Starting Radiation November 2017

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  • kowgiirl_up
    kowgiirl_up Member Posts: 7
    edited November 2017

    Ellyn27, I was told by both my Breast surgeon and my Rad doc that I could color my hair. I haven't done it yet but plan on it here (hopefully) this weekend.

    I'm off to my first appointments here in a bit. I don't like being exposed and handled by people but what can you do?

  • AngelaJL
    AngelaJL Member Posts: 94
    edited November 2017

    OCDAmy, yes similar to getting a massage, but not as comfortable or relaxing!

  • Ellyn27
    Ellyn27 Member Posts: 147
    edited November 2017

    Angela JL - I was due for my flu shot and asked the surgeon before my lumpectomy if it was OK to get. They said it was fine. But I got the flu shot about 2 weeks prior to lumpectomy, not during radiation. You should probably ask one of your docs. Not sure they'd want other chemicals going on during radiation, which is why I asked about hair dye.

  • Linwentz
    Linwentz Member Posts: 133
    edited November 2017

    Dodgergirl, I am as far along as you... today will be treatment #10. Interesting how we have been told something slightly different from our RO in terms of lotions, deodorant, etc. I was advised not to apply anything 4 hrs. before treatment, then a light cream (like Miaderm or calendula) following treatment and then later in the day and finally a slathering of Aquaphor at night.I might try the green tea compresses. Do you just seep a green tea teabag, soak a pad in it and then apply? Sounds easy enough. Anyone else try it?

    I also don't have any SE yet... probably too early yet. Is it somewhere in the halfway mark that the skin begins to react? Like everyone else, I want to keep the damage to a minimum. That is my deepest wish for all of us! Happy Friday

  • DodgersGirl
    DodgersGirl Member Posts: 2,382
    edited November 2017

    Linwentz-- the green tea concept was posted by someone from the May 2017 Rads group and posted again in the Aug 2017 group. I boil water and use 5 ounces of it to make green tea. Add 2 bags green tea to the water and steep at least 30 mins. I do steep longer. Then squeeze the tea bags to get all the liquid out. I make this tea on Sundays, Tuesdays, and Thursdays I keep the tea in a container in the refrigerator. When I go to rads I take a ziplock bag with 3 cotton pads and a really small container with tea. After rads (mine are in the morning) I take a cotton pad and get it wet from the tea and apply that to the radiated surface. Then do the same with pad 2 and then pad 3. Then I do this 2 mire times during the day.

    My RO said the only clinically proven lotion to help rads was the calendula oil And that once I start showing signs of rads, the aquaphor at night may be helpful.

    RO approved the green tea treatment, too

    Maybe one reason for different advice on lotions is whether or not you are getting bolus or not?? Boosts ornot???


  • OCDAmy
    OCDAmy Member Posts: 873
    edited November 2017

    I am curious about the positioning (laying on back or stomach). I also had two positive nodes so I am thinking that I will need to be on my back in order to also radiate that area. I plan to ask a ton of questions at my appointment. I am mostly worried about the possibility of lymphadema and that my skin will be damaged or the expander damaged which will delay my exchange surgery. My PS says she thinks my skin looks good now and that I likely won't have any issues. Is anyone else getting rads with expanders?

  • Linwentz
    Linwentz Member Posts: 133
    edited November 2017

    Dodgergirl, I asked my technicians this morning during treatment if they had ever heard of applying green tea and they both said they had never heard of it (& they both have been working in the field for 10+ years!) They said they have heard women share that they apply cabbage!!! Never heard that one before. I am going to give the green tea a whirl... Thanks for the directions

  • lifechoices2017
    lifechoices2017 Member Posts: 242
    edited November 2017

    I will be going for my medical and radiation appointments next week (my history; just turned 49 (oct 28th) mammo sept 15th; digital 19th; biopsy 21st; confirmed 25th... mri Oct 11; SNB and Lumpectomy Oct 19th)... HR/PR+ and HER2-... BRCA/negative and Mammaprint/low risk... what life changing 30 days (BUT GOD)!

    Can someone help with any suggestions on deodorant? lol

    Not sure of my rads treatment yet, will know more next week... but im adding this to my fav post to stay up to date on others that just recently started. prayers lifted for all during your journey.

