheduled and out of my body since it's been almost 8 weeks since my dx and my cancer is invasive. I asked my BS aftwr dx if she was concerned or if I should be concerned with waiting till thw end of Jan. to operate and she said she wasn't concerned. Hmmmm.

  • NvrGvsUp
    NvrGvsUp Member Posts: 20
    edited January 2018

    Hi Sara536,

    What a great intro! 👏👏👏👏 I am really glad you "borrowed my name" to get your point across! So funny in an otherwise un-fumny setting lol. I'm very happy you read my post and responded! I really appreciate you pointng out the draw backs to a total hysterectomy!! With all the talk about whether or not to remove most of the parts that make me female, I seem to have forgotten all about my sex life!!! I'm a tad embarrassed to admit that but wow, its true! Makes sense too! How could my body possibly be expected to behave normally, as it always has after dicing and splicing it. I'm 43 and have had my tubes tied so no more biological kiddos for me but I still enjoy quality orgasms! Doesn't everyone? (They should if.they don't lol)

    I will be asking my female Onco OBGYN on Thurs if it's safe for me to keep my uterus and cervix too? There's some paternal history of ovarian and cervical cancer but its my gma's sisters so I'm not sure if that's enough distance from me or not. l'll have my ovaries and tubes removed gladly but I'll be asking for substantial proof that I'll be healthier without my cervix and uterus. What are some of the alternative surgeries you mentioned? My BS told me I will need to take Tamoxifen in lieu of chemo and radiation but i've read somewhere else that Tamoxifen can cause uterine problems. What problems I don't know but I remember reading it earlier. Did you say an oophectomy could prevent me from having to take the Tamoxifen? That would be nice!

    I'm trying so hard to go over all my decisions carefully. I'm trying to ask all the right questions and be sure I get good answers. I do however feel VERY rushed. I certainly don't feel as if "there's no need to rush so much". I was dx'd in Nov, stage 1. (Which I've just learned today from a contributor to this thread: that staging is really just a.guesstimate 😨) in addition: my cancer is invasive so I hear the clock ticking loudly in my ears non-stop. Coupled with the fact that I postponed my surgery and recon till after xmas for my family's sake, I really feel like my back's against the wall. And getting timely appts with Dr's,.while juggling my work schedule, my family schedule and so on is a task in itself. Somehow I know that I can only do what I can do and that has to be good enough but a coordinator of sorts would be so appreciated! You know, one contact who could arrange the appts and referrals with all the right people in the right time frame. I'm amazed that it's all in my charge to arrange. It's crazy to me since I hardly know anything about what to do and what I need or who to see to get it done. I've learned alot so far but what an experience!


  • NotVeryBrave
    NotVeryBrave Member Posts: 1,287
    edited January 2018

    How about a Nurse Navigator? Some places have one that helps with questions and scheduling. I met with one briefly at the imaging center. She set up my appt with the BS for the morning of the biopsy. I also spoke with another one at a different facility that was associated with my second opinion BS before my surgery.

    Tamoxifen is typically recommended for premenopausal women. AI's have a slight advantage for risk reduction but can only be used by postmenopausal women. If you have your ovaries removed, they may still start you on Tamoxifen and then switch you to AI's after a couple of years.

    I'm so sorry about your biopsy experience! I'd definitely make a point of reminding anyone involved in your care that it was painful for whatever reason. Mine wasn't really painful, but I did cry - mostly from fear and anxiety. I ended up being given an RX for Xanax to use if needed. It has come in handy at times over the last year.

    Also - tape reactions are pretty common and unfortunate. I had surgical glue used at the incision lines and that worked great. No dressings at all!

    As far as staging goes - it's more than a guess, but it's not 100% accurate all the time. Sometimes all of the imaging reveals different measurements for the size of the tumor. Surgical pathology is the final word on size. And nodes need to be examined then as well.

    At almost 2 months since diagnosis, you should probably be moving towards final decisions soon. A grade 2 cancer is moderately aggressive. While it's true that most people don't have to rush into treatment, there's also no good reason to delay any further than necessary.

    I hope your appointment today goes well and leaves you with some peace about your decisions.


  • ElaineTherese
    ElaineTherese Member Posts: 3,328
    edited January 2018

    RE: Your BS and Tamoxifen -- Your medical oncologist (MO) will be in charge of your hormonal therapy, not your BS. Your BS was probably just telling you that you will probably do Tamoxifen because many people do. I chose to take the AI because it is somewhat more effective than Tamoxifen, and I usually don't get many side effects from drugs. If I developed serious joint pain on Aromasin, I would still have options. I could take another aromatase inhibitor (like Arimidex or Femara) or I could switch to Tamoxifen.

