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  • TWills
    TWills Member Posts: 679
    edited October 2017

    Hi all, I'm confused yet again. Today, lol, I'm confused by an article I saw about Mindy Cohn, Natalie from the old TV show Facts of Life. She said she was diagnosed with breast cancer in 2012 and that after undergoing BMX, chemo, and rads the cancer metastasized and kept spreading and coming back. The article concluded with saying that she was now cancer free. My question is if that's possible? Every time I think I understand the realities of a BCdiagnosis something like this article comes up and I'm confused all over again. I feel like what the article meant was NED but that's not what it said and it's confusing.TIA


  • dlb823
    dlb823 Member Posts: 9,430
    edited October 2017

    TWillis, this is what happens when non-medical writers write about mbc. They just do not understand it. Mindy Cohn, from what I can gather, may be NED or NEAD at the moment -- the most accurate term for "in remission" -- which means cancer is not detectable at the moment on imaging. This is not uncommon, especially if it was in a very limited area. However, once someone has had mbc, with the exception of perhaps 1 to 2% of us (as counted by conventional research; there may be more cases not counted), no one is ever truly cancer free -- as in totally over it. Sadly there are most likely still mbc cells in her body, most likely hibernating or sleeping or hiding out until something sparks their proliferation again.

    Hope this makes sense. And your question is an excellent one, much discussed on FB today. Hugs, Deanna

  • TWills
    TWills Member Posts: 679
    edited October 2017

    Thanks dlb823, that's what I thought I was understanding. This is why BC is so confusing and discounted sometimes, just get treatment and "cure it". The "awareness" this month is really bugging me. I'd like a BC fact to follow the word awareness every time I see it, I'm sickness of that word being used alone. JMO


  • saranoh
    saranoh Member Posts: 1
    edited October 2017

    Hi, This is my first post. I found out my mom was diagnosed with Stage IV a few months ago. It has been really difficult. The chemo she is on now makes her pretty sick for like a week after treatment. She doesn't like to share a lot of information, and I try to respect what she wants to share, and to be there for her in any way I can, including listening to her and talking to her when she is struggling with her down days and being excited for her when she has her good days. I hope this question doesn't come across as selfish, because what I'm wondering is if it's still ok to talk to my mom about my problems. She was always my person, we talked every day and she gave me advice and supported me through everything in my life. Since being diagnosed, we talk less because she doesn't feel well. I live far away from her. I had some relationship stuff happen and I really want to talk to her about it now, but I don't want to burden her with my problems when she is going through so much. Basically, I guess my question is, is it still ok to talk to my mom about what's going on with me, or is it too much of a burden with everything she is going through with her cancer?

  • chrissyb
    chrissyb Member Posts: 16,818
    edited October 2017

    Hi Saranoh, welcome to BCO. So sorry to hear that your Mom has been dx Stage IV.......it's a hard place to be. Hopefully your Mom is repporting to her onc just how badly she feels as there are many meds that can ease the side effects and make treatment a little easier to bear.

    As a Mom to two daughters who was and is their sounding board for life's ups and downs I'm sure your Mom would still want to maintain your relationship. I would always check with her as in, 'hi Mom, are you feeling up to a little d & m?' If her answer is yes go ahead but keep it short as her mental agility could be slowed down a bit by the chemo. Just go with how she is feeling as I'm sure she would be heart broken if your relationship were to cease.......no matter how badly we feel, we always want to he there for our kids and as stage IV, we want life to go on as normal as possible.

    Hope this helps a little.

