I just got diagnosed with IDC/DCIS

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  • Spookiesmom
    Spookiesmom Member Posts: 9,568
    edited October 2017

    didn’t change anything then or now. Look on google for recipes. Tons of stuff there.

  • ChiSandy
    ChiSandy Member Posts: 12,133
    edited October 2017

    Most oncologists will have you get a port to keep your veins from repeatedly getting stuck for I.V.s & blood draws. As to hair, you might want to look into "cold caps" (FDA approved as safe and expensive). They're a pain in the butt to use, costly and uncomfortable while wearing them (from just before to a few hours after each chemo session), but they've been proven to reduce hair loss by half. If you already have thick hair, cold caps can still leave you with enough hair to look normal. Some insurers cover part of them, some won't.

    As to wigs, have your oncologist write a prescription for a "cranial prosthesis." That way, insurance will cover it, if the wig salon accepts your insurance. There are specialized wig salons for cancer patients (they also sell prostheses, compression garments for lymphedema, mastectomy bras and even camisoles that can hold a prosthesis).

    Don't worry about changing your diet, except for cutting way back on alcohol if you do drink, because ER+ breast cancer patients are advised to have no more than 2 or 3 "drinks" (5 oz. of wine, 12 oz. of beer or hard cider, 1 oz. hard liquor) a week due to alcohol inhibiting the liver from clearing estrogen from the bloodstream. As to what to eat, follow common sense for your particular situation (if you tend towards higher blood sugar or if diabetes runs in your family, simple carbs are worse than fats). Fruits & vegetables are a good idea for everyone. I buy organic not just because it is probably safer, but just plain tastes better. If you eat dairy, meat or poultry (including eggs), make sure it's organic with no growth hormones, and raised on pastures--rather than "battery" chicken barns or feedlots. Beef, if you eat it, should be 100% grass-fed. You aren't just what you eat--you are what you eat eats. Carbs should be as complex and unprocessed as possible too. Dietary fat is not the demon that doctors used to believe, nor is dietary cholesterol.

    With ER+ cancer, though, you need to try to maintain your current body weight (and if overweight, try to lose some of it before treatment begins). Steroids are usually given to lessen chemo's side effects, and after chemo you will be put on an anti-estrogen pill (which kind depends on your menstrual status and what you want to do about it). Steroids & anti-estrogen drugs lower metabolism and make weight loss, or even maintenance, difficult. I know it's hard to believe after all those images of the emaciated cancer patient, but with breast cancer you are likely to gain weight, most of it body fat. And even if you no longer have functioning ovaries, your fat cells and adrenal glands make a hormone that an enzyme from your liver converts into estrogen. You can't do anything about your adrenal glands (we all need those), but you should try to keep from adding more fat cells.

    As to antioxidants, do not take them as supplements, just in foods in normal amounts. This is important during chemo & radiation, because the point of those treatments is to destroy the tumor cells. Just as chemo drugs can't tell the difference between tumor cells and fast-dividing normal cells (like hair follicles, etc.), neither can antioxidants. Antioxidants mop up free radicals, and free radicals damage cells. While you are doing chemo & rads ("adjuvant" treatment, and if in your case pre-surgery, "neo-adjuvant" treatment) you want to damage those cancer cells!

    Neo-adjuvant chemo serves three purposes: first, to shrink tumors to a size that can facilitate lumpectomy (and also shrink or eliminate tumor cells in lymph nodes); second, to get a head start on killing any stray tumor cells that may have escaped your breasts & lymph nodes and prevent further spread; and third, to gauge which chemo regimens will work best for your tumors. ("Pathological response" is the term).

  • Virgo73
    Virgo73 Member Posts: 43
    edited October 2017

    Morning ChiSandy - MO mentioned no port for me (not sure if that’s a good or bad thing). Thanks for the advice, especially regarding the antioxidants!


    Question for all - I’ve had chronic neck pain for about 6 months. I’ve gone to a chiropractor for treatment- which makes the pain ease up for a while, then it returns. Chiropractor said I’m tense and knottted up. He said I have the classic “desk” neck.... I sit at a computer 8! hours a day. Has anyone ever felt neck/shoulder pain?
  • Runnermum
    Runnermum Member Posts: 383
    edited October 2017

    Hi Virgo I went thru what you are currently going about 6 months ago.I was diagnosed the end of April and had surgery finally in June. I am currently finishing up chemo (2 treatments left) and then on to radiation. Everyone tells you that the beginning when there are so many unanswered questions is the worst and they are right.

