Starting Chemo in September 2017

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  • PauletteK
    PauletteK Member Posts: 2,205
    edited October 2017

    Tough -I am half way on taxol now, still have six more to go. Body is getting fatigue more, hands and feet can feel the neuropathy more and more. We need to push it ..... 6 more weeks I can see the rainbow.

  • OCDAmy
    OCDAmy Member Posts: 873
    edited October 2017

    Paulette, are you getting radiation after chemo?


  • PauletteK
    PauletteK Member Posts: 2,205
    edited October 2017

    Yes I am. Are you doing radiation soon ?

  • OCDAmy
    OCDAmy Member Posts: 873
    edited October 2017

    My last chemo is Friday. Then I am going to see the RO. I am hoping to start in 4-6 weeks.

  • PauletteK
    PauletteK Member Posts: 2,205
    edited October 2017

    Amy, you're moving along faster than me, let's keep in touch.

    You were so scared to start chemo now you will see the end of the tunnel. How do you deal with your chemo process?

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  • Travel_Girl
    Travel_Girl Member Posts: 210
    edited October 2017

    Thanks team!

    PauletteK -- the fatigue does increase with each cycle -- even though I work out (which is stated to help with fatigue) ... I do feel a bit more tired each cycle. You are a real warrior pushing through - an inspiration!

    I think my down mood this am, was a combo of TC dread and and an overwhelming workload @ work. I have to spend some time going through my list, delegating and 'giving' up - which is super hard for an over achiever like me. Just has to be done, my health is more important and I don't want to put my firm at risk. Perspective is a wonderful thing ...

    OCDAmy - Yep, post chemo I have surgery to go -- I have two surgery dates - one in late Nov and one early Dec - two different surgical teams -- I am having a hard time deciding and I will talk to my MO tomorrow and decide. I have given myself by the end of this week to finalize -- as I need to line up help.

    Toughcookie - I am going to try the ice chips in mouth during the dreaded Taxotere -- my mouth sores weren't has bad #3 as #2, I just read about it and thought it might be a good idea - same idea s cold capping?! Why not, need liquid anyway -

    Really do appreciate the support and inspiration - not like me to not be the cheerleader - we all have to ask for help every once in awhile.

  • mkn86
    mkn86 Member Posts: 250
    edited October 2017

    hi everyone

    day 5 and i've been sleeping so much. and trying to eat when i can.

    my right chest feels a bit sore and there are instances when there is a short stabbing pain and same as what travel_girl gave me as a visual before, i'm imagining these are cancer cells being zapped. althugh i do wonder if the soreness is because i'm supposed to be getting my period this week. We shall find out.

    I've been watching series but these days i cringe at hospital scenes.

    keep doing one thing a day that makes you happy!

    I am rooting for everyone. we got this

  • OCDAmy
    OCDAmy Member Posts: 873
    edited October 2017

    Went to the PS today for my final appointment with her before I start rads. Ever since my fall several weeks ago I have been having discomfort under my right tissue expander when I move a certain way. She thinks it is either a rib or I pulled or have a tear in the muscle. For now I am supposed to take muscle relaxers and ibuprofen and we will wait and see. I was supposed to get my final fill but she wants me to wait until next week because of the discomfort. I am back to wearing my old bras but one more fill I think we get me to feeling and looking more like myself. Although the expanders are not comfortable, I can live with them for awhile longer. Hoping my skin holds up well during rads. I have my last chemo on Friday, I am counting down the days and so looking forward to turning that page and moving on to the next in what seems to be a never-ending story. Best to all of you. Let us know how you are all doing!

  • Henrietta405
    Henrietta405 Member Posts: 69
    edited October 2017

    Amy, so exciting to have your last chemo so close!