    RE: Staging -- Many women do retain their initial staging, but staging isn't perfect. Certainly, different scans showed my tumor as different sizes. The ultrasound said that my tumor was 3.9 cm.; the MRI showed that it was 5 cm. and had a satellite tumor nearby! My MO viewed the MRI as more accurate. My tumor was close to my skin, and it measured 5 cm. with a ruler!

    Best wishes!

  • Meshell5324
    Meshell5324 Member Posts: 54
    edited January 2018

    I hope your appointment goes well today with your PS today! With DTI over the pectoral the skin flap/pocket needs to be able to support the weight of the implant as well as have good blood flow to prevent skin necrosis. So, my PS said I was a good candidate because my small size B cup was still up high and perky, Lol. Even after breast feeding 2 children! I was told that the over pectoral size could go up to a C cup.

  • Sara536
    Sara536 Member Posts: 7,032
    edited January 2018

    I meant to say that it is the decision about the hysterectomy that I think doesn't need to be rushed. That decision can be almost as confusing and complicated as the cancer surgery. If you have been examined and there is no evidence of cancer there, I wouldn't go there just yet. Hysterectomy has been a notorious moneymaker. I read recently (don't know where) that many doctors don't even think a woman's sexuality is important if they are over 50! WTF! Most of them probably aren't even aware of the difference I described. I certainly wasn't. My hysterectomy had nothing to do with cancer. My big concern at the time, and the decision I made were based on the use (or not use) of mesh and the use (or not use) of the morcellator for robotic surgery....VERY BIG controversial subject even if you are not concerned about sexuality. If I were you, I would not get the hysterectomy now any more than I would have a kidney removed just in case it becomes cancerous in the future.

    Sorry about the bold type - it happened when I cut and pasted and I can't seem to change it. It makes it look as if I'm shouting.

  • DiepGal
    DiepGal Member Posts: 12
    edited January 2018

    Hello NvrGvsUp. Your name says it all so kudos to you for opening up and asking the questions. Briefly, I am a 2X-erz; Left side in 2002 with lumpectomy, chemo, radiation + 5 years of Tamoxifen. Diagnosis #2, recurrence in left breast, new BC in right breast so bye bye to "the girls". I had a double mastectomy in May of 2014. I began researching, like you, voraciously for the "just right" plastic surgeon to do my DIEP flap breast reconstruction. Why DIEP flap? Because I wanted to use my own tissue. I found the "just right" surgeon at PRMA in San Antonio, Dr. Minas Chrysopoulo. Google PRMA, Minas Chrysopoulo and you will find a plethora of information about procedures, traveling to PRMA, etc. I traveled over 800 miles from AZ to TX for my breast reconstruction and have zero regrets. Why did I choose them? 1. Credentilas (ASPS board certified) 2. He did a burn research fellowship (who knows more about scar healing than someone who has done added training in burn research?) 3. The number of succesful flap surgeries he has performed 4. He works with another surgeon during the procedure to minimize time for both you and the surgeon in the operating room. I had scar tissue that developed from radiation 12 years previous to my reconstruction. Dr. C removed that scar tissue and replaced it with warm soft tissue. I can lay on my left side now for the first time since my lumpectomy and radiation in 2002. As far as so many sites with so much information... I get it. Some are positive and some, not so much. I am happy to add you to a closed/private Facebook group I administer. I have notable plastic sugeons on the site and women and men who are interested in, currently going through, or are healing from breast reconstruction. I wanted to provide a safe, positive haven for patients to land and share and ask questions about breast cancer, gene mutations, breast reconstruction. Your choice but you are welcome to join. I have written a blog about my lived experience as well coaching those who need help through this overwhelming difficult Journey. PRMA does procedures at Methodist, to name one facility. They have a dedicated floor that women go to after surgery with specialized nurses that care for breast reconstruction patients. Dr. C is a firm believer in a concept called, "shared decision making". He will give you his honest, experienced opinion and then let you become an integral part of the discussion by asking questions and ultimately making the choice that suits you best. They know other skilled professionals they work with daily; breast surgeons, radiologist, oncologist, if there is another procedure you are considering at the same time. I know how difficult this is for you but hope this information helps. All we can do is share our own experiences but do feel free to reach out if you have any other questions. All the best.

  • windingshores
    windingshores Member Posts: 704
    edited January 2018

    I had a BMX and have gone "flat" with no prostheses. But I am divorced and single and older and personally don't care. I do think even if I were younger and/or "with someone" I would go the same route.

