Canadian method (16 treatments) even after chemo

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Canadian method (16 treatments) even after chemo

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  • Brightness456
    Brightness456 Member Posts: 340
    edited November 2017

    Hi everyone. I had mapping today for radiation therapy. My ROsurprised me by telling me he'd just read an article on how MD Anderson has had success with the Canadian method (16 treatments) even after receiving chemo and he immediately thought of me. I met all other criteria (lumpectomy, small tumor, no node involvement and over 50), but because I've done chemo I wasn't going to be eligible. Well now I am eligible!

    I wish I'd asked for details on the article he read. I googled a bit, but couldn't find anything. Has anyone else heard about this? It means I'm getting another step closer to putting this ordeal behind me (I still get herceptin every third week for the rest of the year), but my jaded mind is now worrying.

    I appreciate any information anyone can offer. I'll call his office if I have to, but thought I'd try here first.

  • Brightness456
    Brightness456 Member Posts: 340
    edited November 2017

    Thanks KB870. I’m not interested in researching another therapy at this point and I don’t think they do brachytherapy at my cancer center anyway. Hopefully someone here will know about this new criteria for shortened radiation. If not, I suppose I’ll have to call to ask for details

  • IntegraGirl
    IntegraGirl Member Posts: 147
    edited November 2017

    I'm Canadian and just finished round 2 of my 16 scheduled radiation treatments. I finished my primary chemo on Aug 1 although I am now taking Xeloda (2/8 rounds completed so far).

  • Sam0623
    Sam0623 Member Posts: 110
    edited November 2017

    Only getting 16 treatments would not apply to me for several reasons, but I am getting radiation at M.D. Anderson and my RO mentioned yesterday that instead of getting the 33 treatments we originally discussed I may only need 30 because as long as my skin holds up he can start to increase my dose at the end- so I still get the same total dose, just over less visits. He mentioned they had done a lot of research in this area recently and have found stronger treatments are usually well tolerated and just as effective.

  • Brightness456
    Brightness456 Member Posts: 340
    edited November 2017

    Specialk, I saw that article, but it doesn’t address people who have had chemo, so that can’t be it. Typically the protocol for short term rads was only for people that hadn’t had chemo. I don’t seem to be doing any of this whole BC thing like anyone else. I guess I’m going to try not to worry

  • etnasgrl
    etnasgrl Member Posts: 650
    edited November 2017

    I did the Canadian method, although I'm not sure the age requirement you mentioned is correct as I was 41. 

    I had all my cancer care done at MD Anderson, including the radiation. It was really a piece of cake. You are given the same amount of radiation as someone going through the "traditional" 33 treatments, only each treatment is more dose dense, meaning you get more radiation in each treatment. My RO told me that they are finding the skin holds up much better with shorter, dose dense treatments. As for me personally, I would agree. My skin did become pink and hot to touch, but no burning or blistering. 
    Not sure what else you need to know, but I'll be happy to help if you have any further questions. Smile

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited November 2017

    I don't meet the criteria you listed, but I did have 15 treatments and 4 boosts after chemo. Is it called the Canadian method/protocol in Canada? In any case, my skin held up well.

    Try this link to see what others have written:

    https://community.breastcancer.org/posts/search?ut...

  • Brightness456
    Brightness456 Member Posts: 340
    edited November 2017

    Serenity, thank you! After some digging at the link you provided, I found a legit article that stated it’s safe for patients that have had chemo. That puts one more nagging little fear to rest. Whew!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited November 2017
  • octogirl
    octogirl Member Posts: 2,804
    edited November 2017

    I had the Canadian method...I told my RO I was interested due to distance between my home town and radiation center (didn't want to do that commute any more than necessary), but he wasn't sure I was a candidate, NOT because of the chemo, but because of size/location of tumor and breast size (apparently side effects can be greater with that method in larger chested women). However, while he isn't physically located at Stanford, he has a Stanford affiliation, so he ran my case by the entire Stanford radiation Board and they said sure. I didn't research it at all but figured if it was ok with the Radiation Dept/Rad Board at Stanford that was good enough for me...

    by the way, I did have a fair amount of redness and skin peeling. However, once I was done it healed very quickly.

  • VLH
    VLH Member Posts: 1,258
    edited November 2017

    I had the 16 sessions after chemo. My RO said that she thinks it's only a matter of time until insurance companies refuse to pay for the longer protocol in node-negative patients absent documentation that more sessions produces Superior results.

    My treatment has been filled with detours, delays and complications, but other than pain from my encapsulated / frozen shoulder, radiation treatment was relatively easy for me. Be prepared for some fatigue and brain fog toward the end. You can do this!

    Lyn


  • Lita19901
    Lita19901 Member Posts: 211
    edited November 2017

    I am almost finished with the Canadian radiation treatment protocol and it has gone well. Three years ago I had the longer, lower dose protocol and it about killed my shoulder, so I was delighted to cut down the number of sessions.

    I did find this go round to be very fatiguing and also harder on the skin, but I'm still glad I chose it.

  • Cowgirl13
    Cowgirl13 Member Posts: 1,936
    edited November 2017

    I had 19 rounds and was so easy. My skin was fine (I practically poured on the aquaphor 3x per day). No peeling, just towards the end there was redness but nothing really. And I had radiation after I finished chemo. Good luck.

  • tlfrank
    tlfrank Member Posts: 199
    edited November 2017

    I'm about to begin this course of treatment too. Initially the RO said 33 doses, but then yesterday at my simulation I was told it would be 16 whole breast followed by 5 targeted right at the tumor site.

    Fingers crossed that I will have minimal side effects too

  • bevin
    bevin Member Posts: 1,902
    edited November 2017

    This is confusing to me. Most tx in USA if you have chemo also include rads.  I've never knowm someone who didn't have Rads if they had chemo.  I know many, who had Rads only as they didn't need chemo, but normally both are given together here.

  • VLH
    VLH Member Posts: 1,258
    edited November 2017

    Bevin, generally if no chemo is recommend, it's for a DCIS or Stage I node-negative diagnosis where the likely benefit from chemo doesn't outweigh potential side effects. Radiation might still be used because it discourages local or regional recurrence, but, for many women, has limited long term damage. I hope I've explained that correctly.

    Lyn

  • runor
    runor Member Posts: 1,798
    edited November 2017

    I had 16 zaps in a Canadian cancer clinic. I was with people who were also having 16 zaps, or 28 or 33. None of us could really figure out the difference in treatment.


    I had some pretty impressive burning and breaking open of skin under my boob. It was worst in the two weeks after rads ended. And pain. And developed a pointless, dry cough that I still have almost 4 months later. And lymphedema. But there are others who sailed through with flying colours, so there is no one way this will go for everyone.

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