    I have my third of a planned 6 chemos tomorrow. I’m excited to be halfway done and it looks like I’m responding really well. I met with my MO today and my tumor markers have gone down a lot and the original tumor in my breast cannot be felt any more. So good news! I’m trying to figure out how to balance being excited about responding well with the realism of having stage 4 cancer. I think this is something for me to work through kind of long term

  • Travel_Girl
    Travel_Girl Member Posts: 210
    edited October 2017

    OCDAmy - back to your old bras! woohoo that is a good feeling. I am going for slightly smaller, as i found after my 1st round of BC, i had implants put in 2 years after lump and while I asked for a C - - I think it ended up as a really full C and maybe even small D and I have/had a hard time buying tops. (they had to go bigger than I was to even things out, that might have been just a tad too much bigger...) I have a bit of smaller frame even though I am 5'8'' (taller) -- I had to buy big tops, no buttons, and 80% of had to be tailored or I looked like had a sack on -- I figure if I am going through all of this, I will adjust to a B something -- and make top buying easier.

    I keep wondering how the PS will help with this, as I am not in the throws of expander land yet - I put that later on my list of questions.

    mkn - period or not go with that visual -- it helps

    Henrietta -- try to get some help with how to deal with that - we all need extra help.

    I found out a few interesting tidbits today from MO as I went in for labs and pre-chemo appt. For my fellow TC warriors-- Taxotere has some interesting side effects besides the Big C &D & Mouth sores. Just thought I would share a few things - just in case it helps others on that regimin. Rash is common, mine started Day 10 of cycle #3 - also common - the on call told me Benedryl helps -- my MO told me today (after I showed her pix) -- that while Bene helps stave off itching, it doesn't heal - steroids heal it and stop the itching - good to know! I should have called the MO office earlier and would have less symptoms for a few days. Also I have had swollen ankles - again another Taxotere 'gfit' -- once again steroids help. Steroids aren't my favorite, however, if they would have helped with that darn rash itching earlier, sign me up - dr, also said, based on my ankles, they may get worse with cycle #4 to the point of pain to stand on -- sign me up for steroids once again. I have a steroid RX at the ready (can't recall the name- will verify if interested) - some kind of 'pack' -- just in case either symptom shows up - dreaded rash!!.

    On this day before TC #4 my ankles are still swollen -- never really went away this cycle. I see them all the time, as I work out most days in capri length pants -- along w/ a personal goal of touching my toes before surgery. (ok that is funny) I notice them because of vanity - never occurred to me they might swell to the point pain (doh!) - I am not normally air headed - just way too much to keep track of. Maybe all of this will help others on TC/Taxotere

    Ok, ladies let's do this.

  • PauletteK
    PauletteK Member Posts: 2,205
    edited October 2017

    Travel, try to wear compression sock and put up your feet. This is what I read from other people. Rashes I got that fro taxol also but mine didn’t itch so I used Triamcinolone Acetonide Cream is steroid cream which I got from my dermatologist. Beside all these do you have neuropathy pains?? I do on my fingertips and sometimes on my feet.

  • FarAwayToo
    FarAwayToo Member Posts: 255
    edited October 2017

    Amy, happy to hear you are almost done with chemo!

    Paulette, you will be there soon.

    Travel and mkn, I'm with you - neoadjuvant chemo and sometimes I feel a little down thinking how much is ahead of me. My surgery is not until end of February or even March. 16 more weeks of chemo! But yesterday I took Travel's advice and scheduled my first meeting with a therapist. She was able to fit me in within a week, going to see her next Monday. I've never done therapy before, so I don't know what to look for in the therapist. She is trained in CBT, and I've read many things about it that strike a cord with me, so I'm hoping she will be a fit for me.

    Henrietta, I hope you reach out to someone, consider therapy? I recently found out that my hospital's department of integrative medicine does all kinds of mind-body connection therapy. Unfortunately, they just moved off site, so logistically it doesn't make sense for me to work with them.