    I had a paracervical (regional) block for my BMX and did not require pain meds at all, which meant I felt almost normal immediately after waking up. No groggy nausea in the hospital at all.

    Tamoxifen will be given since you are premenopausal but if you have ovaries removed you will probably go on an aromatase inhibitor.

    I am not sure why the surgeon is so sure of treatment since surgical pathology generally is key, and you will probably have an Oncotype test to tell you what your risks are for recurrence as well as whether chemo would be of any benefit or not.

    Of maybe the biopsy pathology was somehow definitive or you have already had an Oncotype.

    Your cancer so far looks better than it could be, shall we say...maybe stop reading and researching until you have the pathology from surgery.

    Your BRCA makes for more decisions than some of us have to deal with, so sympathies!

  • NvrGvsUp
    NvrGvsUp Member Posts: 20
    edited January 2018

    Hi ladies!

    I've read and re-read all the responses here and I am so grateful to hear what each of you have to share.

    NotVeryBrave: great idea! I am def going to see if there is a nurse navigator, especially since PS told.me today that I have to meet with an anesthesiologist before surgery too?? (Wonder what floor they are on lol)

    ElaineTherese: A MO? I haven't heard anything about one of those. Thanks for explaining! I guess I'll call my BS's office tomorrow and see if she assigns me one of those or what I have to do. Or do I get one after surgery?

    Meshell5324: My breasts are perky and up high as well, they are just a tad flatter than before breastfeeding. I woulda thought the PS would've noted that and offered ideas. But he didnt.

    Sara536 : I'm sold! They can have my ovaries and my fallopian tubes but I think i'll.hang on to the rest. After all, "girls just wanna have fun" right?

    DiepGal: with my time constraints I don't think I'd be able to fly anywhere to have my recon, though it sounds like an amazing place! The surgeins sound dreamy! I would like to join the fb page you administer though, please and thank you. I'm still so very interested in everyone's experiences.

    windingshores: Wow!! No pain meds needed??!!! You're my hero! I'm.def going to ask anesthesiologist about that regional block, Thanks so much!

    Well, today's appt with PS sucked! It was uncomfortable from the get! It felt like he had one foot out the door the whole time, nevermind the fact that he had to reschedule me 2x because he was "called in for emergency surgery" on my appt days.

    I smiled and got straight to it, I know his time is valuable,. When I pulled out my page of questions i could see his lack of enthusiasm immediately on his face (strike 1). I pressed on nonetheless. But! He didn't entertain anything I said!!! He took one look at some page in my file that contained his hand written notes from our 1st meeting and looked annoyed, in my opinion (strike 2) I'm having my boobs cut off and YOU'RE annoyed? I digress.

    I forged ahead and remained my usual polite self regardless, and tried to explain my fears of cutting my pec muscle and he quickly said no. He said he doesn't do ANY recons atop the pec muscle. He said it's a "highly controversial procedure" and he, his partners and the hospital don't condone it. He said it takes waaaay too much alloderm to complete, it carries a huge risk of infection which would require my Imlants to be removed (another surgery) and delay my reconstruction by upwards of a year. He said, to his knowledge, no one in the St Louis area does that procedure, but if I could find one, by all means, go ahead with that surgeon.

    What? Seriously?

    Okaaaay... I continued asking about DTI under pec muscle and he examines me and says, "I can do that but you will be smaller than you are now and you said you wanted more volume and you won't be getting that with DTI" (SMH)

    I tried to ask him about skin and nipple sparing and he said he could do those but the nipple runs a huge risk of dying and if it lived it would most lilely be off center if I went with DTI. He said having the incision under my breast makes it "trickier" because it would compromise my skin flap. First with the incision under my breast then the incision to remove my nipples: the skin flap between the incisions wouldn't be getting as much blood flow which could result in my skin dying. (Huh?? He's a micro surgeon...trickier???)

    By now i'm checking to see if there's cameras in the ceiling corners or hidden somewhere in the room and waiting for someone to come through the door and announce that i'm on some show or something...this can't be happening, this can't be real, right?

    I must've even looked stunned because he stood up, file in hand and went right into telling me about how I needed to decide what is important to me and then to call his office once i've decided. I fired back, "that's why i'm here!!! To get answers to these questions so I CAN make a decision! I'm not in plastic surgery, I have no idea what's what!"

    Well, after that, he just kind of looked at me as though we'd covered everything and he saId he had to go. He reminded me to call his secretary and let him know as he shut the door.

    The minute he shut the door, I threw on my bra and shirt, grabbed my purse and was outta there.