    I suffered thru quite a bit of anxiety. I will tell you anxiety can do horrible things to you. During those early weeks prior to to my surgery and pet scan and when we still didnt know everything and was I was still having mris, biopsies, etc. I suffered with shortness of breath, back pain in shoulders and low back, numbness and tingling in arms and feet, migraines, vertigo, vision wasn't good, etc. I suffered thru a lot. Every new symptom meant the cancer was some where else. I will tell you it was a horrible time. But my pet came back clean and as I learned my treatment plan things improved. It was all anxiety and those symptoms improved and disappeared. And my life became a little more normal again. Hang in there, talk to your dr about your symptoms but remember this is a stressful situation and our bodies can do weird things when we experience stress. Just be gentle to yourself. Sending you a big hug.

  • Virgo73
    Virgo73 Member Posts: 43
    edited October 2017

    Hi Runnermum - Wow!!! Yes, I’m “YOU” all over again!! This anxiety is worse than anything else!! I’m scheduled to have my first Chemo trmt next Tuesday.... thank you for sharing, it made me feel a lot better (Like I’m not just a crazy lady). Is it just me, or did you feel like treatment was scheduled late? I almost feel like saying “hey get this out of me today”

  • PauletteK
    PauletteK Member Posts: 2,205
    edited October 2017

    Virgo, you are not crazy, we all under so much stress, any little thing we will over react. I’m trying to learn focus on the good days and let the bad days go. I had a bad days yesterday from my SE, today is better day for me, so I have to tell myself things aren’t that bad after all.


  • Beatmon
    Beatmon Member Posts: 1,562
    edited October 2017

    Have they looked at your neck and shoulders since your diagnosis?

    And it is normal to be nervous. Maybe a little xanax or Ativan prescription would help. Chemo is absolutely no fun, but it is nothing like the movies show it to be. Mainly you are scared to death but end up just being bored! I was just a little nervous having been an RN for 40'years. An RN that I had worked with and respected did my first chemo which made it a great experience. With most of the drugs, it seems to take a day or two until you feel your worst. Take the medications given to you by your Doc before you feel terrible...head it off at the pass. Like I said, no fun, but it is doable for most of us. If you think you need to call the Dr., do it. Follow your gut instincts. We all have a steep learning curve with this chemo crap.


  • ChiSandy
    ChiSandy Member Posts: 12,133
    edited October 2017

    Neck & shoulders are the first places nervous tension shows up, manifesting as pain. Xanax is better than Ativan, acc. to my shrink--it has a shorter half-life and doesn't make you feel "hung over." Sitting too much is never good for one's health--get up and take standing breaks. And make sure your computer, desk, and chair are set up ergonomically to avoid tension & neck strain.

    If you're not getting a port, either you will be getting chemo infusions less frequently (or a shorter course), or you've got good, robust veins. Your tumor was Luminal A-type (the least-aggressive type of invasive bc) and grade 1, the least aggressive grade. Stage IIA is probably why chemo was indicated.

  • Runnermum
    Runnermum Member Posts: 383
    edited October 2017

    Virgo...yes I felt crazy and yes it felt like it was taking forever but there are steps to the process and you want to make sure everything is covered so they know what they are dealing with. Which my hubby frequently reminded me. ;)It feels long and agonizing but you need to know. For me I was diagnosed on April 26th. Met with my team of drs (mo, bs, ro) on April 28th. They decided I should have mri on both breasts. A wk later MRI showed 2 more areas of concern. Followed up with a mri biopsy 1 wk after that as I had hoped to do lumpectomy. 1 of those areas of concern was more cancer but close enough to first lump that we could go ahead and still schedule lumpectomy. I developed a BAD hematoma from the mri biopsy so we had to wait 4 wks for that to heal before BS would do lumpectomy. Finally 4 wks later I had my lumpectomy and did not get clear margins and discovered I had a positive node. My MRI and US prior had not shown anything in my lymph nodes. So chemo was for sure and needed a reexcision to get clear margins which I had 1 wk after 1st lumpectomy. MO made me wait 4 wks between my last surgery and starting chemo for complete healing. Had my pet scan after last surgery which was clean! So that was my process between diagnosis and chemo and it was hard. At times it felt like I took 1 step forward and 3 steps back. But I made it thru. I never used any anti depression meds...not anything wrong with it and I probably should have but was stubborn and didn't want to. I found my running, yoga and exercise to be the biggest help for me. And i also started seeing a counselor at my cancer center weekly. Good luck...soon you will be breezing thru treatment and this will all be a distant memory!


