It will be 20 days out on Monday and no results

cathybee1
cathybee1 Member Posts: 21
edited January 2018 in Waiting for Test Results

First diagnostic mammo came back no problems. A week later my doctor's office called and said I needed a biopsy. Fast forward to now. Breast center said 3-4 working days for results. At 5 days, they said tomorrow. At 6 days, they said tomorrow. Yesterday they said first thing this morning. This morning they said at 4:00. Now they're saying Monday. This is a Breast Cancer Center of Excellence btw. Losing my optimism to say the least. They said they didn't send the biopsy out. The explanation is they haven't been able to round up another pathologist to sign the report.

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  • Beatmon
    Beatmon Member Posts: 1,562
    edited November 2017

    if they don’t give it to you Monday, ask for the practice manager

  • Outfield
    Outfield Member Posts: 1,109
    edited November 2017

    That's long, and it's cruel.

    Is this a freestanding breast center or part of a bigger healthcare system? If part of a bigger healthcare system, do you receive care from anyone else in the healthcare system? In my case, the radiologist who did my biopsy made it clear he was leaving town before the pathology report would be back, but that a resident would call me. Well, didn't happen and didn't happen. I left a message for my primary, who is in the same system and had access to the report, and she contacted me with the results. I could've also called the NP who ordered the diagnostic mammo and US, but I was pretty sure it was cancer and was more comfortable hearing it from my primary.

    And please do complain. Especially if this turns out to be benign, and you don't have to deal with the trauma of a cancer diagnosis, please take time to let higher-ups know this was NOT acceptable. In the US, I think you could safely say it's not within the normal wait time.

  • cathybee1
    cathybee1 Member Posts: 21
    edited November 2017

    it's particularly stressful because I had ankle surgery the day after and yesterday came down with the flu. But I'm really upset that they kept moving the goalpost. Why even do that? How long should it take to get the results back of 1 small cluster of microcalcs done with a stereotactic core biopsy?
  • ShetlandPony
    ShetlandPony Member Posts: 4,924
    edited November 2017

    It should only take a few days. This is inhumane. Option 1: Set aside some phone time and politely insist on speaking to a nurse or patient advocate to make sure the desk people aren't just giving you lip service and putting you off again. Tell the nurse or advocate that it has been 20 days, and that it is unacceptable that you should have to wait any longer. Option 2: Stage a sit-in. One time I went to the oncologists office and told them I must have my results today and would wait there until someone could see me and give me the results. Then I sat down on a chair near the desk. Lo and behold the oncologist's nurse came out and gave me the results I needed. Option 3: Go to the medical records office, fill out the forms, and get a copy of your report. You have a right to your medical records. Only do this if you are ok with reading it on your own without being able to immediately ask questions.

    I'm sorry you have had to endure the stress of a long wait. Please let us know what happens if you can.

  • gb2115
    gb2115 Member Posts: 1,894
    edited November 2017

    Ask for the office manager, especially if you are getting the run-around from front desk staff.

    Other option is to let the ordering physician know what's going on. I work closely with a physician group, and often things like this result in the doctor picking up the phone and calling a colleague directly to see what's going on.

  • gb2115
    gb2115 Member Posts: 1,894
    edited November 2017

    Also does your breast center have a nurse navigator? Mine was able to bring all the info up as soon as it hit the computer and was able to (behind the scenes) walk over to pathology to ask them for an ETA on my results.

  • ShetlandPony
    ShetlandPony Member Posts: 4,924
    edited November 2017

    Yes, I agree with gb. Any doctor of yours, and maybe a nurse as well, has great power to get through the barriers. You just have to get to them somehow.

  • windingshores
    windingshores Member Posts: 704
    edited November 2017

    I went in person to the pathology lab and talked with people there. This was for a different issue (lost sample needed for second opinion). I found that getting to know the assistants in the lab really helped expedite things for me.

  • leaf
    leaf Member Posts: 8,188
    edited November 2017

    I know its absolutely horrible to wait. It makes you crazy to keep on moving the 'goal post'.

    You do NOT want them to make a mistake reading the biopsy. The pathologist is the person who diagnoses breast cancer almost all the time.

    From what I hear, normally its pretty easy to tell the difference between invasive breast cancer and something less. It can be difficult to diagnose things in the non-invasive breast lesion category.

    The longest I remember seeing on these boards was a person who waited several months. They sent her slides to another institution to get a 2nd opinion and didn't tell her.

    I work at a hospital, and currently they are in a hiring freeze, and just aren't filling some shifts in my department. Perhaps they don't have a pool to pick from during the holidays.

    There could also be a shortage of physical equipment. I work in a hospital pharmacy, and there is a nation wide shortage of many medications due to the hurricane in Puerto Rico (in addition to the regular shortages.) Shortages can last for days to years.

    This makes it really hard for the patient. We all want to know the answer so we can deal with our lives. Let us know how it goes, OK?