    As I drove home, I decided to call his office, explain/expose him to the very sweet secretary (with whom I've developed a small relationship with from our convo's to reschedule me) and told her I'm just not feeling that guy and I don't think he's feeling me either. She understood immediately and even said, "he's very good at what he does but you gotta 'feel' your Dr" I asked if she could recommend a woman PS in the office and she said she could and she'd do her best to try to get me an appt. I also put a call in to my BS's asst and asked her to pull some strings with the female PS secretary to get me an appt asap so we can get my surgery on the books already! (They're in the same teaching hospital 1 floor away from each other) My Onco OBGYN is 6 floors above my BS's office and the PS's office. I'll be there Thurs so I'm hoping to see that female PS then too. We'll see.

    How about dem apples!

  • NvrGvsUp
    NvrGvsUp Member Posts: 20
    edited January 2018

    Hi Lula73

    I would like to join the fb page you administer. I won't be able to travel to have my recon but I'd love to read up on that page. Thx!

  • Axolotl
    Axolotl Member Posts: 56
    edited January 2018

    NverGvsUp: WOW! I hope you find a PS that is able to give you a better range of options and support what YOU want. It sounds like he is narrowly focused in his practice and unwilling to consider anything outside his little box. His lack of empathy and compassion is unacceptable. You deserve better.

    I had DTI two weeks ago. It was a skin-sparing procedure and the areola was also preserved. There is a small section of skin necrosis in the areola near the incision line, which my PS has been closely monitoring. It appears not to be full-thickness (fingers crossed), which means there is new skin growing underneath it that will eventually replace the part that looks black. Because of the size of my DCIS/IDC, my BS though nipple-sparing was too risky in terms of recurrence and I trusted her opinion, although I was really sad to lose the nipple.

  • NotVeryBrave
    NotVeryBrave Member Posts: 1,287
    edited January 2018

    I'd have to say that it sounds as if this PS is quite busy and therefore perhaps doesn't have time to do anything beyond what is quick and easy.

    I'm all for the expertise of major university settings, but I do wonder if you don't become just more of a "number" there.

    My understanding is that nipples generally only have to be removed if the cancer is in close proximity. The only instance that makes sense for saving them but relocating them would be for someone with a large breast who wants to go smaller, as they do with breast reductions.

    But here's a thought about infection - breasts are not sterile. A nipple is a conduit to the outside world. Those ducts that allow breast milk to be expressed are present.

    I had an infection on the cancer side 5 weeks after surgery. I had to be hospitalized for IV antibiotics for 3 days and then went home on 2 weeks more of oral ones. It was scary because there was the threat of losing the implant.

    But was that really because I had nipple sparing? Because I had an incision under the breast? The other side was fine ...


  • EastcoastTS
    EastcoastTS Member Posts: 864
    edited January 2018

    Tip for when you talk to the anesthesia team. Tell them you get nauseous easily and have them add anti-nausea drugs to your list. It can't hurt and is something I was told often here to do before surgery. I asked at BMX and Exchange. No nausea. (I believe they placed the thing behind my ear -- whatever it's called -- that you can keep on for 2 days. But may have added something else, too, not sure about that.)

    I would definitely look into another PS. Skilled or not, it's a long relationship. Depending upon what you do, you'll be with them for a year or more. Close contact...and you must respect each other, right? I also went to a woman, in fact my entire team is female. Ha ha. You could always find someone who specializes in the surgery you want -- but that may involve travel. I went pre-pec and it's been ok. I talked to 3 PSs and no one wanted to do direct-to-implant for me, which is what I was sorta seeking. To avoid tissues expanders, which were totally doable but not a joyride, you know?

    I also had an infection after surgery and had nipple necrosis. Antibiotics cleared it up. I think it's just the risk with any surgery. (I never heard that skin/nipple sparing causes more infections, if that is what your PS was inferring. But who the hell knows?) Nipples not being "centered" is a real issue. Mine are a little off, where they were not before. I went small, not that much bigger than I was (which was tiny) so it isn't bad. But if I'd gone much larger, I can see that they may be off even more. Also, sometimes one can be flatter than the other (etc) after all this. They do such great nipples now -- if you don't keep them.