    Love n hugs. Chrissy


  • Leapfrog
    Leapfrog Member Posts: 464
    edited October 2017

    TWills..... I agree with dlb823. I go as far as not reading articles or watching documentaries by non medical writers. All they do is confuse the public and dlb is right. Oncologists say that BC, once metastasised is not curable. It is treatable. I was told there will be no such thing as what is usually termed as remission for me but, hopefully, we can bring the extensive bone mets I have under control. If this writer's cancer had metastasised and was still spreading, I'm pleased that she believes she is cancer free but I agree with dlb on that score as well. Sadly, she would be NED which doesn't mean remission or cured.

    saranoh...what a special daughter you are. No, it's not selfish to still want to talk to your mother. It's very thoughtful of you to seek opinions on it before you do and I admire you for that. Of course, it does depend on the sort of person your mother is and how she's coping with her diagnosis. At the moment she would still be in shock and disbelief. I wrote about this on another thread. I'll see if I can find it for you and re-post it here. If I don't re-post it, it will be because I can't find it. Basically, what I found was that, with a Stage IV diagnosis, you go through a similar process to that which you go through with grief: shock, disbelief, denial, anger and not necessarily in that order. You might be in more than one state at the same time as another. It takes a long, long time to get to the acceptance stage so you will need to understand that that's what your Mum (I'm an Aussie, I say Mum) is going through right now. That's just some background for you because she will seem distracted at times, partly or mainly due to feeling ill but also just the disbelief that this has happened.

    I have a 29 year old son and we're very close. He's always come to me for advice and he's my best friend so likewise I confide in him. I have been very ill for the past year. I was diagnosed Stage IV with bone mets a year ago but despite that we still talk about his problems because it's very important to me that I'm still his Mum and I intend to be there for him as long as there's breath in my body. I'd hate for him to feel he's burdening me if he talks to me about his problems. I encourage it and in that way nothing has changed. In fact, I find it takes me out of myself to have him talk to me. I don't want anyone to see me as being "different" now and I still encourage all my friends to confide in me the way they always have done; otherwise I would feel isolated and unwanted and I'd hate that. I would feel as though I'd been cast off and redundant and I'm far from that. In fact, having cancer has given me a wisdom that is beyond any I had before (says she, modestly haha). Perhaps you could broach this subject with your Mum. Tell her what you said here; that you will always be there for her, no matter what, and that you want to share this time in her life with her, then ask her if she feels up to still being your confidante because you still need her support and advice. I hope it works out for you.

    Hugs

  • toomuch
    toomuch Member Posts: 901
    edited November 2017

    I sustained a fall last week and had liver trauma for which I was admitted to the ICU and then transferred to a different hospital. I've remained in the ICU for 9 days but 3 days ago finally felt well enough to ask my husband to gather together my CT scans and reports that I had brought from the first ED. He asked for them so that I could keep copies at home. Of course, I read the report and after 1-3 commenting on intra-abdominal bleeding #4 states, solitary lytic lesion in the head of left femur. Correlate with previous studies or suggest bone scan to evaluate for metastatic disease. I was floored that no doctor had brought this to my attention. I sent off an e-mail to my oncologist who after 3 days, has still not responded. I have had migratory joint/hip pain ever since I've been on Arimidex but I don't think that I ever had previous imaging of my left hip. I'm trying to stay calm because whatever it is, was there last week too, but after 3 days of silence from my MO, I'm starting to freak out. I left a follow-up message with his nurse today and still no call back.

    I guess I'm just looking for some support as time is standing still. Thanks...Toomuch

  • Peregrinelady
    Peregrinelady Member Posts: 1,019
    edited November 2017

    Too much, the hopeful part is where it says correlate with previous studies. Maybe it has always been there and no one thought to mention it because it hasn't changed. As far as your oncologist's office not answering, I think I would go there in person and insist on some kind of answer. Please keep us posted.
  • toomuch
    toomuch Member Posts: 901
    edited November 2017

    I guess the problem is that I haven't had any previous studies. My MO doesn't believe in general screening for recurrances. I'm still admitted to the hospital for my liver trauma so I can't go to the oncologists office. I'm going to just have to wait and schedule an appointment in 2-4 weeks when I'm able to follow-up...

  • dlb823
    dlb823 Member Posts: 9,430
    edited November 2017

    Toomuch, that sounds like a pretty nasty fall! Since we're friends beyond BCO, I'm going to message you right now. But I had a similar experience when the report for some diagnostic imaging I had called out significant suspected liver mets. Thankfully, I knew I have a liver hemangioma, and when they got ahold of a past PET done several years ago for another concern prior to bc, it was there. Hopefully, this will turn out to be a similar pre-existing artifact, which is why it's never come up in he past. But I'm going to PM you.

