Not quite a horder - decluttering

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  • NativeMainer
    NativeMainer Member Posts: 10,462
    edited December 2017

    Good going, Vergadoll!


  • Teka
    Teka Member Posts: 10,052
    edited January 2018

    Merry X-mas Eve............

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  • Teka
    Teka Member Posts: 10,052
    edited January 2018

    We're having a snowy, windy and bitter X-mas Day in the North Country!

  • mustlovepoodles
    mustlovepoodles Member Posts: 2,825
    edited December 2017

    Happy Christmas to all!image

  • Teka
    Teka Member Posts: 10,052
    edited January 2018
  • NativeMainer
    NativeMainer Member Posts: 10,462
    edited December 2017
  • mustlovepoodles
    mustlovepoodles Member Posts: 2,825
    edited December 2017

    Thanks. We didn't have a tree this year (you know, being effectively homeless and all), so my DH got me a light-up poodle to take to the cottage we rented at the lake. We had two bedrooms, two baths, full kitchen, and living space big enough to accomodate everyone. It was perfect, all of it. So nice to spend time with my kids.

  • Mominator
    Mominator Member Posts: 1,575
    edited December 2017

    My parents are falling apart, each with their own health issues. Now both are in a rehab facility, with the hopes of going home "eventually." Meanwhile, my older brother and older sister have both lost their housing situations (boarding house closed for him, a divorce for her) and they both moved into my parents' house (with all of their stuff). 

    Since I live out of state, I see my family a few times each year, and my younger brother hosts the entire family at his house to make it easier for my parents. So I haven't been to my parents' house in a few years. I was concerned because there was a home visit by the Social Worker at the rehab facility to see if my father could return home (Mom's health has declined too much). He can't. So this trip, I decided to visit my parents' home as well and see if I could help my siblings help get the house ready for a return home. 

    I was shocked!! My parents' house was already very cluttered a few years ago, with piles of magazines and newspapers that my mom won't release. Now it is truly a hording situation. Every closest, bureau, and countertop is full to capacity with clothes, newspapers, magazines, books, and crap. 

    There are a few treasures in the house, but one can't find them beneath all the crap. Hubby found my wedding dress and veil in one closest. We couldn't find the silk flowers that were probably nearby but under piles and piles of my brother's clothes. We each tried to move a few piles but each got our finger sliced by something hidden in the piles. We washed our hands, and then put Bactine on our cuts.

    Hubby and I took the recycling bin and filled it with magazines and newspapers. We removed about 6 piles from one room. There's so many more piles in all the rooms. Older sister and older brother just watched and didn't lift a finger. In fact, my sister said, "you know, I have stuff to do all day."  I stopped myself from asking/yelling, "Really, what stuff? You don't work, and you barely visit Mom and Dad at rehab!"

    They are nothing more than squatters.

    Now I'm going to redouble my efforts to get my own home under control. I want to enjoy what I have, not drown under what might be. 

  • mustlovepoodles
    mustlovepoodles Member Posts: 2,825
    edited December 2017

    nominate, I truly sympathize. It really is shocking when you realize that your parent has gone from messy housekeeper to full-on hoarder. Its too bad your siblings are making it worse.

  • DivineMrsM
    DivineMrsM Member Posts: 9,620
    edited December 2017

    Wow, Mominator. Just what you didn't want to walk in to. It sounds like you have a lot of work ahead of you. I am sorry your parents are having health issues.

    Dealing with the siblings adds another layer of frustration. When dh and I were working on getting his elderly mother's house ready to sell-she had remortgaged in her old age-his older brother-who-never-lifted-a-hand to help said, "I'd have just let the bank have it." That sib has always been about himself only.

    Best wishes to you as you sort it all out.
  • NativeMainer
    NativeMainer Member Posts: 10,462
    edited December 2017

    Mominator--oh my, what a situation. I can understand you wanting to get their home ready for your parents to return to. And I think your brother and sister should be doing the lion's share of the work, after all, they are getting free housing. Thanks for sharing the story, it's added to my commitment to keep going with the decluttering of my own home, too. So hard to see our parents aging and declining.

  • Jazzygirl
    Jazzygirl Member Posts: 12,533
    edited December 2017

    Mominator- oh sister, that is a hard situation you are dealing with. Maybe some clutter when your parents lived there, but two others with their things moving in would only result in such an overwhelming situation. Too much stuff, not enough room for it all! I hope you can get things sorted out and the place available for your parents to move back in to, if they can.

    Went through a lot with our parents and my heart goes out to you friend

  • Teka
    Teka Member Posts: 10,052
    edited January 2018

    *Happy New Year's Eve* ;o))

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  • Teka
    Teka Member Posts: 10,052
    edited February 2018

    -25*F

    *Happy New Year*

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    Taken from Facebook.

  • Jazzygirl
    Jazzygirl Member Posts: 12,533
    edited January 2018

    I am working on a summary of what was good in 2017, and what I want to keep going in 2018. De-cluttering is one such thing (along with good health, of course....)

