EPIRUBICIN chemo anyone?

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LindaE54
LindaE54 Member Posts: 2,054

I will be starting Epirubicin (Ellence) next week after Taxol failed me. This chemo is rarely used from what I can see on BCO. Anybody out there had it for stage IV and what was your experience? Anybody planning on getting it?

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  • Freya244117
    Freya244117 Member Posts: 603
    edited October 2017

    You might have better luck doing a search on "Ellence". I'm sorry to hear Taxol failed you and that you have had a progression.

    Hoping this works well for you. Take care.

  • Iwrite
    Iwrite Member Posts: 870
    edited October 2017

    Linda- Thinking if you as you change treatments! Hoping this new one stops what's happening and gets you to stable!!

  • JFL
    JFL Member Posts: 1,947
    edited October 2017

    Good luck on this one, Linda. I know that it is used as an alternative to adriamycin (doxorubicin) because it causes less cardiotoxicity than adriamycin. I had a friend who took it with herceptin for that reason.

  • LindaE54
    LindaE54 Member Posts: 2,054
    edited October 2017

    Thank you ladies. Freya thanks for pointing "Ellence" to me. There is a bit more info on it but still very little.

  • LindaE54
    LindaE54 Member Posts: 2,054
    edited October 2017

    I had my first tx this morning. It's a red liquid given as an injection that lasts about 20 minutes. Pre-meds include only Decadron. Decadron pills for the next 2 days as well. My schedule is every 3 weeks. Will update on SEs later.

  • 50sgirl
    50sgirl Member Posts: 2,527
    edited October 2017

    Linda, I hope the SEs are minimal but that Epirubicin packs a big punch againstthose cancer cells.

    Prayers and hugs, Lynne

  • Groovywilma
    Groovywilma Member Posts: 450
    edited October 2017

    Linda,

    Just came to check to see when you start your new treatment, and you already did! I started taxotere yesterday. Also an every three week schedule. I'll follow up with you to see how the side effects are and how you are feeling. On what part of your body do they give this injection? I hope it is tolerable and limited pain and that you can function well! Most of all I hope this treatment is effective for you for a very long time! Best of luck!

    Wilma

  • LindaE54
    LindaE54 Member Posts: 2,054
    edited October 2017

    Hey Groovywilma - I also found your new niche - the taxotere thread and I check it to see how you're doing. So far no SEs other than sleeping even with the Decadron! The injection is given in a vein in my hand. I like the fact of going every 3 weeks instead of weekly with Taxol. How did your new tx go? Uneventful I hope. How are you feeling? My wish is that our new treatments get us stable or better for a long time.

  • LindaE54
    LindaE54 Member Posts: 2,054
    edited October 2017

    Visit with MO yesterday and TMs are still on the rise. MO is adding two chemos to my current Epirubicin. (CEF = cyclophosphamide, Epirubicin, Fluorouracil) Anybody had this trio as stage IV?

  • Groovywilma
    Groovywilma Member Posts: 450
    edited October 2017

    Sorry your TMs are on the rise. I'm not familiar with the new chemos you are on, but hopefully someone else will be able to share their experience with you! When will you add the other two? I hope it starts slowing down any new growth/ progression. Wishing you all the best! Take care!

  • Dvdsp
    Dvdsp Member Posts: 43
    edited October 2017

    my mum is on CMF (cyclophosphamide, metotrexate and fluorouracil), she was going to be on taxol but she is allergic, she is on her 8 cycle of CMF and she had worse SE with letrozole, xeloda and fulvestrant. Her CEA TM was 255 when she started CMF, the last tuesday it was 47, the scanner showed improvements so we cross fingers for continuous improvement, of course the same for you!

    Good luck!! wishing the best!

  • LindaE54
    LindaE54 Member Posts: 2,054
    edited October 2017

    Thank you both for your good wishes. I start tomorrow morning!

  • Dianarose
    Dianarose Member Posts: 2,407
    edited October 2017

    Dcdsp- that is great news on your mom. I did CMF and it was not bad and brought my tm down below normal. I did however lose almost all of my hair. Hope it continues to work for her


  • akshelley
    akshelley Member Posts: 86
    edited October 2017

    Linda, I am on the same thing you are on but my Onc abbreviated it FEC (5-Flouracil, Epirubicin, and Cyclophosomide aka Cytoxan). So you may have better google searches with FEC.