  • siddhivinayak
    siddhivinayak Member Posts: 78
    edited November 2017

    Hi to everyone.My Mom became too fat after treatment.She looked as if she is 7 months pregnant.And also she had pain in both hips .Is abdominal fat related to some illness.??She also get muscle twitches 1/2 times a day.I am terrified.

  • dlb823
    dlb823 Member Posts: 9,430
    edited November 2017

    Katie, I'm sorry your Mom is dealing with these issues. Many of us have dealt with bloating caused by our treatments, and weight gain can also occur, especially if treatment has altered her habits, including how much exercise she's getting. Are the stats shown on your post yours or hers? If they're hers and she was treated in 2015, then she should absolutely report any lingering concerns to her onc, so that he or she can decide if some sort of imaging would be helpful to see what's causing the hip pain, for example. Beyond that, it's hard to comment with such limited information, but I would also be sure she's taking a good probiotic supplement. Tummy issues result from chemo destroying all the bacteria, good & bad, in our stomachs and intestinal tracts, and that takes a long time to rebuild. This is where a good probiotic can be helpful. Also, depending on your Mom's age, the things you mentioned can also be simply menopause related. Her onc and/or GP really needs to help her figure out if there's a cause beyond age and/or lifestyle changes. Deanna

  • siddhivinayak
    siddhivinayak Member Posts: 78
    edited November 2017

    Thnq dlb. Yes the stats are of my mom's.She is having pain on touching the side of both hips. She had a ct scan of abdomen and pelvis in august which was clear.She had a very small nodule on her lung,which doctors said is nothing to worry about.

  • mtucker6784
    mtucker6784 Member Posts: 2
    edited November 2017

    Hi, my wife was diagnosed with stage 3 breast cancer in december 2016 (she was 33 this time last year.) She has gone through all the treatments, like: chemo, herceptin because she's Her2 positive (I think is why she is on it?) and perjeta while she was doing chemo. She had a double mastectomy done on June 8th and had a decent recovery.

    In early October, her right side pelvis bone area really started hurting. She describes it as if it's a bruise, and when she moves in certain twists/turns, that it feels like someone is kicking her on the bruise. When this started happening is when she was working outside a lot, but she stopped for a few days which made the pain lessen, but never really went away per her description,

    There are days where it's fine, days where it's not fine. More often than not, she mentions it bothering her (she's a pretty strong fighter, so it takes a good amount of pain for her to say something like that.)

    The thought in both of our minds is: Did the cancer already spread to other areas in her body? The pet scan she had earlier in 2017 showed that it was in 7 or 9 (don't remember which for sure) of her underarm lymphnodes (left breast.) The other scans and blood tests that have been performed haven't shown a tumor marker increase. There's another Pet scan coming up at the end of the month, but the anxiety is killing us.

    Based on what I described, does it sound like her cancer did spread to other origins of her body? like we got it too late? I know everyone knows what I want to hear, but I wouldn't mind hearing an objective opinion favoring one side or another.. She has no other "stage 4 symptoms" that I've read, "just" this pain near her pelvic area.


    thank you for any insight

  • Peregrinelady
    Peregrinelady Member Posts: 1,019
    edited November 2017

    Mtucker, is your wife on a antihormonal medicine, such as tamoxifen or Arimidex? Both of those meds can cause hip pain or pain anywhere in the muscles and joints. I had an injury to my hip years ago and it never hurt again until I started Tamoxifen. The first reaction is to think, "Oh no, the cancer is back." Usually, if you wait it out a couple of weeks, the pain lessens or goes away. I have had a few scares, but then figured out the cause of the pain, usually related to some activity that I don't normally do or from the meds. For example, I had fairly severe hip pain once and it turned out to be bursitis. Try not to stress too much and keep us posted. Best wishes!
  • Falconer
    Falconer Member Posts: 1,192
    edited November 2017
    I second Peregrine's thinking. Antihormonals exacerbate any injuries I have; since you described her outdoor work I too wonder if it isn't an injury that is aggravated by increased joint pain. Does ibuprofen help?
  • mtucker6784
    mtucker6784 Member Posts: 2
    edited November 2017