  • tlfrank
    tlfrank Member Posts: 199
    edited November 2017

    Linwentz - My RO gave me the green tea instructions at my initial consult with her so I'm definitely giving it a go too.

    lifechoices2017 - My RO said as long as I apply it at least 4 hours prior to TX it would be okay as long as it's not uncomfortable to apply. She didn't specify a brand that was okay, so I assumed I wouldn't have to change mine - (Secret). If you're concerned about the aluminum content you could consider a natural brand such as Tom's of Maine.

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  • lifechoices2017
    lifechoices2017 Member Posts: 242
    edited November 2017

    Ok, kewl... yeah because ive used Dove or Suave all my life but now since the surgery Im only doing my left armpit (lol) and nothing but just showering under the right. Im not an aggressive sweat..er... but i can tell at the end of some of my days there's a slight stickiness from the sweat. Not alot of odor, but more like sweat odor...hard to explain. But thanks. Just trying to get my hygiene lined up for the coming weeks.

    I saw your post on the tea bags and actually saved it to my email for the rads treatments. Ive saw a few w/aquaphor, aveeno, aloe and miaderm so will see what works best.

    Again, i havent started yet, but its soon to come (prayerfully lessened weeks) since my pathology reports came back as they did....will keep you posted.

    Any information, tips, or whatever you can give would be great. Im not asking you to be the 'guru of rads' but having someone to give any information is extremely helpful to a newbie.

    Thanks again!

  • OCDAmy
    OCDAmy Member Posts: 873
    edited November 2017

    I switched to using Native Deodorant and I really like it. It is aluminum and paraben free and works great. I bought some for my daughters who both used Toms in the past and they said it works better. They have lots of different scents but I like the coconut vanilla the best. You have to order online.

  • lifechoices2017
    lifechoices2017 Member Posts: 242
    edited November 2017

    Thanks! Ive added all of this to my favs for my 'shopping' reference! I really appreciate you all feed back...

  • DodgersGirl
    DodgersGirl Member Posts: 2,382
    edited November 2017

    Linwentz- my RO had not heard of green tea either but ok'd me to try it. Then we will both have an idea if it helped!

    The green tea suggested was posted by llamalady. She had very good luck with it.

  • 53nancy
    53nancy Member Posts: 497
    edited November 2017

    Hello, everyone. I guess I am joining your group, too, and am thankful for some of the excellent suggestions I have read. I start RADS on November 20th, and will have 16 treatments. Nothing was said to me about boosts, but I was told to stop using antioxidant supplements from a week before RADS start to a month after. My cancer is Stage 1, nodes clear (Body and Chest-Abdomen-Pelvis Scans clear), but at this point I am NED. So I refused chemo. My surgeon told me radiation is a must because of a very narrow margin of 0.1 mm when the lumpectomy was done in July, but I am surprised it is to be such a short course. I guess I will be nervous about it until I have my first treatment. Because of the Triple Negative status, I won't be able to do hormone therapy. I also am having an MRI of my brain early tomorrow morning.

    Wishing all of you the very best in your continuing journey and hope you do well through your RADS.

  • lifechoices2017
    lifechoices2017 Member Posts: 242
    edited November 2017

    53nancy, continued prayers on your journey. I go for my MO appt Nov 6 and RO appt Nov 9..im guessing my rads will soon follow. Diagnosis confirmed Sept 25, MRI only this one spot. They thought 1cm... Surgery was Oct 19 lumpectomy about 2.5cm, clear margins and nodes. BRCA negative and MammaPrint low risk; but im 49 yrs old, HR/PR+ Her2- . My surgeon said I may have a short rad time as well and maybe partial breast, but did not want to say for sure until I had my official Onc appts. I'll continue to follow your post on the 16sessions. Prayers lifted ...team winning...!

  • DodgersGirl
    DodgersGirl Member Posts: 2,382
    edited November 2017

    I am not a RO and I do not play one on tv ..... but thought I would post that there has been recent studies released that BC patients who had a lumpectomy may only need 16 rad treatments instead of the longer 30 treatments so that may be why some of you are only scheduled for 16 rad treatments now

  • lifechoices2017
    lifechoices2017 Member Posts: 242
    edited November 2017

    Dodgersgirl I love your sense of humor. You have alot of valuable info for us newbies so although you are not casting in ChicagoMed, we thank you for sharing. Again, I don't know if mine will be shortened my surgeon was just 'thinking maybe.