  • MelissaDallas
    MelissaDallas Member Posts: 7,268
    edited November 2017

    Also, if you read the original post, it HAS NOT been twenty days since biopsy. It has been twenty days since her diagnostic mammogram. Nine or ten days since her biopsy. Sometimes additional staining, etc delays biopsy results

  • cathybee1
    cathybee1 Member Posts: 21
    edited November 2017

    12 days since biopsy, 9 working days assuming they turn off the lights on the weekend. At the time of biopsy, they said 3-4 days for results. My doctor's office has been communicating with them. When they didn't make it by the end of the 4 days, doctor's office called on day 6 to put a stat on the order, Thurs pm when doctors office called to check, they said "First thing Friday morning," then "Friday afternoon by 4:00." Why even do that? The doctor's office works with them (a hospital breast center) a lot. Yes, there could be a lot of reasons for the delay but it would be better if they could have said they're short staffed or whatever and left it at that.

  • leaf
    leaf Member Posts: 8,188
    edited November 2017

    You're sure right, cathybee. It would have been much better if they didn't make promises the did NOT keep. Especially when there are multiple factors involved. (I'm sure the person who answered the phone was not a pathologist who could verify your biopsy slides.) You have every right to be angry.

    Hang in there. We're here whenever you want to vent.

  • cathybee1
    cathybee1 Member Posts: 21
    edited November 2017

    Called doctor's office today and asked for a status. "Awaiting a stain." Wtf?

  • Beatmon
    Beatmon Member Posts: 1,562
    edited November 2017

    Makes me think Code for we lost your sample for a few days...but now we are going to do it!

  • cathybee1
    cathybee1 Member Posts: 21
    edited November 2017

    My Doc just called. They have not finished the biopsy. Need another pathologist to verify and he won't be in until the end of the week. But, they told my doc they found some kind of atypical cells which could require anything from just wait and watch to surgery +. He wanted to refer me to a surgeon right away but I asked him to set me up for an Oncotype first. So it will be at least another week until the biopsy report comes in. But at least I know it's something I will have to deal with.

  • MelissaDallas
    MelissaDallas Member Posts: 7,268
    edited November 2017

    "Atypical cells" usually refers to atypical ductal hyperplasia, atypical lobular hyperplasia or lobular carcinoma in situ, none of which are cancer. That also agrees with what he is talking about wait & watch or excisional biopsy. I hope that is all it is.
  • cathybee1
    cathybee1 Member Posts: 21
    edited November 2017

    Thank you, Melissa. This site is such a godsend.

  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 19,603
    edited November 2017

    cathybee, probably going to get flack for this, but Oncodx score ?????/. Read enough peoples tags that were low scores that had met'sd. Me score 30 with a ploidy of "unfavorable outcome". Indicators would be mets early. Still here. It's a crapshoot in 2017. Further down the road, it won't be.

    Many have given you great advise.

    The reason she can't pick it up at medical records is it isn't signed yet. The facility has a two pathologist slide review rule. Good rule.

    I agree with everyone make calls to navigator and management. Unacceptable delay at 12 days. Unacceptable.

  • ShetlandPony
    ShetlandPony Member Posts: 4,924
    edited November 2017

    Grrr. If they don't have a pathologist available, they need to send the slides to a place that does.

  • BarredOwl
    BarredOwl Member Posts: 2,433
    edited November 2017

    I don't understand the discussion of/ request for an Oncotype test IF the sole finding is the presence of "atypical" cells (e.g., atypical ductal hyperplasia (ADH), atypical lobular hyperplasia (ALH)), or if the diagnosis is LCIS.

    These particular atypical (ADH, ALH) conditions and this non-invasive condition (LCIS) are NEVER assessed with an Oncotype test in current clinical practice.

    _____________________________

    General Information:

    There are two types of Oncotype tests for breast cancer:

    (1) The DCIS test:

    For those with pure Ductal Carcinoma in situ ("DCIS") treated by breast conserving surgery to inform decisions about whether to add radiation to lumpectomy.

    - If there is no DCIS identified, but solely atypia and/or LCIS, then radiation is not even on the table and the test is of no value and is not used.

    - Patients treated with mastectomy are not "eligible" for the DCIS test.

    - Patients who have any invasive disease (in the same breast), no matter how small (e.g., T1mi or microinvasion), are currently not eligible for the test, because it has only been validated in patients with pure DCIS. Because of this, the test is typically performed after the pathology from lumpectomy confirms pure DCIS (pathologic Stage 0 disease).


    (2) The Oncotype Test for Invasive breast cancer (e.g., Invasive Ductal Carcinoma ("IDC"), Invasive Lobular Carcinoma ("ILC"), and/or certain other types of invasive breast cancer):

    For certain patients with INVASIVE breast cancer that is hormone receptor-positive (ER+ and/or PR+) and HER2-negative (regardless of type of surgery received) to inform decisions about whether to add chemotherapy to endocrine therapy.

    - This test is designed to inform decision-making regarding chemotherapy (i.e., whether a patients should receive endocrine therapy alone OR endocrine therapy plus chemotherapy).

    - Under current guidelines, chemotherapy is NEVER used in patients who do not have invasive breast cancer. Therefore, this test is of no value and is not used in those who solely have ADH, ALH, LCIS and/or DCIS (no invasive disease)

    - Lymph node status is an element of "eligibility" for this test, so in those with invasive breast cancer and a surgery-first treatment plan, the test is typcially performed after surgical treatment (lumpectomy or mastectomy and lymph node biopsy).

