IDC, her-, hr+, 2 node positive, chemo question please.

Zoom123
Zoom123 Member Posts: 11

Just asking if anyone has turned down chemo. I understand 1-3 nodes positive is a gray area for chemo and my visits with the TWO medical oncologists (from the same group) has been like a used car salesman type experience! No offense to used car salesmen! My surgeon originally requested the test and the insurance company denied it because it wasn't used to decide the surgery. Then, the 2nd oncologist requested it and it was denied. I am appealing. I do not understand how the Blue Shield ins company would deny a test that could show the treatment of chemo therapy might not be needed or impact the cancer cells at all. My question is has anyone in a similar situation (idc, two nodes positive, sentinel node micrometastases, her-, hr+) and gone straight to radiation?

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  • OCDAmy
    OCDAmy Member Posts: 873
    edited December 2017

    I have a similar diagnosis. How large is your tumor and what stage are you? My tumor size plus 2 nodes earned me chemo even tho my oncotype was 18. is that the test you were denied

  • LeesaD
    LeesaD Member Posts: 383
    edited December 2017

    I don't know why insurance would deny Oncotype especially with 3 involved nodes. If you don't have the Oncotype your doctors would probably recommend chemo. Without reccurace score and knowing how effective chemo is or not which is what Oncotype tells you, I think doctors would say yes to chemo. Definitely push for it or call insurance company yourself and ask them yourself why they denied it. It could just be a mistake the way it was requested. I know there are people on here who have not done chemo with 1-3 nodes but probably made that decision based on Oncotype score. Maybe see if hey can order a Mammaprint. I didn't have the Mammaprint but lots of people get one. I think it shows just either low or high risk for recurrence whereas Oncotype gives a score.

  • Zoom123
    Zoom123 Member Posts: 11
    edited December 2017

    Thank you so much. I appreciate your opinion and I am going to look in to the mammaprint.

  • Zoom123
    Zoom123 Member Posts: 11
    edited December 2017

    Hi, I had multiple small tumors with the largest at 1.5; as for stage, I'll have to look that up! The sentinel node had small extranodal mestastases, and the second node was contained. The next 13 were clear. I just have not gotten a clear (or any) answer on the basis for the recommendation to do chemo. The first medical oncologist actually said they are basing it on my oncotype....well, funny, I hadn't had an oncotype test! So that meeting did not go well. Then the second dr said we always recommend chemo because of your age. (!!!!)When I asked about the oncotype test he said "Oh did you look on their website?" Seems nutty to me to do treatment on a disease that may not be receptive to it.

    My surgeon said any tumor over 3 would likely need chemo, but that the oncologist makes that decision. Sounds like you are doing very well. Thanks for taking the time to answer!!!

  • windingshores
    windingshores Member Posts: 704
    edited December 2017

    You could call Genomic Health, the company that does the Oncotype Dx test, for advice. They can advise you based on your node status and perhaps also advise you on the insurance issue or work with your doctor on getting the order.

  • Zoom123
    Zoom123 Member Posts: 11
    edited December 2017

    That is a great idea!!! I get the feeling the medical oncology group is way more interested in doing chemotherapy than obtaining all the information available to support the decision. Thank you! 

  • cookiegal
    cookiegal Member Posts: 3,296
    edited December 2017

    I had one positive node and did not do chemo.

    Onoctype is very good about financial assistance. 9 years ago you could qualify if you were in the low 6 figures on income! I would call them they are super helpful. You need the test before making a good decision about chemo.

  • Meshell5324
    Meshell5324 Member Posts: 54
    edited December 2017

    Hi, I had a Mammoprint done before surgery to see if I would benefit from neoadjunctive chemo. Agendia is a great company to work with. A representative called me the day my MO ordered the test. They let me know if my insurance denied it they had a advocate that would call my insurance co (also blue cross) and try and get them to approve it. However, if they couldn’t get my insurance to pay for the test then the maximum I would have to pay would be $500 and I could work out a payment plan. My insurance paid for it so I didn’t need to deal with anything but it was nice to know that Agendia would have helped if needed. Good luck to you

  • Virgo_1970
    Virgo_1970 Member Posts: 11
    edited December 2017

    Hi!

    I was recently diagnosed with IDC, 2B... tests show 2 lymph nodes ‘only’, and I was not given the oncotype either (instead, I had other genetic testing).

    My understanding is that the Oncotype is only proven helpful for those without lymph node involvement only - although I have read that they are doing studies to see if it is an effective tool for those with lymph node involvement. That is probably why insurance denied it.

    Keep in mind that imaging is not perfect; it’s just the best they have now.

    I am having my 3rd TAC chemo tomorrow, and I am sluggish that week, and then quickly start progressing back to normal (or close to it) within a couple of days. Taste is an issue for 2 weeks too...3rd week starts getting better, but then the next round ruins that again.