    Good luck with all this. {hugs}

  • Mybctc
    Mybctc Member Posts: 26
    edited January 2018

    Greetings. I'd like to know if any of you on tchp had your last (sixth)dose aborted because your onc thought you were experiencing s toxic reaction? Throughout the tchp I have severe diarrhea skin changes excoriated skin on private area. Severe mucostis which made eating and drinking difficult. And LED to dehydration..the need for potassium infusion. Throughput treatment I had three blood transfuions and one platelet transfusion. I would like to have had the last treatment maybe after a delay or at a reduced dose. Have any of you experienced a disruption or abortion of one or more treatment s when. On tchp? I so wished I could have discussed whether there was a way around the side effects so that I could have completed the last dose?how critical do u think missing the last dose is? Breast tumor down from 4cm to about 1 cm. Next is a lumpectomy and herceptin for one year and radiation. Thoughts and reactions being sought. Thanks! Michela riccio




  • Lula73
    Lula73 Member Posts: 1,824
    edited January 2018

    NvrGvsUp- I'm so sorry your appt did not go well. I will throw this out there for you. I know you said youcan't travel to NOLA but what about Chicago? One of the docs from NOLA travels and has practices in 4 states. Chicago is closest to you at about 4 hours. Her name is Marga Massey. Here's her info:

    http://drmarga.com/

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  • Meshell5324
    Meshell5324 Member Posts: 54
    edited January 2018

    Well that stinks. I personally would be “thanks but no thanks”. I would go with a different PS, even if I ended up with the same surgery. I wouldn’t be able to handle that kind of non interest. You do have to see them for at least a year. I do know that DTI over the Pec has not been around long but no one from my team said it was controversial. I’m outside Chicago. I did have to switch hospitals for my surgery but my BS had surgical privileges at the new hospital and didn’t mind the move. This new hospital had some special machine that tested blood flow in tissue. It also uses ultra sound to insert iv’s which was awesome for me. I have hard to find veins-so no poking around. I also had a pectoral block for surgery and did not need pain meds like Norcol. I did use a nerve blocker-Gabapentin, Ibuprofen and Valium along with an antibiotic and a wound Vac. My BS (is a breast surgical oncologist) and PS are both women. They are both young and very well informed on current treatment methods being done at Sloan and MD Anderson. I know this because they referenced studies from both while we discussed my treatment plan I couldn’t do nipple sparing because my tumor was directly under my nipple and as my MO said “the team talked about you at our meeting and you can’t keep it. It’s gotta go”. My PS is not technically a part of my hospital team and had no say in whether I kept it or not. My team consist of My Medical Oncologist, Radiologist, Radiology Oncologist and my Sugical Oncologist. They all talk to each other, sometimes calling each other while I’m there at my appointment. These are extremely busy people but I never feel like I’m not being included and I wish the same for you and everyone going through this. It’s hard enough without feeling dismissed by someone your trusting with your life and your appearance.

  • muska
    muska Member Posts: 1,195
    edited January 2018

    NvrGvsUp, I didn't read all the responses so my apology if somebody already said that. You mostly talk about the plastic surgeon, what about the breast surgeon who does the first part of the surgery, i.e. removes the breast tissue? That person should be experienced in nipple sparing and they usually work with one or two plastic surgeons. Have you talked to your breast surgeon and asked for PS recommendations? Do you trust your breast surgeon?

    I read the account of your most recent PS appointment and it seems the guy is probably not very experienced in what you are asking him to do. I had BMX nipple sparing with immediate reconstruction (expanders) and had no issues with nipples or anything else as a result of that surgery. I had chemo at the same time as my expanders were filled and at the peak of chemo a small inflammation was noticed and promptly taken care of by oral antibiotics. No more issues since. The nipples look great, the incisions are under the breast, very small and absolutely not visible.

    Having said the above I think your PS might have a point about the over pectoral procedure. Generally speaking, I think patients should not tell the surgeon what procedure to perform but rather ask what procedure they would recommend for a particular case and why. There might be many reasons why a particular technique is not suitable for woman A where it is perfectly fine for woman B.

  • mustlovepoodles
    mustlovepoodles Member Posts: 2,825
    edited January 2018

    NvrGvsUp, your visit to the PS sounds horrible. What a self-important jerk! Time to cut your losses and move on. You're about to embark on a long-term relationship with your PS and you need to have fill confidence in them.

    My original PS butchered me. That's the only way to say it. She did a one-step mini recon that was supposed to give me small breasts. Everything that could go wrong did go wrong and now I'm left with terrible scars and no breasts. Her remedy is "I'll just slap some implants in there. It'll be great." Except that I don't want implants. I totally lost faith in her.

    I went to a second PS to discuss my flap options, since i dont wany implants. He wanted to do a lat flap plus implant. Excuse me? Did you not just hear me say "no implants?" When I pointed out that many who have a lat flap are left with chronic pain and muscle weakness he claimed that he had never heard that. Idiot. I know of one of his patients who has exactly those complications, three years post-op! Bye, Felicia.

    At this point my only hope is the doctors at NOLA. They feel sure that they can do a DIEP flap. I know several ladies who have had their flap surgeries with them and are quite satisfied with the results.

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