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  • Teka
    Teka Member Posts: 10,052
    edited February 2018
  • Vargadoll
    Vargadoll Member Posts: 2,028
    edited January 2018

    love the poem and picture. It's 10 degrees here with a wind chill of -6!

    Got all my Christmas decorations inside put away (all but the tree) outside will have to wait for a little warmer weather...like 30...lol got another run for the thrift store waiting at the bottom of the steps.

    Happy New Year!

  • NativeMainer
    NativeMainer Member Posts: 10,462
    edited January 2018

    Teka--LOL at the poem! Too funny!

    Jazzy--way too much stuff!

  • DivineMrsM
    DivineMrsM Member Posts: 9,620
    edited January 2018

    Greetings of the New Year to all of you. The holidays were nice. Still, I am glad to be getting back to a regular routine.

    I am currently reading a book called What your clutter is trying to tell you. One chapter is discussing emotional clutter, and it is giving me food for thought. I ran into a couple of unprovoked disagreements with two different relatives during Christmastime--in other words, uncomfortable situations arose suddenly without my even understanding why. Here I was, simply going about enjoying the season and then I had to assert myself so I didn't get walked all over. I tend to give more of my time and put more effort into people with whom it doesn't necessarily pay off. They don't value or appreciate what I do. I get little or nothing in return. I hope in reevaluating my actions and my approach, I can learn to use my energies in ways that do not make me feel futile and feel do not make me feel I'm being taken for granted.

    Overall, I did less decorating this Christmas. Too much decking the halls makes me claustrophobic. I let Christmas happen rather than try to manufacture it. I'm happy for the clean slate that January brings.


  • Artista964
    Artista964 Member Posts: 530
    edited January 2018

    my mom likes stuff but isn't that bad. She'll throw stuff out but she loves knick nacks. I don't know how you wouldn't get depressed or claustrophobic in that situation unless you have a huge house to spread it out.

  • Jazzygirl
    Jazzygirl Member Posts: 12,533
    edited January 2018

    Divine- I love your discussion of emotional clutter. Holidays are some of the worst times to deal with family resentments, grudges, expectations and more. I fortunately know those patterns with my family and often don't seem them for the holidays, we visit at other times of the year when their emotional state is not quite so "charged." Holidays are a difficult time for many, but really have had to learn how to be walked on or over end of the year but many unhappy people. I personally have found I cannot do drama in the post cancer world.

    I went to spend Thanksgiving this year with a friend, and said I would only come if we were NOT getting involved with anything around his family (very aware of some ongoing family drama). But alas, despite my creating boundaries with that, something happened anyways. It happened half way through the trip and put a damper on the rest of the visit, but finished it up on a positive note and then said "well we won't do that again, will we?" Not my circus, not my monkeys as my friend Native Mainer tells us on another thread.

    I spent Xmas to New Years where I live minus any family around, and did things I enjoyed and also spent time with friends at two parties Xmas day and also 2 yesterday for NY day. It was just the best time ever. I am always personally glad to be to the new year myself!

    Less clutter, better boundaries, and all the rest for the new year! Keep purging folks!


  • Mominator
    Mominator Member Posts: 1,575
    edited January 2018

    My Dad has been given a discharge date of this Friday from the rehab.

    There's a meeting tomorrow afternoon with his Case Manager from the local Elder Services to make sure everything is ready for his return home (medication, equipment, services)

    Once he gets home, my two older siblings/squatters will be there to "help" him. 

    I don't know if there will be another home study before discharge. Dad has been in hospitals and rehab for the last 10 months. He saw the house briefly during the last home visit/inspection. It probably didn't show during the visit, but my sister has been sleeping in my parents' bed. The room she's supposed to use is too cluttered for her to get to the bed. 

    Hoping all goes well this week, and moving forward. 

  • Jazzygirl
    Jazzygirl Member Posts: 12,533
    edited January 2018

    Mominator- I wish you the best this week. This is a hard situation you are in friend

  • NativeMainer
    NativeMainer Member Posts: 10,462
    edited January 2018

    Mominator--talk to the social worker or discharge planner at the rehab before your Dad goes home and ask for a home health nursing referral. This may already be planned to continue PT and OT at home, nursing can help with medication management, and this will have people trained to evaluate home settings for problems coming in regularly, and intervening if necessary. Having home health services will take the focus and pressure off you while still making sure your Dad's care and health is priority.

  • Mominator
    Mominator Member Posts: 1,575
    edited January 2018

    I appreciate all the support on this thread.

    Jazzy and DivineMrsM: discussions about emotional clutter, family resentments, grudges, expectations, and boundaries and more. I remember the stories as you cleaned out your parents' homes. So sad. 

    Poodles: yes, it's sad that my parents went from messy housekeepers to full-on hoarders. And my siblings have made it worse.

    Poodles and NativeM: it has helped my commitment to clean my house. I'm afraid to become my parents, and worse, I'm afraid my children will also go from cluttered to hoarders. 

    We had a quiet, simple Christmas this year. Hubby is recovering from surgery, so I didn't want him lifting the boxes back and forth from the attic. He did bring down the tree in pieces (clever man!) and the lights, also the Advent wreath. The tree was pretty enough with the colored lights and a few angels.  