    I also went to a yoga class for cancer patients/survivors today. The instructor was wonderful! Met with two ladies who had BC, one of them had it at 41 (close to my age). She talked to me for a while, it was nice. I'm still on a fence about whether I want to join a local support group or not. But I definitely decided to work on my mental "stuff".

    mkn, I also have some pains/discomfort in my affected breast. I liked the visual you've suggested. I actually read quite a bit on visualization lately, and trying my best to apply what I've read. I have a very vivid imagination, so may as well use it for the best.

    Today is my day 5 post Taxol #4 and I feel good. My major complaint is irritated skin on my knuckles, specifically my right hand. I need to quit washing dishes, or use gloves. I also think I overdid it with hand sanitizer: I put a bottle in my car to use after I go shopping. I think the alcohol in it was just too much for my skin.

  • PauletteK
    PauletteK Member Posts: 2,205
    edited October 2017

    Far I'm happy to hear you're done with chemo, may I askwhy do you need to wait til next year for surgery? I thought you will have surgery after chemo? Taxol makes me very tired also, usually I only have five hours sleep now I can sleep 7 hours plus nap in the afternoon. I wouldn’t know what happened to the people who works when during chemo.

  • FarAwayToo
    FarAwayToo Member Posts: 255
    edited October 2017

    Paulette, oh no, I'm not done with chemo! I just started! Was diagnosed end of August and started neoadjuvant chemo end of September.

    I'm doing 12 Taxols followed by 4 AC, and only headed into Taxol #5 this week. So, I'm going to finish Taxol early December, then do AC through February, and then will have surgery.

    I also sleep a lot! I used to run on 7 hours of sleep a day and be OK. These days I'm out by 10:30 and if I don't have to be anywhere in the morning, I don't get up until 8. I do work, although I'm on reduced schedule (24 hours a week), and I mostly work from home. Went to the office yesterday, and it was hard - I so needed a nap at 1:00 pm! Today I was kind to myself: did my yoga thing, then picked up another Buff (a scarf that can be worn in so many different ways!) at REI, came home, worked a little, napped, took a walk and now trying to catch up on some more work. I like having the ability to work during this - keeps my mind off the scary cancer stuff, plus I get to stay relevant (I hope!)

    Also, my tiredness is more pronounced on days #3 - 5 after my Taxol. Today was day 6, and I feel fine, just a little lightheaded at times. Oh, this has been ongoing - when I'm tired, I get lightheaded, and really need to lay down.


  • PauletteK
    PauletteK Member Posts: 2,205
    edited October 2017

    Far - when I have AC I slept on day 1- 4, but couldn’t sleep well at night, with taxol I sleep well at night and take naps also. I Am planning to soak my hands with epsom salt tonight I hope this will decrease the numbness.

  • OCDAmy
    OCDAmy Member Posts: 873
    edited October 2017

    Travel Girl, now I know why my MO checks my ankles every time I am there. So far no rashes or swelling. I hope that holds true for this last infusion. I am a C cup and that was where I had hoped to stay. It is funny people keep asking me if I am going to go bigger. I don't care about bigger, but firmer will be nice! I had a nipple and skin sparing prophylactic mastectomy that is looking really good right now! I was scared I would lose the nipple because it looked a little necrotic on the tip after surgery but it has held up. Now I need to decide if I should just get the other one tattooed or have one constructed to match. I can't wait until I don't have to make any more major decisions.

    I have been icing my fingers and toes 15 min before, during and 15 min after taxotere. So far, no neuropathy or nail issues. The chemo nurses are very helpful with this but I seem to be the only person icing.

    I am wondering if I should get the port out as soon as I am done? I have read some women say they keep it just in case...I don't want to think about just in case! I heard the procedure to take it out is simple compared to putting it in.

  • Mojojennijo
    Mojojennijo Member Posts: 173
    edited October 2017

    ac #3 done Monday! One more ac left! Then on to weekly. BUT my dr says he feels no change in my Breast. He's going to do an ultrasound next week. I don't know why the tumor wouldn't respond. Also I have no idea what will change with treatment if it hasn't.