    I am 4 1/3 years into Stage IV Palliative Care treatment, and have done continuous chemo with short 10 day breaks for palliative radiation. The last chemo I was on was CMF and I did 3 cycles of that before being switched to FEC. I have had cycle 1 (infusion 1 & 2) then a 2 week break, now yesterday, infusion 1 of cycle 2.My tumor markers were in the 700's before cycle 1 but went up to 845 after. The ONC said he expected to have to do at least 2 cycles before they plateau or drop. So we'll see. I hope this works because he said I only have 2 treatment options left before we have to look at clinical trials or stopping treatment.

    The side effects I have had so far are loss of hair after cycle 1, infusion 1. That seemed very fast! Major fatigue. Like I want to sleep two to three times per day, 1-2 hour naps. Plus early to bed, late to rise. And of course, the neutropenia was severe after both rounds, my WBC went to 400 (ANC .4) and I had to be careful of exposure to infections.

    How are you doing now? Have you had any cystitis with the Cytoxan? The Epirubicin causes red urine for 2-3 voids, but the Cytoxan can cause cystitis. I had my first UTI (since my 20's!) after infusion 1. It was very painful, but they showed it infectious and not cycstitis. They gave me 7 days of Bactrum, but since I'm still struggling with lingering post-void pain, they gave me another 14 days of it. Every infusion, I have to have an extra 2 Liters of Normal Saline to help prevent the cystitis. Now they worry about fluid overload. I can't win!

    I have no appetite and when I do eat, I can only eat small portions without feeling full. I feel bloated all the time, but have had that before even the CMF. I have occasional feet neuropathy, but not constant. Thank the Lord, I am a baby about my feet since I had hand-foot syndrome in 2014 with Xeloda. I also have other s/e but expect that to be from the cancer rather than the medication.

    I hope you toloreate it better than I have. Keep me posted. I don't know anyone else on FEC. I will look up CEF and see if I have any better luck. I think they list it as FEC because that's the order of infusion where I am treated.

    Hang in there!

    Shelley


  • LindaE54
    LindaE54 Member Posts: 2,054
    edited October 2017

    Shelley - thanks so much for your post and your feedback. I don't know anyone else on FEC either so I'm glad I found you! I've had only one cycle so far. Onc started me on Epirubicin alone but added the other two as TMs were still creeping up. No cystitis yet but like you big time fatigue and bloated all the time. Not sure if it's an SE or ascites. My last scans showed a beginning of ascites, oh joy! I was told to drink 10 glasses of water per day with this chemo to clear kidneys but I find it very hard to do. Ever since I started chemo in May (started with Taxol), I've been having a phenomenal amount of urine especially at night. Both frequency and quantity. I hope this trio will give me a bit more time, nothing's been working in almost a year and TMs keep on creeping up all the time. I will hit 4 years of MBC dx next month, sure miss my ol' letrozole I had for 3 years. I wish us both a good run on this and let's keep in touch.

  • LindaE54
    LindaE54 Member Posts: 2,054
    edited November 2017

    Shelley - how are you doing? I'm going for my second cycle of FEC today. First cycle went well, much easier than Taxol for me. New SE that appeared is pain and burning feeling in finger tips and toes. Fatigue is always the worst SE but very doable.


  • Groovywilma
    Groovywilma Member Posts: 450
    edited November 2017

    Linda,

    Hope your treatments with FEC are going well with manageable side effects! And hope you had a great Thanksgiving! This treatment better be the one to last a long time kicking cancer butt for you and for everyone else too! Take care!

  • LindaE54
    LindaE54 Member Posts: 2,054
    edited December 2017

    Leaving this protocol and moving to Halaven because of more progression.

  • Groovywilma
    Groovywilma Member Posts: 450
    edited December 2017

    Aww, Linda, that sucks. Wishing you all the best on Halaven and that 2018 will bring you better health.


  • LindaE54
    LindaE54 Member Posts: 2,054
    edited December 2017

    Thank you Groovy and the same to you!

  • Iwrite
    Iwrite Member Posts: 870
    edited December 2017

    Thinking of you Linda, and hoping that Halaven turns things aroundfor you!

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