    And while I have you here, can you tell me appr how long is a rad session; not including set-up and all. Also, one post stated not to apply any apply creams prior to the visit but to start lotioning your skin faithfully 3xs a day like a week before and drink plenty of water.

    Another post someone said she applied cream an hour before going and right at the end of the session....help!

    Guess I'm just nervous on what to expect day one to day...whateber. Thanks

  • 53nancy
    53nancy Member Posts: 497
    edited November 2017

    lifechoices2017, I am continually amazed at how quickly things go through in the U.S., if that is where you are. I had my suspicious mammo in April, needle biopsy in May (benign), lumpectomy in July (tumor was 1.2 cm), and I was told I wouldn't have to do chemo, just RADS, probably partial breast. When I got the TN status in September, I was told yes to chemo and RADS. SN results did not come in until Septemb, but after that everything moved fast. The scans, the visit to Cancer Care and Radiation Oncologist (both this week), but I was told full breast. I am 64. I hope everything goes as you hope and will have you in my prayers also. And so thankful for these forums where we learn so much from each other; definitely team winning!


  • lifechoices2017
    lifechoices2017 Member Posts: 242
    edited November 2017

    53nancy, omg... my timeline was amazing!

    Mammo 9 15, Digital Imaging 9 19, Biopsy 9 21, Surgeon Consult 10 2, MRI 10 11 and Surgery 10 19... BRCA and MammaPrint results all in... and yes both MO and RO this week...it was like a whirlwind of days but I thank God for the best med team. They care and they talk it out with me. I'm single, never married no kids but my wonderful guy in my life and my family and friends are the best support ever. No-one wants this news but im thankful to be surrounded by a great support team. Still I'm anxious and nervous on this journey but God is a healer and I'm just moving on this path completely with Him as my guide. I've already had my followup scheduled for Jan 24 2018 so by then I should be on meds. Again, I'll continue to keep an eye out for you and your wellness journey. God's Blessings.

  • DodgersGirl
    DodgersGirl Member Posts: 2,382
    edited November 2017

    lifechoices2017--ref your question about applying lotion or not before rad treatments, I would recommend following the advise of your RO as they know their equipment and see the results of those rads.

    My RO told me that calendula oil was the only skin treatment that clinically showed it made a difference and so he recommends I apply it 1 hr before a rad treatment and again later in the day.

    I have also gotten different advise about taking anti oxidants during rads. Was told as long as the dosage is not a high, super dose that it was ok to continue taking them.

    RO also said he has found that aquaphor in general is a good treatment for dried out skin and so he recommends I use aquaphor at bedtime (I plan on wearing a man's sleeveless tshirt to bed when I hit the aquaphor stage so I don't ruin my sleeping attire) when my skin starts to become itchy/dry.

    I know for me, the first 2 weeks were uneventful. Go daily, do rads. Rinse and repeat the next day. But the effects will soon appear and will continue for 2 weeks after rads.

    There is a great post here from a lecture from an RO about how rads "burns" are different from thermal burns. What is happening with rads is it is killing cells (like chemo), good and bad cells. So as our outer layer of skin sloughs off, there could be missing skin cells in layers below as the body can't generate new skin the same due to rads. So this missing skin that works it's way up to the surface is part of the rads damage. (I have paraphrased what was said, again I am not an RO!)

    Reference your question on how long the treatment takes-- from the time I walk into the room with the machine to the time I am walking out, 2 1/2 songs have played (music is played for the patients at my center) I think the time I have arms over my head is about 5-7 mins. During that time, the techs are in and out making adjustments (because I have bolus treatment which you won't have)

  • 53nancy
    53nancy Member Posts: 497
    edited November 2017

    DodgersGirl, can you tell us where we could find that lecture? Thank you.


  • Linwentz
    Linwentz Member Posts: 133
    edited November 2017

    Dodgergirl is correct, In Canada, they have been doing a shortened radiation treatment for years. I am linking an article I found on the BreastCancer.org site. ) http://www.breastcancer.org/research-news/20100210b as well as another one from the American Cancer Organization https://www.cancer.org/cancer/breast-cancer/treatment/radiation-for-breast-cancer.html. There are many other articles on the topic as well.

