plastic surgeon STILL trying to push me into TEs
ok so..my breast surgeon, whom I trust a lot, says I will look symmetrical and fine with an immediate implant. But my plastic surgeon is STILL trying to push tissue expanders. He said I will get a better aesthetic result. Even his nurse, who went over the consent forms with me, was trying to discourage me.
WTF?
Then he said at the end of my appointment, ok, we'll do a good job for you.
But how can I be sure, when you keep trying to push me into a totally different procedure than what I'm getting..?
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it sounds like your PS may not have much experience with direct to implant procedures. That’s likely why he’s pushing you toward TEs-it’s what he’s comfortable with. Guessing you’re putting implant on top of the muscle-lots of PSs don’t want to do that. Again experience & comfort level. Did he say how many direct to implant procedures he’s done and have you seen his before & after pics of that pricedure
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No--there are only 2 PS's that my BS works with. 1 is covered under my insurance; the other isn't.
I'm going with the PS who IS covered under my insurance.
However, I did look him up on various websites, and he got wonderful reviews from other patients he's done reconstruction on.
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those patients likely did TEs. I would ask him how many he's done like yours. If you're the first I'd strongly consider switching PSs, switching procedures or switching both PS & BS. From your previous posts I know you model and that makes the aesthetic outcome VERY important. He may be the in network guy but if you're the guinea pig is it worth risking those paychecks down the road vs going with someone out of network with lots of experience and good outcomes?
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From what my plastic surgeon said they don't need to put the implant over the chest wall with direct to implant. I am going for this procedure (assuming my MRI checked iut. The implant goes behind the chest wall, but the chest wall would only cover the top half of the implant. They they use a sling of dead human tissue (everything but collagen removed) to hold the implant underneath.
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I think I'm gonna call my BS on Friday and talk to her some more about my concerns.
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ToughCookie10: yup. They use cadaver tissue.
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I think that's a great idea swg! In the meantime, hope you have a happy thanksgiving!
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You too, Lula!
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FYI, here's a good description of exactly the type of surgery I'm having.
https://www.drkarenhorton.com/breast/reconstructio...
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Please keep in mind that plastics is his specialty not the breast surgeon. I love my BS but I would never take his advice over my PS because that's not his lane. These choices can impact any future revisions surgeries ect.. Take your time and be happy about your choices.
Best wishes,
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Hi Swg, I had a unilateral skin sparing mastectomy with DTI reconstruction over the pectoral muscle. I love the results. But It’s not a procedure that many PS do. When I told my BS this was my preference she told me that she only knew of one PS that had extensive experience with it and I live right outside Chicago. That PS was very honest that although everything looked like I would be a good candidate our plan order was 1.DTI over the pectoral 2.TE over pectoral 3. TE under the pectoral. The major factor in what she would do depended on the skin flap and it’s blood circulation after the breast tissue removal. I could not have a nipple sparing mastectomy so obviously they don’t look exactly the same but size and shape are spot on. I don’t have any rippling or shifting. My recovery was fast and I have full range of arm motion. Scar wise I have a very thin white horizontal line directly across the middle- it’s only been a month so I’m expecting it to fade even more. I hope this helps. I would definitely recommend it but only with the right combination of BS and PS. Good luck
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I can’t stress enough to not make your decision based on who is in network. My sister in law did that with a hip replacement, and the surgeon nicked a nerve and she ended up with foot drop.
You could even travel to where a surgeon familiar the procedure practiced. If that wouldn’t work, I didn’t think the TEs were so bad, but everyone has their own story about that
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Thanks, Meshell5324..that's exactly what I'm having..nipple sparing, though. I feel lucky I'm able to do that. My BS will cut down from the nipple to the bottom of my breast, so my scar will be less noticeable. She seems really confident I'm gonna get a good result, and she's head of breast surgery at Einstein, so I feel comfortable with this.
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Hi irwells50..
It wasn't JUST based on the fact that I don't have to pay out of network for my surgery..he also got very good reviews online, and he's only one of 2 that my BS works with. The other PS would've cost me $5000 and I just really cannot swing that right now..I'm already hitting up every grant agency I can find to try to get money to cover my copays.
Plus I owe the IRS a ton of money due to something my accountant did years ago..ugh
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I had nipple and skin sparing right breast mastectomy on Oct 4, 2017. I deferred to PS for best reconstruction method. The way PS and S made it seem, due to my age low BMI, etc it was a very good idea. I thought it was going to be as easy as they made it seem.
Had tissue expander placed at time of DCIS surgery. It has been a nightmare every day since. I had a surgery 2 weeks due to possible infection and incision site that wasn’t sealing. During that surgery he sealed my nipple as well. Fast forward to today: he says tomorrow we are taking expander out, adding more drains ( he added on 2 weeks ago ) and sewing me shut to heal, then we will try again.