  • Mominator
    Mominator Member Posts: 1,575
    edited January 2018

    Yes, NativeMainer, we will be asking about all those services at the meeting. Unfortunately, Case Manager from the local Elder Services had to postpone today's meeting (had his own family emergency).

    Today's big news: My sister, the squatter, just got a cat!

    She posted in our sibling chat that she got the cat. I said a cat doesn't belong in Mom and Dad's house.

    Apparently, she "discussed" getting a cat with Mom and Dad. They had "no problems" with her getting the cat.

    I said that neither parent is probably thinking very clearly at this time. The house is too cluttered for something else to live there. Dad will be tripping over it. A cat costs about $1,000 per year in food, litter, supplies, and vet bills. That money should be going to paying bills and making improvements to make the house safer for Mom and Dad.

    She said that "Animals are great for stress. Cats are especially best for people with heart issues due to stress." Also, "she is my kitty. She is my responsibility."

    I am furious!

  • mustlovepoodles
    mustlovepoodles Member Posts: 2,825
    edited January 2018

    I bet you are furious!  I'm furious just reading this. The last thing your parents need is someone else's pet living in the house. Unfortunatly, your sister has probably bullied them into agreeing with this.  I've seen it so many times. Your parents may not want the pet but they don't want to be the bad guys either. So they go along to get along. Honestly? I have never seen this end well. I know this has to be heart-breaking.

    I'm a big proponent of home health. They can be a second set of eyes, ears, and noses for you. Often parents will hide their worries and failings from their children, especially the ones they know will make a fuss (waving my hand over here!) But they will own up to stuff with their nurse because they don't feel threatened. Parents don't want their kids knowing about their finances or their healthcare and they will go to great lengths to hide things.  I just went through all this with my mother last year and it was just about the hardest thing I've ever endured. 

  • NativeMainer
    NativeMainer Member Posts: 10,462
    edited January 2018

    Mominator--sometimes a simple holiday brings the best memories. I can imagine how furious you are with squatter sibling now bringing in a cat. Do your sibs think they are going to be given the house when your parents pass on? And if so, is that a realistic expectation? I'm asking because I've seen this kind of scenario many times in my career as a Hospice nurse. One of the most common family dynamics we see involves family members who move into the parents' home to help take care of Mom and Dad with the expectation that they will then have a free home to live in when the parents have passed on and are upset to find out that the plan is to sell the home and divide the money or the home is willed to a different person, or that they are then living in a house with a big mortgage that they are required to pay in order to stay there. This actually happened in my own family. I advise you to find out what is going to happen with the home when your parents are gone, so you can take appropriate action now. If the sibs aren't going to be staying in the home the executor of the will may need to give the sibs a written eviction notice before being able to do anything with the home like preparing it for sale or generally cleaning it up. The estate will still have to pay for electricity, heating, utilities, taxes, etc until the sibs move out, unless they are notified that they will be responsible for those costs. If your Mom and Dad aren't able to mentally handle this kind of thing you may want to look into legal guardianship or durable powers of attorney so you can help them with this kind of thing as well as everyday bills and home maintenance. Talk to the social worker at the nursing home, he/she can give you state specific detailed information about such things and give you resources to contact for more help.

    Poodles--too true how parents will go to enormous lengths to protect their adult children from thinking anything at all is wrong. And it makes for horrendously difficult situations for those same adult children in the long run.

  • Jazzygirl
    Jazzygirl Member Posts: 12,533
    edited January 2018

    Mominator- you may have already done this, but getting a good elder atty to assist you and ensure your have the right legal support around this may be a good thing to do. Especially if you have to evict your siblings from the home and for the longer term estate needs.

  • DivineMrsM
    DivineMrsM Member Posts: 9,620
    edited January 2018

    Native, the inner workings of family domesticity has to be a real eye opener in your line of work as Hospice nurse. I am sure you can tell many a tale.

    Mominator, I also suspect your sister is trying to get a reaction out of you by getting the cat. Do you think she wants some attention and likes having the fireworks fly, just a little more to add to the family situation? It seems, too, that she is doing her best to let you know you can't tell her what to do, she will do as she pleases.

    My siblings got on my last wire as we dealt with selling my Dad's house years ago. I found some relief in the views of my son, who was in high school at the time. He didn't have all the emotional baggage I did with them as he saw them as fun loving aunts and uncles. But he also saw their less than good side, and was able to joke with me about it (in private) and it helped lighten the experience. So, if you can find a person like that, relative or good friend, it can be a coping mechanism as you deal with everything.

    And of course, we are here to offer support!

    My mother in law used her youngest--my husband--to make herself look good to the older three siblings. As an outsider, I saw it, but dh thought he was being the long suffering good son. His older sibs thought their mother was doing a terrific job living on her own. Then dh visited her one day and she told him she was in big financial trouble...and not to tell her other kids! Which of course, I told him get right on the phone to them. She ended up filing bankruptcy. But she could sure spin a tall bullshit tale, covering up things that didnt go right.


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