    Ironically, it was my BS who told me about the "Canadian method." I was really excited because I definitely wanted the shortened treatment (hypo-fractionated) My feeling was that a shorter treatment would lessen any side effects and even though I am retired, I wasn't thrilled about 34 entire mornings taken up by rads! I asked my RO about it when I had my initial consultation with her and she said I was not a candidate because my tumor was larger that 1-2 cm ( I hate to quote her on the exact size because I don't remember for sure.) She went on to say that the Insurance Company is requiring her to tell patients that it is an option and I had to sign something that said she had told me about it.

    Actually, rads goes by pretty quickly. I have already completed 10 treatments and I have (sort of) gotten used to the drive. Even though I had DCIS, it took the initial lumpectomy plus two re-excision surgeries to get clear margins. And I am ER/PR- so I will not benefit from any hormone therapy, so it is up to rads to wipe out any stragglers! What I am seeing is not a one size fits all treatment plan; rather an individualized plan based a myriad of factors.

    Next time I will count the songs that are played. I am in and out in about 20 minutes. The longest time is having the techs get me in position. On Monday, I plan to bring my little brew of green tea. I will have to remember to lock the changing room door, because it might take a little longer to apply it and "the next customer" walked in on me on Friday!

    Enjoy your week-end!

  • Linwentz
    Linwentz Member Posts: 133
    edited November 2017

    53Nancy, here is the link to the article about radiation "burns" I read it as well and it was very informative. I am sort of in "research mode" so it was easy for me to do it. Sorry if I have overstepped, Dodgergirl.

    https://community.breastcancer.org/forum/70/topics/783321?page=19#idx_569

  • OCDAmy
    OCDAmy Member Posts: 873
    edited November 2017

    What is a bolus and why would one need it? I've seen it mentioned but don't understand what it is.

  • 53nancy
    53nancy Member Posts: 497
    edited November 2017

    Linwentz, thanks so much. I now know more than I did. I think that I was just so tired when I saw the RO and wasn't taking in things very well. Some things came back to me during the night last night. Anything to get through this. We are fortunate here in Manitoba that, though it seems to take longer to get things done, everything is covered by health care. We often just go along with what our doctors tell us, but I have learned the last couple of years to become very proactive in my own health; thus, I have gotten certain BP meds and diabetic meds down to a lower dosage and am proving that I am keeping good levels. Have a great weekend.



  • DodgersGirl
    DodgersGirl Member Posts: 2,382
    edited November 2017

    Linwentz- thank you for posting the link! I have trouble getting links to work from my phone and not always at my laptop!

    I found that entire story very interesting

  • DodgersGirl
    DodgersGirl Member Posts: 2,382
    edited November 2017

    OCDAMY-- typically rads go thru the skin into the interior areas which is what most people need. I also had LVI (means my tumor had vascular involvement so cancer cells could get into blood stream as well as lymph nodes) so the rads need to impact my skin, too. In order to get rads to not just pass thru my skin, they put on bolus that acts like skin so rads go thru that and into my skin, hopefully killing any left over cancer cells in my skin.

    While I am not thrilled with having radiation, I firmly believe rads are my best shot at surviving breast cancer. And so I come here to learn and share how to get thru this leg of the journey

  • Linwentz
    Linwentz Member Posts: 133
    edited November 2017

    Well said, DodgersGirl ( the part about not being thrilled about receiving radiation but firmly believing it is our bestshot of surviving this ordeal.) And thank goodness there is a forum for us to learn, share and support one another. You all help me get through the day!

  • 53nancy
    53nancy Member Posts: 497
    edited November 2017

    I agree, Linwentz. I find it’s difficult to deal with the negativity and awkwardness of those who are uncomfortable with talking about Cancer. In these forums, I feel comfortable and encouraged and so much more positive about everything. DodgersGirl, keep strong! Hope everything goes well

  • PauletteK
    PauletteK Member Posts: 2,205
    edited November 2017

    Hi DodgersGirl..... I’m lurking here because I should be finish chemo on 11/10, will take few weeks off then I start radiation. I might not start in November, possibly December.


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