    BarredOwl

  • BarredOwl
    BarredOwl Member Posts: 2,433
    edited November 2017

    By the way, it can sometimes be difficult to distinguish between ADH and low grade DCIS. See for example:

    Elmore (2015): "Diagnostic Concordance Among Pathologists Interpreting Breast Biopsy Specimens"

    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2203798

    It is important for the pathologist to get it right, because clinical management of these conditions differs. Sometimes, at the appropriate time, it may be worth seeking a second opinion pathology review at an independent institution, such as an NCI-designated Cancer Center (confirm in network). Actual slides are sent overnight for review by another pathologist.

    Best,

    BarredOwl

  • leaf
    leaf Member Posts: 8,188
    edited November 2017

    I totally agree with BarredOwl : It is important for the pathologist to get it right, because clinical management of these conditions differs.

    When I sought a 2nd opinion for my biopsy slides showing ALH and classic LCIS to a local NCI-designated Cancer center (less than 20 miles away), it took more like 1-2 months to get the results back. It took about a week for my local hospital to 'select the slides to send over'. Maybe for people with invasive cancer and/or DCIS they do it more quickly because time is more important for them than for people with LCIS/ALH. Also, the clinical treatment for LCIS is not very different than for ALH. (Some pathologists combine the two groups and call both ALH and LCIS as lobular neoplasm.)

    The longest I've seen posted here is a woman who had to wait over a month - ?3 months - for her INITIAL biopsy diagnosis, because her slides were equivocal, and they sent them to another institution to get a 2nd opinion. (It wasn't invasive breast cancer or DCIS if I remember correctly.)

    In some samples, particularly if they used a small-bore needle, the cells can become distorted through friction and make it very difficult to read by a pathologist. If the sample is mishandled (for example, if they don't dehydrate the sample adequately), then this can also make it hard to read. (I don't know if this ever happens: I assume much of the process is mechanized now?)


  • cathybee1
    cathybee1 Member Posts: 21
    edited November 2017

    Thank you, leaf and Barred Owl, for all the information. Excellent suggestion about a second opinion on the pathology, especially if this one is ambiguous. My biopsy was stereotactic with 6 samples. I am in no hurry to rush into something at this point. I am 69, had 2 surgeries in the past 6 months (not cancer related) and just got the stitches out for the second today. I will be glad to talk the women's health doctor next week.

  • cathybee1
    cathybee1 Member Posts: 21
    edited November 2017

    It took exactly 3 weeks after biopsy to get the results and it sounded like it took some arm twisting. I was diagnosed with focal atypical lobular hyperplasia and columnar cell hyperplasia. It is a difficult report to understand. 3 pathologists from the same practice signed off on the diagnosis though. Relieved it is atypical lobular hyperplasia and not ductal. My women's health doc who went over it wanted to start me on a course of Tamoxifen right away. I am not ready to take that on, I started weaning off HRT last week. I am going to follow up with an oncologist about the next step. I will be going to the same oncologist as my husband, so I already have a relationship with her. I will discuss getting a 2nd opinion pathology report with her since this took such a long time and I suspect there was some disagreement along the way. My doc also ordered a BRCA test though no cancer of any kind in my family history. I also suspect an excisional biopsy may be in my future as there were another group of microcalcs close to my armpit that they did not biopsy. I have no idea what's going to happen, but glad I have some time.

  • cathybee1
    cathybee1 Member Posts: 21
    edited November 2017

    It took exactly 3 weeks after biopsy to get the results and it sounded like it took some arm twisting to get it by today when I had my doctor's appt. I was diagnosed with focal atypical lobular hyperplasia and columnar cell hyperplasia. It is a difficult report to understand. 3 pathologists from the same practice signed off on the diagnosis though. My women's health doc who went over it wanted to start me on a course of Tamoxifen right away. I am not ready to take that on as I started weaning off HRT just last week. I am going to follow up with an oncologist about the next step. I will be going to the same oncologist as my husband, so I already have a relationship with her. I will discuss getting a 2nd opinion pathology report with her since this took such a long time and I suspect there was some disagreement along the way to the diagnosis. My doc also ordered a BRCA test though no cancer of any kind in my family history. I suspect an excisional biopsy may be in my future as there were another group of microcalcs close to my armpit that they did not biopsy. I have no idea what's going to happen, but glad I have some time to sort this out.

  • cathybee1
    cathybee1 Member Posts: 21
    edited January 2018

    To close on this one, I got the results back as Atypical Lobular Hyperplasia and Columnar Hyperplasia. Pathology was concordant with radiology. I had a breast MRI December 29th and meet with a breast surgeon on January 4th to discuss the findings and where we go from here. I would have liked to meet with an oncologist first, but scheduling didn't cooperate.

  • Silbar
    Silbar Member Posts: 163
    edited January 2018

    Thankfully you finally got your results! Yay! I hope the MRI results will be ready fir the BS meeting and that you can finally get some answers as to a plan of care. Good luck and keep us posted.

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