    I'm gonna be really bummed if all this ac was for nothing :(

    I thought triple positive tumors responded well to ac? my Dr expected drastic change by now and a complete pathological response by surgery.

    Not exactly what I was hoping to hear. But I know that my dr doesn’t have X-ray vision. So I shouldn’t get all bummed out about it yet.

  • Henrietta405
    Henrietta405 Member Posts: 69
    edited October 2017

    Mojojennijo, congrats on almost finishing the AC! I’m sorry your doc says he doesn’t feel a difference. I’ll be with you in hoping the ultrasound can show some positive changes the doc couldn’t pick up in a physical exam.



  • Travel_Girl
    Travel_Girl Member Posts: 210
    edited October 2017

    OCDAmy - check out 3D tattooing, i have been researching it and my sister in law (she is a personal trainer) asked one of her clients to show me hers - it was AMAZING. Glad you are liking the results so far - my next big set of worries. (oops I mean decisions). I did decide on a surgery date of 11/27-the sooner the better. that is the team that is going to give me the co2 expanders, 10cc's at a time up to three times day -- fingers crossed!! On the port removal, I asked about that yesterday -- and MO said they do it in the office, however, since I am having surgery, they will take it out then - says slightly better result with scars. That is all I would ask about -- options to get it out and which one leaves behind the least scars -- and get it out ASAP. You won't need it after your last chemo and recover period -- so make that appt for a few weeks out. One more decision to make :)

    MJ -- I hope your scans go well and they show you it is responding - I did hear that sometimes some tumors respond to taxol better - which is probably why Faraway is doing Taxol first? I am no dr. of course -- I think the reason they do chemo first in triple neg is to see it is working and change course -- that is what they told me anyway. AC is hard core chemo -- so I can't imagine it is for nothing !!! maybe just both ac - taxol for complete path response

    Paulette - one more week down, you are getting so close -- I know you are tired of it all - long journey - another week down - so close now, I am cheering for you to get through the next few weeks.

    Paulette - I am working too, as I know OCDAmy is as well. For me, just like Faraway -- work is part of my therapy. Keeps my worrying to a minimum, and connected to the land of the living -- I am working from home, so take it easy when I need too -- I think it would be much harder to go into an office everyday - there are days that I get so much work done, many conference calls and never change out of my pjs. Not having to 'look the part' helps - people just visualize me as the kick ass person that I normally am, not the yellowish, swelled ankle, bad hair day person that I am right now. And mentally, even in my PJ's I become that person - I just avoid mirrors all day :) , I think it helps that I love what I do -- it is not a burden, it is a source of mental stimulation and getting into 'flow'.

    #4 of 4 done - now to ride the wave of SE's -- the new one I got today/yeserday was low hemoglobin. I knew I was getting more tired during my workouts. MO told me to eat steak and spinach - chemo center wanted to give a blood infusion -I had to wait an extra hour while they waited for confirmation from dr. to give me chemo -- you can imagine how worried I was they would not do it today. Now in addition to big D, big C, mouth sores, rashes, swelled ankles -- I have to add resolve anemia before surgery to this list. I have got this!!!

  • Mojojennijo
    Mojojennijo Member Posts: 173
    edited October 2017

    weekly taxol is next for me so maybe if the ac didn’t do what my onc was expecting that will work! I just don’t want anymore strong chemo after this.


  • toughcookie_21
    toughcookie_21 Member Posts: 185
    edited October 2017

    I am so envious of you ladies who are done with chemo! Sometimes I think that I'm halfway there and I can do this no problem and then other days I look at the calendar and wonder how I'm going to get through the next 3 treatments and want to call the oncologist and tell him I can't do it anymore.


