worried for my mom and which stage is this

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adrianheaven
adrianheaven Member Posts: 7
edited November 2017 in Just Diagnosed

hey all, my mom did mastecomy yesterday she had 8mm breast cancer on the left side of the breast , which had spread to axilary lymph node and there it was found metastic cancer and the surgeon removed the axilary nodes . which stage is my moms breast cancer is it stage 3 or stage 4.


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  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited November 2017

    Surgical staging for your mom depends on how much cancer was found in the lymph nodes, and how many nodes were affected. When you are referring to metastatic cancer, was it limited to the lymph nodes only?

  • adrianheaven
    adrianheaven Member Posts: 7
    edited November 2017

    in the lyphnodes it was found 8cm cancer the surgeon cleared the axilary , the surgeon said it was metastic cancer on the lyphnode. yes the cancer was just found on the lyphnode and over extremity

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited November 2017

    What was the tumor size in the breast, and what was the tumor size in the lymph node, and was it just the one node so far? Sorry to repeat the question but your answer contains a measurement that is different from your original post - in the OP it is millimeters and in your answer it is centimeters.

  • adrianheaven
    adrianheaven Member Posts: 7
    edited November 2017

    the cancer tumor on the left breast size is 8mm , and the cancer that has spread to lyphnode the tumor there was 8cm

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited November 2017

    That is a pretty unusual presentation - the reverse is the more likely scenario, but going with what you currently know her stage would be IIA (Stage 2) if nothing changes on post-operative pathology, and no distant metastasis is found.

    Here is Breastcancer.org's description of Stage IIA:

    Stage IIA describes invasive breast cancer in which:

    • no tumor can be found in the breast, but cancer (larger than 2 millimeters) is found in 1 to 3 axillary lymph nodes (the lymph nodes under the arm) or in the lymph nodes near the breast bone (found during a sentinel node biopsy) OR
    • the tumor measures 2 centimeters or smaller and has spread to the axillary lymph nodes OR
    • the tumor is larger than 2 centimeters but not larger than 5 centimeters and has not spread to the axillary lymph nodes


  • adrianheaven
    adrianheaven Member Posts: 7
    edited November 2017

    Mrs, can you explain lyphnodes under armpit area there 20 lyphnodes or more I dont get it lyphnode and if the surgeon clears the axilary how many lyphnodes does he she remove when its done axilary clearmen

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited November 2017

    Everyone has a differing number of lymph nodes in the axillary (armpit) area. Most surgeons, when they find a positive sentinel node and remove additional lymph nodes in an ALND surgery, remove levels 1 & 2. This can yield anywhere from less than 10 to more than 30 lymph nodes. Here is a graphic that may be helpful.

    Image result for axillary lymph node levels


  • adrianheaven
    adrianheaven Member Posts: 7
    edited November 2017

    thanx for the graphic mrs , but Iam stil confused what surgeons means clearing axila or axila evacation does it mean all 30 lyph nodes were removed . or axila evacation means levil 1 axila+ level 2 axila + level 3 axila

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited November 2017

    Generally axillary clearance surgery, or ALND, means the removal of all lymph nodes in levels 1 & 2 of the axilla. If you were given a number of 30, that most likely means that your mom had 30 lymph nodes removed from that area. A number of nodes would remain in level 3. Unless gross (visible) disease is present in the lymph nodes removed from levels 1 & 2, level 3 is usually left alone, as removal of all the lymph nodes can cause other problems post-surgically, such as lymphedema.

  • adrianheaven
    adrianheaven Member Posts: 7
    edited November 2017

    thanx mrs the surgeon did not said how many lyphnodes but she said clearance axilary now I see thats level 1 and level 2 axila, is this stage 2 breast cancer or , breast cancer stage 3

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited November 2017

    Staging works with a combination of breast tumor size and number of nodes positive. Do you know if they have now checked all of the removed lymph nodes in the lab? If no more are cancerous, I believe your mom would be stage II because there is a smaller breast tumor and one positive node. Stage IIA extends up to 3 positive lymph nodes, more than 4 positive nodes would push her to stage III. Here is a complete description of each stage from this website:

    http://www.breastcancer.org/symptoms/diagnosis/staging

  • adrianheaven
    adrianheaven Member Posts: 7
    edited November 2017

    my mom had mastectomy yesterday left breast removed and ALND removed and send to labs it will take 3-4 weeks for results . however the docs were confused to cause Mri scan did not showed any cancer on breast or lyphnodes, so they did mastectomy and after that they say they will have the right diagnose and treatment plan.

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