    Thank you Peregrine and Falconer, I appreciate your responses! I wasn't sure if this thread was still actively monitored after so many pages :-)

    She's not taking any hormonal stuff right now; although I believe she did in september/october, but I don't want to be quoted on that. She will be starting low doses of "effexor"(sp?) because her OBGYN said that can help with hormones as it seems like the Chemo treatments put her in post menopause symptoms and is now experiencing hotflashes.

    The thought of "cancerw that doesn't mean that's what my wife is experiencing, it does fit along those lines. Is it a chronic condition?

    is back..." is definitely a huge concern for us, and I really agree with your sentiment, Peregrine. Thank you for your bursitis comment, while I kno

    Thanks again you two!

  • Yaelle
    Yaelle Member Posts: 53
    edited November 2017

    Dear all,

    First of all, I would like to apologize for my English.

    I'm new to this forum, and not sure whether I should be considered stage III or IV (I couldn't get a clear answer to the question from the doctors so far).

    I was diagnosed with a ductal infiltrating breast tumor (almost 6cm) in april 2015. After neo-adjuvant chemo (may - october), surgery and radiotherapy till feb.2016, I received preventive hormono-therapy (femara).

    However by end september 2016, a strange spot (which I first thought to be an insect bite) appeared on my abdomen. After a new surgery, I started radiotherapy again. But before the end of the sessions, new spots appeared, this time on the left breast. I started other hormonal therapies, and even a targetted therapy (which seemed to work for 2 or 3 months). Now the skin mets are exploding and extending to the right breast.

    Last week I received first injections of Faslodex. As so far none of the hormone therapies worked, I'm not sure this one will make a difference.

    So I wandered whether there were other patients with skin mets ... and whether I should raise this question here or under stage III ?


    Thank you



  • cive
    cive Member Posts: 709
    edited November 2017

    Yaelle, If you have skin metastases, some people would refer to you as stage IV although that isn't quite true.  But any cancer that has moved from it's original location to somewhere new, means they don't have a systemic cure for it.  I've seen skin metastases referred to, but I don't quite remember where.  If you do a search you should be able to find them.  Good luck  

  • dlb823
    dlb823 Member Posts: 9,430
    edited November 2017

    Yaelle, I don't know much about skin mets, but Johns Hopkins, one of the premier cancer treatment centers in the US, probably does, and they have an on-line forum for answers from their health care professionals. I think, but am not sure, that they might also do long-distance consultations, especially since you are outside of the US. Here's a link to a page for asking a question, and there's also a phone number where you might find out if they do telephone consultations for a situation like yours. I am sure you have wonderful doctors in Belgium, but Johns Hopkins might be able to answer some of your questions your doctors have not.

    http://www.hopkinsbreastcenter.org/services/ask_ex...

    I also just did a quick search of our discussion boards here for you, using the search to the upper left, and I found this thread on skin mets.

    https://community.breastcancer.org/forum/8/topics/...

    Good luck! I'm glad you've found us. Please keep us posted on your situation. Deanna


  • marijen
    marijen Member Posts: 3,731
    edited November 2017

    Hi Everyone, I’m not sure if I’ve posted here before. I am stage IIA. The question of skin mets caught my eye because I had a growth on my chest about 1/2 inch. Pink with 3 tiny bumps.I’m seeing my dermatologist tomorrow.

    Here is a detailed article on skin mets including from breast cancer. Medscape requires an email address and a password, it’s easy.

    Dermatologic Manifestations of Metastatic Carcinomas: Overview, Distinguishing Metastases From Primary Tumors, Etiology

    http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/1101058-overview

    Now I am worried!

  • Yaelle
    Yaelle Member Posts: 53
    edited November 2017

    Thank you Cive and Deanna (especially for the link to Hopkins.