    I'm working too; I went back full time shortly after my first chemo. I had been out for My BMX and then I got an infection which prolonged my leave of absence. I ended up being out for 7 weeks total. So far, I've been taking off the day of chemo and the Thursday/Friday afterward and then going back on Monday. Fortunately, I can work from home and have moved my travel and training responsibilities to others on my team so that I really don't ever need to leave the house. I too work in my PJs and some days I'm not as productive as I should be but I have managed to meet deadlines and complete a few projects since starting chemo.


    I've always had low hemoglobin and chemo has just made it worse. My oncologist wanted me to take 4 iron pills a day but I discovered that some of my stomach issues were because of the iron so I asked him to please compromise and now I take 2 of them. My hemoglobin has ranged from 7-9 since chemo. Travel girl- what was yours? I really do want to avoid having to get a blood infusion. My husband was telling the oncologist that he'd only let me get one if he was the one giving me the blood. My husband is not usually dramatic like that, but he was really freaked out by this.
  • Travel_Girl
    Travel_Girl Member Posts: 210
    edited October 2017

    Toughcookie -- it was 8.3 this time

    I looked at my ranges from the last 12 years or so -- my max 11.8 -- my average is 10.2 or so (dips in the 9's, etc). I am sure that why is why my MO was ok with me going forward -- it was the chemo center seeing the number in isolation. I have that Thaalasma minor, so always low in general.

    I didn't get an infusion -- 8.3 is the lowest it has been for me since i was with my oncologist - 12 years. So I will load up on iron rich food and try to get it back in the 10 range. At least I feel better that as to my workouts have been so difficult.

    And you will get through the last 3 Toughcookie -- you can do this. one day at a time. I still have surgery to go - so you are on the other side of that - I will just be beginning that path in a month -- we can do this.

  • Milkweed93
    Milkweed93 Member Posts: 41
    edited October 2017

    Hi all! It's been awhile since I posted, and I'm trying to catch up with you all!

    TravelGirl - thanks for the info on the TC. I think I have developed a slight rash on my face of all places, and it started about 10 days in to #3! Could that be the taxotere? I'll watch and see if it gets worse for #4 which is this Monday. And talk to my MO about it.

    toughcookie - you can do it!! Just keep swimming, just keep swimming :)

    Henrietta - That is great that your tumor markers are coming down!

    FarAway- I remember my nurse telling me to use gloves always when doing housework to protect my skin from irritants and possible cuts. And probably you are right about the alcohol based hand sanitizer - too drying. I've got this stuff called "Miracle Oil" that is good for nails on hands and feet. It has some tea tree oil in it along with some other oils. If I remember to put it on at night and in the morning, it helps keep my nails moisturized.

    OCDAmy - Almost there lady! We've come so far! We have been on nearly the same TC schedule. When do you see the RO? I haven't made an appointment for her yet, but maybe I should. Also, my mouth sores were so much less this time and I am chalking it up to sucking on crushed ice before, during and after taxotere.

    Also, regarding radiation, I may be a candidate for the 16 day "Canadian method" radiation treatment. I'm going to look in to it further. It is less overall radiation, and has been shown to have the same results as the 7 week rads with same or even less side effects. Does anyone here know about this? Maybe there is a radiation community here I should look at to see what they say too.



  • Henrietta405
    Henrietta405 Member Posts: 69
    edited October 2017

    sorry for those of you dealing with low hemoglobin. Lots of people at my center get blood transfusions. I have luckily kept good numbers so far so am avoiding all that for now (knock wood).

    I’m also working. I’m a professor so my schedule is flexible and my yearly teaching load is unevenly spread over the semesters so it is my light semester. I had to miss a few classes early when I was still getting my diagnosis sorted and I missed one class due to SEs after my first chemo, but I changed my chemo day so SEs come on the weekend now.

    Hoping for a nice day of little cancer based excitement for all.

  • mkn86
    mkn86 Member Posts: 250
    edited October 2017

    thank you FarAwayToo, i have Travel_girl to thank for that visual.

    been feeling a bit down today. i slept on my right side last night (first time since i had the port put it) and woke up this morning to clear liquid discharge on my right chest where the tumor is. it's a very small amount (literally droplets) and messaged my MO about it. So i have an appointment tomorrow with my mo to check what's going on.

