Not sure I have it in me to do radiation

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Syxx
Syxx Member Posts: 1

Hi everyone,

I joined to post this.

I was diagnosed with cancer in March 2017. I had a large tumour (found it as a golf ball in Feb and by April it was the size of a softball) (stage 3, Her2+) and had a plan of chemo, double mastectomy with lymph node removal on the left side.

I did AC+T chemo, with Herceptin and then surgery August 30, 2017. After surgery and all of the tests that they did on the tissue, they found that chemo had worked far better than expected. No cancer sells were left in my lymph nodes and all that was left in my breast was precancerous cells.

Radiation hasn't been taken off the list yet, but I'm strongly considering it. there's so many factors that are working against it right now. Firstly, the distance I'd have to go. I don't live in the city where I'd be getting treatment. The cancer centre is over an hour away, It's where I've done the rest of my treatments and it's the closest place for me (I live in a small town in Southern Ontario).

I'm also back to work. I missed work. I love my job. It's in my career field and I truly enjoy what I do. I missed it so much when I was off sick for chemo (I had really bad side effects). I felt so much better 2 days after surgery, and with approval of my oncologist I was back to work less than a month after surgery.

I work 9 hour day. Trust me, it's actually a reduction in hours from before. It's fairly sedentary, so I'm not exerting myself, and anything involving lifting, moving things, etc., I have someone do it for me. Technically I work in a factory, but I'm in the science side of it, so there's no factory work involved. I have to work those hours though to make sure I can pay my bills. I'm on my own and don't have any help to survive (I lived with my best friend during treatment, but they had to move, so I had to get my own place a month after surgery).

Now, I'm usually very tired after work as it is. I only have limited resources of energy that I can draw on. The idea of working, driving over an hour away (even if I'm a passenger), then driving back, making dinner, getting ready for the next day, trying to have a little bit of a life (I have coffee with my best friend every day after work), and sleeping at least 8 hours to be able to do it all again, for 5 weeks, exhausts me just thinking about it.

I have panic attacks at the thought of trying to do it. I have broken down and cried multiple times over it. I didn't cry as much when my mom died of lung cancer in Nov 2016, when I found my lump in Feb, or with any of my treatments, as I do over the idea of trying to do radiation. I don't have it in me, physically or mentally.

I also have problems with my heart. The function test thingy (can't remember what it's called) that I had when I had my echo at the beginning said that my heart function was at 51%. The next one after starting Herceptin said it was at 49% and dropping. I'm on 2 blood pressure meds to prop up my heart during this, even though my blood pressure was normal. My BP now is usually 100/60.

Now, seeing as I've had very successful chemo and a double mastectomy, the chances of it coming back are fairly small. I'm worried that the radiation will damage my heart further as it's on the left side.

I've had the tattoos done.Middle of the breasts, upper left chest, under left arm, and middle just under the ribs.

I've cancelled radiation twice now.

I have an appointment with the radiation oncologist on Friday to discuss all of this. Should I tell them everything in here (maybe even print it out?) and tell them I really don't want to do radiation if my risk of recurrence is low enough? Or should I just suck it up, put on my Big Girl Panties (©) and get it over with?


Thanks for reading my ramblings. There's not really anyone I can talk to about any of this. There's no support groups in my town. My family is pretty much non existent in my life (even though they live in the same city as the cancer centre, but that's a whole other story), and my friends are just glad I'm still around and seem to want to pretend that I'm completely back to normal. The only person that I could have really used right now to talk to is my mom, but she's 10 feet away from me in an urn.


I just don't know what to do...

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  • Shellsatthebeach
    Shellsatthebeach Member Posts: 316
    edited December 2017

    Syxx, I'm sorry to hear you're going through this and your mom's passing last year. Have you talked with your doctors to see how they feel about the radiation? I felt I really had little choice since my case was a little complicated. I do drive about an hour a day to get to the center and then about an hour to work. I wanted last appt. but got first. It was very upsetting to me. The good news is I tried to use the time to my advantage. I would grab a cup of coffee or hot chocolate and a treat on the way in. I would listen to my favorite songs and chill. It ended up not being as bad as I imagined. I only have one treatment left.

    My advice would be to talk with your doctors and seek a second opinion if need be. Ultimately, the decision is yours. Wishing you find relief.