    No, chemo is not ideal, and I am not that bothered by the hair (it will grow back). I bought a cute wig (bob style close to my own style), and I wear cute hats with the wig too, mostly so people stop staring at me at work (office)...my point is, the purpose of the chemo is systemic... to kill cancer that could possibly be beyond the lymph nodes.

    However, they can’t definitely say ‘only’ 2 lymph nodes until they do my surgery (approx March/April) ... as of now, I am candidate for sentinel biopsy (which helps determine if it’s in the axillary nodes)..

    I hope I helped, because there’s a ton of info out there and it’s overwhelming... I keep a detailed notebook to keep my head on straight.

    Best to you! You can do this! One day at a time... breathe...hugs and ⚡️💪🏻⚡️




  • Zoom123
    Zoom123 Member Posts: 11
    edited December 2017

    Nine years ago! Very encouraging! I appreciate the input. I will call them. All the best to you!

  • Zoom123
    Zoom123 Member Posts: 11
    edited December 2017

    Very interesting! I think it would be worth $500 to know if it would be helpful even if the sentinel node was positive. Thank you for the tips.

  • Zoom123
    Zoom123 Member Posts: 11
    edited December 2017

    Notebook, breeeeathe and hugs! The best things in this new language we are learning. I appreciate hearing about your "real life" experience. Please share how you are doing again soon!

  • mysunshine48
    mysunshine48 Member Posts: 1,480
    edited January 2018

    Hi,

    I just happened to be looking at this thread and saw the comments about Mammoprint. I had it and had chemo and insurance would not pay it. I worked with an advocate at Agendia and ended up paying $300.00. Worth every penny. I made it through chemo over 2 years ago now and have had many haircuts since!!!! No, not easy, but did it and for me, it was the right decision. I got my strength back after a few months and am doing several exercise classes and can power walk 5 miles. I am 69 years old. Be strong and do it and move on!!!!

    Lynn

  • mysunshine48
    mysunshine48 Member Posts: 1,480
    edited January 2018

    Oh, forgot to say that at that time my insurance was Blue Cross, who denied covering the test. I did appeal three times!!!! But worth the $300.00 I ended up paying to Agendia.

    Personally, I would never want radiation, if at all possible!!! I am now a Reach to Recovery coach for ACA and while it is every woman's decision.....for me, chemo is doable and you get over it. The bodily effects of radiation are with you forever.

    I am happy to help you and offer suggestions to help with chemo if you choose that. PM me anytime. My mission is to help other women get through this difficult time in their lives.

    Lynn

  • Zoom123
    Zoom123 Member Posts: 11
    edited January 2018

    Thank you so much! The oncotype test was denied again, and I have an appointment with the chemo dr on Friday. I figure it's only a few months out of a whole life, so I'll go ahead with it. I so appreciate the offer of support and feedback. It's so nice to be able to have "real life" experience to talk over. Those who have made it through then reach out to help others really fill my heart.

  • houmom
    houmom Member Posts: 162
    edited January 2018

    I haven't had chemo yet, but probably will. The idea of radiation was much scarier to me, especially since I'm only 40. Chemo seems to be an awful process but I tell myself that they have done so much to try and make it bearable nowadays, and if I'm honest, I think it's the only way I'll be able to feel like they really got it all.

  • SavedbyGrace1972
    SavedbyGrace1972 Member Posts: 105
    edited January 2018

    Zoom123,

    I like that perspective. It's only a few months out of the years itvwill extend your life!!! Good luck and come to us for support!!! We got you!!!

    Houmom,

    I don't know how I honestly feel about any of the treatments, I just want to be free from cancer!!! My plan is to choose chemo, radiation, bilateral mastectomy and hormones of all will help!!! The only thing I have control over during this nasty illness is the idea that I can control my treatments!!! That's it!! Cancer choose me as it did all of us, but we can choose how we fight it and go forward once we are diagnosed!!!

  • Zoom123
    Zoom123 Member Posts: 11
    edited January 2018

    All in all, it's a short time out of a whole life and it's hard to know the right thing to do. I saw the chemo doctor today and I am moving forward! I almost walked on out but decided I don't want to wonder if there was more I could have done. Houmom, your young age adds another layer of complexity to choosing the right path and please know I am cheering for you in every way! SavedByGrace we do have so many choices! None of us chose to learn this language and I think we are doing great. I even went to a wellness doctor who recommended a book called The Metabolic Approach to Cancer which essentially says cancer uses glucose/carbs as fuel so do the Ketogenic Diet and starve those stinkers. I'm still reading it, then I'll dig for some independent data for sure! I figured I'll look into everything I can, but I am getting close to the deadline to get going on chemo. I so appreciate you all taking the time to communicate with me in the midst of your own challenges and I want to hear how your stories unfold.

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