  • Julz42XX
    Julz42XX Member Posts: 29
    edited October 2017

    Virgo,

    I don't like to take meds, heck B4 this all happened I barely took ibprofen. My husband was with me to do my 1st chemo treatment yesterday so I met Dr B4 my appt. My husband told Dr I was going crazy with worry. I wake up in the middle of the night crying, I take a shower and cry ETC. This is not normal my husband & I know myself as a very strong woman that always can keep my ground & very rarely ever cries. So the Dr did prescribe me small dose of Xanax. I have to report last night was the 1st night since October. 2 no nightmares and I feel pretty good today! Let the Dr know all of your worries I promise eliminating the anxiety helps tremendously 💪

    I wish all you ladies the best of everything you are all in my prayers!!💖


  • Virgo73
    Virgo73 Member Posts: 43
    edited October 2017

    Thank you ladies..... I love waking up and reading all of your posts, experiences and advice! It makes my day a little easier:)

    Now, off to work.....

    Paulettek - I hope your day remains a good one!!

    xoxo

  • FarAwayToo
    FarAwayToo Member Posts: 255
    edited October 2017

    Virgo, I have the same issues with neck and shoulders. I tense up when sitting at my computer - I work in information systems. Even bone scan showed something in my shoulders, but it was symmetrical and they called it "degenerative" (which is, apparently, a good thing when alternative is bone mets!)

    Do you like baths or hot showers? I can only relax while under hot water, so I take showers twice a day, and may even sneak one extra here or there.

    As for meals, I decided to give up red meat and sugar. It's not easy for me (especially with sugar), but it's coming along. I eat a lot of steamed vegetables (zucchini, carrots, tomatoes) over healthy grain. I'm originally from eastern Europe, and pretty much grew up on buckwheat. Look it up, and see if you can buy it in your area, ideally at an eastern European ethnic store (Russian, Ukrainian, Bulgarian), because what Whole Foods sells as buckwheat is not roasted correctly and results in a mushy kasha, while what is sold at ethnic stores will give you nice firm flavorful grains that separate easily like rice or couscous.

    Good luck with your first chemo!

  • jenny550
    jenny550 Member Posts: 8
    edited October 2017

    Virgo73-

    I can't help you on the eating, but I'm glad that you were able to talk with your kids! That has by far, been the worst of this so far (which is easy to say since I haven't even met with my onco yet!). Seeing the fear and hurt in the kids' eye's just killed me! My oldest son is 26 and lives in St. Louis- six hours from me- so unfortunately I had to tell him and his wife while Skyping... not easy! My daughter, 25, took it the best and has been to one of my appointments with me. My baby boy, 21, is in the Navy, stationed in Jacksonville, Fl, took it the absolute worst. Oddly enough, I was set to go see him 3 days after I received my dx, so I waited until I was face-to-face with him. My fiance is still kind of a mess and I feel he's in denial (he won't even read through the pamphlet that was given to me by my gyno). I on the other hand have a positive outlook and I'm ready to get this ball rolling! Its so hard for me, not having any answers yet. I'm awaiting my BRCA results, which most likely won't make a difference since I'm pretty sure that I will be going for a double mastectomy anyway. To date, the only info I have is a bad mammo and my biopsy report saying that I have DCIS, ER+...to which my gyno said "thats just what we are calling it right now". He told me that we don't know how aggressive this could be or if it has spread since the biopsy sample was small. He sent me to a surgeon who said the opposite. He said that it has not spread and its not aggressive (this guy was not a people-person and was very rude)! Sooooo, that is when I decided to do some checking and found a respected onco in Wichita, Ks. The only problem with that is, the absolute soonist she could squeeze me in is Oct. 26th...so I wait! Until then, I try every day to give my stress and anxiety up to God! Some days it works, some days it doesn't!! All I know is that we must remember to take things one day at a time...and remember to breathe momma <3