    I'm very glad too, that I found this place .. and you all.





  • Falconer
    Falconer Member Posts: 1,192
    edited November 2017

    mtucker, I hope things improve for her. I'll also add that after multiple surgeries and rads for me it's taken so many months to feel better. The treatments all take a toll. I had an MRI after months of neck pain that wasn't resolved by physical therapy. The radiologist saw a lesion on my spine, so I had a bone scan. The bone scan revealed that it was a benign tumor called hemangioma as well as significant arthritis. I'm only 47, so that was unexpected. I understand your worry. But I think that before certain scans are done other avenues will be tried like physical therapy for her aching hip. Good luck to you both. She's lucky to have you looking after her.
  • KeriG
    KeriG Member Posts: 5
    edited November 2017

    Hello. I've haven't been on in several years but I've been reading posts over the past week or so. I was lead to a pet scan after having sternal painot on and off for a while with upper right abdominal pain and slightly elevated liver enzymes. Results received yesterday state intense uptake in distal stomach and antrum with maximum SUV of 19.8 my onc says not to worry most likely gastritis. I am scheduled for endoscopy Monday. I did have endoscopy and colonscopy January 2016 with inflammation noted at that time amd have been on on protonix since then. I always have abnormal bowel movements amd have had heartburn for years. Do you believe with 19.8 that this can be gastritis? I have been up all night researching and realize that stomach ca is a rare met to have. Has this happened to anyone before? I just turned 47 have 5 children 16 to 25 and am full of anxiety all while remaining calm as to not alert my children.

    Sorry to ramble. Off to work now like I'll be able to concentrate....

    Thank you in advance to anyone who may provide any support and advice.

    Keri

    I'm also BRAC 2 positive.

  • bevin
    bevin Member Posts: 1,902
    edited November 2017

    KeriG. , I am sorry you're going through this. I don't have any answers but wanted to send support. I am sure someone familiar with ILC will be by soon to give some insight. I think with the US Thanksgiving holiday the boards are a bit slower.  Good luck and keep us posted.

  • chrissyb
    chrissyb Member Posts: 16,818
    edited November 2017

    Hi Keri, it's very possible that it is gastritis. A couple of years ago I had very similar symptoms and after having an endoscopy, an ultrasound and CT, that's exactly what it was with an inflammed gall bladder.

    Sometimes we need to stay away from trying to second guess what the docs are telling us and just wait for their expertise. Yeah, I know, so much easier to do than say but the reality of it is that it does cut down on the amount of stress we put ourselves through.

    Keeping my fingers crossed that your results are all benign but please do let us know how you get on.

    Love n hugs. Chrissy

  • KeriG
    KeriG Member Posts: 5
    edited November 2017

    Thank you bevin.... I appreciate your support!!!

  • KeriG
    KeriG Member Posts: 5
    edited November 2017

    Thank you chrissyb!! Yes I keep telling myself that I have to put the phone down and the past 2 days I have. I've enjoyed playing some board games with my kids... they are my heart and soul.... I truly appreciate your support and have my fingers crossed also.. I have a busy weekend planned and just waiting for Monday. I hope my GI MD with have some answers on Monday.. thank you again!! And will post results when I get them. I just needed someone to tell me that they have a similar situation. It's just the uptake that had me concerned. 😊



    • Artista964
      Artista964 Member Posts: 530
      edited November 2017

      i had stage 3a idc 7cm er/pr+, her2- BC. The top of my skull hurts not like headache like. Hard not to think brain or skull Mets. It's not all the time but most days. Any reason for concern? Thanks

    • Leapfrog
      Leapfrog Member Posts: 464
      edited November 2017

      Rosabella, I'm Stage IV with extensive bone mets and have skull mets, lots of them, and my skull does not hurt at all so I hope that's reassuring for you. Have you seen your oncologist lately? Because if you're concerned the best thing to do is to make an appointment to have your worry discussed and possibly checked out. I don't believe we should wait around if we have the least concern but should act on it. Sending love and hugs....

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