  • ReginaZ
    ReginaZ Member Posts: 41
    edited December 2017

    I can really relate to how you feel. I felt the same, but let myself get talked into radiation, even though it provided no survival benefit for me, just a reduced risk of local recurrence.

    Find out what the survival benefit is for you, if any.

    If radiation increases your odds for a long life, I would say to take the risk of side effects. If not, it is reasonable to refuse.

  • Hopeful82014
    Hopeful82014 Member Posts: 3,480
    edited December 2017

    Syxx, I too am so sorry to hear about your mom. Her absence must make this so much more difficult. I also echo what others have said about covering all of these issues with your team. They're important concerns. In regard to your concern about your heart - ask the RO if you heart will actually be in the treatment field. Even with a left-sided cancer it's not a given that the heart will be affected. I was surprised to learn that. Ask about a protocol called "Deep Inspiration Breath Hold" (DIBH) which moves the heart out of the beam if necessary. Finally, there's treatment in the prone position, which can diminish the amount of radiation hitting the heart. It's not appropriate for all women, however.

    I know you said your nine-hour days are reduced hours; is there any way you could work half-days or just 3 days a week for the duration? Is there an option for telecommuting?

    IF your team is firmly convinced that you'll benefit from radiation, I hope you'll find a way to make it work.


  • Meow13
    Meow13 Member Posts: 4,859
    edited December 2017

    Syxx, I would tell you to do what you want to do. If you don't want to do radiation then don't do it. Don't let anyone push you into treatment.

    Good luck.

  • chronicpain
    chronicpain Member Posts: 385
    edited December 2017

    SYXX:


    May I ask how old you are? We do not know.

    We know you love your job. I do not know what your odds are of recurrence without radiation given all your factors -- what have your doctors said? Have you had second or third opinions?


    If the odds are convincing that radiation will significantly prolong your life, calculate how many additional years of job enjoyment you could get that you otherwise might not have, if you could be more sure cancer will not come back, balanced against the risk of hurting your borderline heart and not being able to work because of that ( I do not know what that risk is for you either). Docs can give you best estimates, and you have to have a number you are comfortable with knowing they can be wrong and that there is still uncertainty.


    If the issue is only about five weeks of more misery on top of all you have been through, rather than major worry heart damage will do you in, consider if you could muster resources for a room rental, or airBNB in your radiation town for five werks, where there is also a support group, less the loss of income during that time, so you could have many more years of job enjoyment. Doesn't Canada offer temporary disability or financial assistance for such an expense? Are there no charities that could help? A GoFundMe for funds for staying in town so you would not have to drive? A personal loan?

    The heart damage risk is less certain and seems a greater risk than just getting through some money problems.

    I love my job too, I hate being off work, and I am terrified of having radiation for various reasons and probably will not, but my surgery two weeks ago showed low grade tumor and clear nodes, a better story than yours. I would probably do it if I had nodal involvement, with the hope I would then have many more years of life and work.

    Also, if you have not already, talk to a psychiatrist. You lost your mom, you went through hell, you look at her urn ( maybe put it away?), you are still grieving. Depression may be impairing judgment. Maybe a break for antidepressant management, coordinated with oncology, would be an option, so you could think more clearly. Would a couple months delay on radiation to think this through more, with better mental health management in the meantime make a difference on cancer recurrence? I am not saying your judgment is wrong, just want to be sure you have maximized all options.

    I understand your dilemma, and without a good family or friend or church support system it is hard to muster strength to go through more misery. Whatever you decide, I wish you the best, and people are here online to listen.








  • Jackster51
    Jackster51 Member Posts: 357
    edited December 2017
  • powerthruit
    powerthruit Member Posts: 59
    edited December 2017
    Syxx,

    I know how you feel. I went through an agonizing process to decide whether or not to do it. In the end I did not. I had the unusual situation of a very large tumor, but no nodes positive. That said my radiation oncologist insisted I should do it. I went for a second and third opinion. Get another opinion if you can. The more information you have, the better.
  • Denise-G
    Denise-G Member Posts: 1,777
    edited December 2017

    I appreciate your emotions.

    I had a tennis ball size tumor - Her 2 Pos - could only do 3 months of Herceptin because of major heart issues

    including a heart attack during AC chemo. Left side tumor over heart. I sailed through radiation - never took one nap.