  • Lula73
    Lula73 Member Posts: 1,824
    edited October 2017

    Virgo- the upper back/shoulder/neck pain is very common. Many people hold most of their tension there. I went to the chiropractor right before my BMX w/DIEP recon in Feb and didn't get to go again for a full adjustment until about a month ago. He was alarmed as was the massage lady I went to at the XpressSpa at the airport while waiting for a flight. And the heated roller table at the chiro that I usually love and never want to get up from was absolute torture. Lots of tension built up in those months. I spend a lot of time leaning over laptop/iPhone/iPad. There is actually now a clinical term for the strain on the neck caused by the posture while using electronic devices (can't remember the term right now though). Keep going to the chiropractor while you can and resume again post-surgery when your surgeon says you can and you yourself feel ready after given that go ahead.

    Can't help much on the food. I just eat regular but avoid excessive amounts of soy as it has estrogenic properties. I had to go gluten free a few years ago and it was then that I learned to look at food differently based on what my body needed vs all the hype about "good for you foods". When you're gluten free and go to the store and see "heart healthy whole grains!" advertised all over the place, all I see is out & out poison - at least for my body. And today's good for you foods are usually tomorrow's horrible for you foods. Case in point: margarine, low fat/no fat foods, artificial sweeteners, eggs, red meat, etc. It might be easier just to go with whole foods (shopping on the perimeter of the grocery store), go organic if you want, and avoid estrogenic foods. As someone else mentioned, eating foods/taking supplements that help boost immunity and/or act as anti-oxidants may interfere with your treatment protocol as anything that makes a regular cell stronger will make a cancer cell stronger too. I would wait til treatment is complete before adding those foods/supplements into your diet in great quantities. Hope this helos

  • Virgo73
    Virgo73 Member Posts: 43
    edited October 2017

    Farawaytoo & Lula73 - I went to a chiropractor today and I swear he cracked bones I didn’t even know I had! He said my neck was so knotted up, he recommended that I come in 2x a week. With that classic “text/desk neck” I’m pretty messed up, and with the added stress and anxiety.... just made things worse. When I got that dreaded phone call on Oct. 2 I instantly cut out sugar, all processed food and red meat (which was hard because I’m a meat & potatoe girl). But when you’re told you have Cancer - it’s the easiest decision to make. I actually think I’m catching a little something (maybe from the sudden food change).

    Jenny550 - Oh I feel you with the kiddos... my heart has never been in such agony. But with family unity and God as your source of strength, it makes our journey easier. I’m glad you got a second opinion... my first doctor basically said “test was positive for cancer, so I’d like you to go see a plastic surgeon to see if you want a lumpectomy or a mastectomy” I was like WTH!?!? I thought my mom was going to punch him in the face... Having a doctor you feel confident in is so, soooo worth that second opinion. Praying you get the right doctor and a great team behind you!

    My good news for the day is...I received my PET/CT scan and all looks good - thank you God! So tonight, I can sleep... and build myself up for Chemo.

    Xoxo



  • beach2beach
    beach2beach Member Posts: 996
    edited October 2017

    Virgo,

    Look into the Meditteranean Diet...which is not a diet, but the type of meals eaten in the Meditteranean. Fish, fruits, veggies, meat sparingly,,low carbs, low/no sugar. If you google it you will see, it's not a big change, its more of what not to buy, like cookies, cakes, processed stuff. I bought a cookbook but it honestly is something you can find right on the internet for free. I've been trying to cut the sugar and carbs. Snacks is my hardest part. Cut out alcohol, just as other posters have mentioned its been said to fuel ER+ cancers and I have even read in general by not having alcohol a woman reduces her risk of getting breast cancer.

    It was tough with the kids, I remember. Mine close to the ages of yours, 22,20 and 16. My daughter took it harder than the boys but was right there for me. Tough chicks!