    Until then i've been feeling down all day thinking i'm back in the same situation before chemo started with a tumor that is bothersome and i resent that this cancer takes away what little comfort i get out of life (sleeping on my right side for example). and frustrated that maybe 3 doses hasn't done anything but i trust my MO to be the better judge of that. but it d*mn well feels like i'm back to square one. and if i saw consistent behavior from my tumor since dose 1, it would have been encouraging. but it's not consistent. it shrinks, some firm tissue develops, shooting pains/soreness so i know cells are dying, then discharge. this really sucks. and i am not used to being this negative about all this.

    what do you tell yourself on days like this?

    i work from home on some days and i am grateful for the distraction. And most days i try to exercise to get those endorphins and some sunshine to lift my mood.

    but today has been especially tough.

  • Henrietta405
    Henrietta405 Member Posts: 69
    edited October 2017

    mkn, sorry you are feeling down. It is hard to not be able to sleep on your preferred side. I remember feeling a lot like you when I first got my port and couldn’t sleep on my left side. I did eventually find a way to do it using a lot of pillows, but it was like not only do I have cancer but I can’t even sleep like I want! I also think, that while it is good to strive for a positive attitude overall, having cancer really sucks and is a terrible thing and it is ok to take some time to feel sad or angry and acknowledge that. I usually set myself a time limit. Like I’ll say to myself “this is my morning to have self pity. In the afternoon I’ll be positive and cheerful again.” I hope you get confirmation that the chemo is working soon.

    I also came back to post that I get rash on my face as well. Like you said, milkweed, why the face? Mine seems to be from the taxol and Benadryl definitely shrinks it, although does not get rid of it completely. My onco says steroids are the next step if the Benadryl doesn’t do enough.



  • PauletteK
    PauletteK Member Posts: 2,205
    edited October 2017

    I have rashes come and go it always pop up on day 4 or 5. My dermatologist gave me Triamcinolone cream and it works well.

    MKN - you have every right to vent and I have my emotional days especially when we have all these SE and feeling uncertainty. Every little things get us worry since our bodies are weak. Hugs prayers would help. I have turned to God for strength and asked for his helps

  • Harley_Girl
    Harley_Girl Member Posts: 5
    edited October 2017

    Hello everyone,

    I have been a voyeur in this group, however I need a little encouragement. I have completed 2 rounds of chemo. I have felt pretty bad through the last 2 rounds. I have a horrible rash all over my head. I don't know how I am going to get myself motivated to go to my next round on Tuesday? HELP!

  • OCDAmy
    OCDAmy Member Posts: 873
    edited October 2017

    Milkweed, that radiation sounds great! I met my RO many months ago when we were thinking maybe I didn't need chemo, just radiation. The plan then was for 28 treatments. Not sure now that things have changed how many I will need. I had two positive lymph nodes so I know I will be getting a full blast of radiation. I have my last chemo tomorrow and will be setting up my appointment with the RO. I am hoping I get in to see him next week so we can get this next ball rolling. I need to get one final expander fill and then I will be ready to go.

    I am sorry that so many of you are feeling down lately. It is so hard, isn't it? Some days I think maybe this is all a bad dream and I will wake up soon. Some days I am so mad and don't understand why me. Harley, don't give up. If you are on the four treatment TC like me you are half way there! Just keep your eye on the finish line. Have you talked to your MO about the rash? I think it is important to report all SEs!

    I work form home the Monday after chemo but I have been in the office every other day. It does keep my mind occupied. I just still don't like my wig and feel self-conscious when I wear it around people. My eyelashes are so thin now as are my eyebrows. Ugh, I hate looking like a cancer patient.

    Hang in there ladies! We may have cancer, but cancer doesn't have us!

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