I ask direct questions and still don’t get direct answers to what the heck happened. PS makes me feel like it’s my fault. It almost seems like he is pissed with me!? I am a self employed residential real estate broker who cannot show, sell, make money now for months. If I had been offered the “sew you shut”, come see me at your leisure when you are healed approach to reconstruction I would have opted for it. My nipples were not sensitive so I was happy to keep it or have one created.
I’m upset and feel naive. Wish I had asked more “why” questions of S and PS. I feel like I should not be upset since it’s reconstructive issues and my cancer is gone. But it’s all the time, pain, financial stress, I still am physically restricted and it’s hard to make a bed, drive car, laundry, etc. My kids are like: “more surgery, oh boy we will never have fun again” cuz I am always saying I need to rest and/or I can’t d this or that it will mess up my boob.
I am 45, 5ft 6in and weighed 125lbs comfortably wearing size 4 day of surgery. I have gained 35 lbs, stomach and thighs but I haven’t changed diet. I wear tight size 8 now ( had to go shopping ) and no S or PS told me it would happen but the nurses say they see it all the time after surgery.
I am done ranting. I hope this helps anyone considering NSM to think it though and the opportunity cost vs reward. I wish everyone a safe, healthy recovery as well:)
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TDGraves..I am so confused about your experience..so, they're taking the TE out, and then you'll be flat? why don't they just put in an implant? Nobody is telling you what happened?
Why do you think you gained weight?
I've actually lost weight since my surgery.
I haven't had any problems, knock on wood. I'm getting a fill Jan 2. My PS thinks we can do the exchange surgery after that.
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Thanks for your time reading my issue and your correspondence sharing in return. U lost weight ? 1/8 women getsbrrsaf6 in t. 40lbs
Yes, they are removing the TE tomorrow due to inf3ctiom. They c
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SWG,
* Responded 2 U & just deleted that response /Bluetooth keyboard wasn't typing all letters I pressed*
See responses to best of my ability below:
Q: they're taking the TE out, and then you'll be flat?
Correct but only flat until my skin fully heels itself then TE is placed again ( this is my understanding )
Q: why don't they just put in an implant?
I dont know / i dont think i had the option? ( Guessing cuz there is not enough healthy skin remaining after mastectomy)
Q: Nobody is telling you what happened?
Correct. My first follow up w/ PS after surgery PS was out of town for a week and I was not seen by a doctor until 1- approx days after. I was initially seen by a medical assistant and maybe nexy visit was a "clinical" assistant. The folks holding down the private office while PS is out of town direct me to do "this and/or that" based on the their examination that day.
I dont feel like the PS practice has been holding back info from me. I rather deduce that the PS has no idea why RECON went awry. My main wish for future and others is the PS and S give honest expectations and what to consider with regards to personal choices for same.
It was approx 10 - 14 days after surgery that I first saw PS. Small practice with clear staffing issues; I could feel myself falling between the cracks / I could hear them whisper/ see how they looked at my after surgery breast / I asked and asked what can I do ? Am I doing something wrong?
Regular Office Scenario:
ME "In your experience is "fill in the blank" normal "?
PS (rolls eyes) "It's not, not normal."
Q: Why do you think you gained weight?
ME I have NO IDEA and wasn't expecting it. PS's medical assistant says she has seen it consistently w/post op patients ~ up to 60 lbs. Made me feel lost like " If its common to gain dramatic weight, TELL ME, then I can use the info to make a solid decision for myself.
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swg...I had direct to implant reconstruction and I'm happy with it. I agree that IMO your PS just does not have enough experience doing this kind of surgery. The one thing though is that you want to be bigger than a C cup this is probably not the kind of reconstruction you want. I was a DD and my PS told me the biggest I could be was a full C. It has taken me a while to ge6 used to being smaller bit I'm ok with it now. Good luck and keep us posted.
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For direct implant, I was also told I could not go bigger. Or much. And I was an AA cup before! I only wanted a B -- but had to go with tissue expanders. I talked to three plastic surgeons -- one at MD Anderson -- and all agreed on TEs if I wanted any size difference. I pushed for direct but nada. Your skin and muscle I believe simply cannot manage the larger implant right off. I did nipple-sparing, too.
Could you perhaps look into a 2nd opinion with another PS? Or let this one remove the TE, then go to another for opinions and perhaps more discussion about your options?
I'm SO sorry this has gone badly. I had a post-op infection and nipple necrosis -- and if it had not cleared -- removing the TE was the only solution. It did clear -- but I agree that doctors downplay possible complications with reconstruction. However, I'm happy with mine and would not have deviated had they gone over complications in more detail (I don't think). Ugh.
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If you do decide tes check out aeroform I'll see if I can find the thread.
It would be the only way I would do tes
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I had my surgery Nov 28, ya'll. PS said he brought 12 implants into surgery and didn't like the look of any of them.
Anyway, the TEs haven't been as bad as I feared..just uncomfortable.
I get a fill Jan 2nd. He thinks I should only need 1 fill (I have small breasts and not going larger)..exchange surgery should be around Feb., I think.
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