    Had a little crispy skin at the end, but wasn't the end of the world.

    My sister was Stage 3C - had to drive 120 miles round trip each day to Rads. She had a lot of issues as well, but

    she sailed through Rads as well and worked full-time. She had to ask for help..people lined up to take turns driving her to Rads.

    SHE HATES asking for help, but she forced herself to do so re: drive to rads. IT HELPED!

    Now I am 6 years out, she is 2.5 years out...we NEVER have regretted that we did radiation.

    Sending encouragement...and please remember, one of the most emotional times of cancer is after chemo is done.

    You are feeling normal feelings not wanting to do Rads.

    I agree that you should talk to the experts and get your questions answered.

  • HoneyBadger47
    HoneyBadger47 Member Posts: 98
    edited December 2017

    I'm completely withMeow, too.

    Good luck with your decisions.

  • edwards750
    edwards750 Member Posts: 3,761
    edited December 2017

    I third it with Meow. More women are deciding against “medical advice” when it comes to treatment. Its all about quality of life and sometimes the treatment is worse than the disease. It’s not a one size, fits all decision.

    There are doctors who insist their advice is gospel and even though they have the medical expertise it’s not their life.

    Personally I went with radiation because I dodged chemo due to a low Oncotype score. It was easy for me. No real burning and a bit of fatigue. Definitely doable.

    Whatever you decide don’t second guess yourself. It’s your call.

    Diane

  • Racy
    Racy Member Posts: 2,651
    edited December 2017

    I appreciate you are in a difficult situation living far from the treatment centre and needing to maintain your income. Do you qualify for any benefits such as sick leave or disability insurance that might provide income while you are away from work?

    Ask if you would qualify for any of the newer, shorter radiation treatment protocols. I agree to tell your doctor of your concerns. There may be other options you don't know about.

    Good luck with your decision.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited December 2017

    Hello,I can't tell you what will prolong your life, or what won't...we are all so different, and my dx was so different from yours. I had + nodes and wanted rads. But if you have evaluated risks (both relative and total) and benefits, and you still feel right refusing radiation, then go with it and believe that you are doing the right thing for you.

    I disagree that you need antidepressants and to put away your mom's urn. Grieving is a path we each take, and there is no one right way to grieve. There are ways you can self-assess for complicated/unresolved grief but it doesn't sound like you are there. Your mom's been gone only a little while. So many times we see sadness in others because of grief, and others are uncomfortable because most Western cultures don't teach us how to support the grieving. I'm actually doing research on this very subject, and working through the Grief Recovery Workbook right now. My mother died this past August. and my late husband died of cancer in '96, so I know of what I speak: I've got unresolved grief issues, but they are from other losses and not those two.

    I did radiation, and I had a center that was 15 min away from me. Instead I drove 45 min south, one way, for 5 days a week 5 weeks. My late husband was treated at our local center, and I couldn't handle lying on the same radiation table as he did. Both my MO and my RO, after I explained it to them, understood completely why I needed to do that. Luckily both Centers were run by our local regional health care authority so I could go to either. I had rads during the late spring, and I stopped and did a hike nearly every day after my 15 min treatment.

    There are so many different ways to journey down this path.

    Good luck and let us know how it goes.

  • edwards750
    edwards750 Member Posts: 3,761
    edited December 2017

    Mammocite is radiation 2x a day for a week. My SIL did that but she was Stage 0. I was Stage 1b and had a micromet in my SN so I didn’t qualify. Might be worth checking out.

    Diane

  • stephincanada
    stephincanada Member Posts: 228
    edited December 2017

    Hi Syxx,

    I had the exact same tumour type as you, and live in southern Ontario. Radiation was recommended for me, even with a mastectomy. The type of tumour that we had is extraordinarily aggressive. Radiation reduces the risk of recurrence, but I can’t recall how the survival benefit was calculated. Please check with your doctor.

    The question I always asked myself when it came to treatment decisions is this: How would I feel if the cancer came back, and I knew I didn’t pursue the most aggressive treatment option available to me? I know I would never forgive myself.

    I finished radiation 10 months ago, and it seems like a distant dream now. The five weeks will whiz by. I don’t mean to minimize your concerns; they are real and significant. But balanced against dying, I believe that they can be managed. (See the great suggestions from others on this thread.)

    Very best wishes to you.

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