  • Virgo73
    Virgo73 Member Posts: 43
    edited October 2017

    Beach2beach - looked up the diet and you’re right! I can seriously eat like that - it’s really good!! I can eat hummus and tobuli everyday :)

  • jenny550
    jenny550 Member Posts: 8
    edited October 2017

    Virgo- I'm am so happy that your PET scan came back clean, you have been on my mind every-single-day!! And we seriously must have had the same doctor at first because that is how my appt had gone! "I want to act fast since we don't have much information except that you have cancer" and "If the surgeon says he can't get you in for the lumpectomy by next week, let me know, because you WILL be having surgery next week!" I was like HOLD UP!! Why would I go through with a lumpectomy if I'm going to have to turn around and have a dmx anyways! I have a lot of BC on both my mom and dads side, so I think my surgery decision is already made for me! Also, I'm a fire fighter so the less time that I'm off of work, the better!! How is your husband doing with all of this? My fiance is having a really hard time with it and I also think that he is almost scared to touch me. I flat out told him that there is time limit on how much longer I will have my boobs...he better take advantage of that :)

    Stay healthy, get plenty of rest and keep that chin up momma!! You and all of these other beautiful ladies are in my thoughts and prayers!!

  • Virgo73
    Virgo73 Member Posts: 43
    edited October 2017

    Jenny550 - First of all... thank you for your service :). Yes, I’m so glad I got that second opinion. Thankfully you caught it early enough!! My husband has been very supportive... he’s a God send! He turns all of my negatives into positives... I cry because the reality of losing my hair is becoming all to real, he says “We can have some fun with this... let’s get a Red head & a Blonde”! I cry because losing both breasts is scary... he talks to them at night and says “hi friends... I’m going to miss you, but we had our fun”. I don’t know whether or not to laugh, cry or kiss him. Deep down I know it’s all part of God’s plan. I pray every day/night that I’ll get better, and stronger so I can raise my children and grandchildren. This is where our faith gets tested! Stay strong.... c

  • jenny550
    jenny550 Member Posts: 8
    edited October 2017

    Your husband sounds pretty awesome! I get through all of my hard times using humor, (I told my guy, that before long, his boobs were going to be bigger than mine!). Clint has been super supportive, he is just so scared that he is not able to joke about it. We caught it early, so I'm hoping that it is contained. I found out today that my BRCA test was negative, so it looks like I am just a random person that I got cancer! When my best friend was dx with a brain tumor, she asked me to shave her head...that was so much harder than I thought it was going to be. We cried and we laughed! I really pray that your treatment is gentle on your body and your spirit. As far as losing your hair and any other side effects that you might have, just try to find something positive to take away from it. Cry when you need to cry, laugh when you need to laugh, but most importantly, KEEP ON FIGHTING!! And remember, no one fights alone! Use family and friends to help you along the way. You can also message me if you want to, I would be glad to lend you a shoulder!! Our roads are going to get a little bumpy, but rest not my new friend, we will get through this!

    Two things that I live by: Philippians 4:13 and Proverbs 31:25

  • Virgo73
    Virgo73 Member Posts: 43
    edited October 2017

    jenny550 - thanks for your encouraging words. I read through these threads and I’m amazed how there are so many women who have experienced our same “today”, and they are so positive and have a wealth of knowledge! I hope one day I can do the same for a newly dx women. Well, sounds like you’re a lot like my husband - great optisim & energy! Don’t ever lose that spirit, it’s a gift! Believe me, I’m the complete opposite (I think that’s why God paired me with Steve - he keeps me sane) I hope you get a clearer picture when you meet with your oncologist on Thursday. Keep us posted :) (prayers & hugs). By the way “I can do all this through him who gives me strength” thanks for that daily reminder <3

    XOXO

  • Trvler
    Trvler Member Posts: 3,159
    edited October 2017

    I am not sure if I weighed in here or not but I would strongly suggest you go over to the chemo section and join a support group. They usually go by start date. So all the people who start in a month join that month's group. That way, you can talk to other people going through exactly the same thing you are at the same time. I don't think I could have survived chemo without my group. We are still Facebook friends today and the group takes trips together. I haven't been able to go because my kids are 12 and 13. You will know down to the day almost when your hair will fall out and what to do about every side effect you can get. (You won't likely get all of them).

    My best advice during chemo is to exercise daily if you can. It saved me mentally and physically. Eat what you want. I ate a lot of liver. :) I know. Most people think gross but that's what I craved.

  • Spookiesmom
    Spookiesmom Member Posts: 9,568
    edited October 2017

    Good point!! Eat what you CAN, not necessarily what you should.

  • randrgirl
    randrgirl Member Posts: 83
    edited October 2017

    Jenny - just wanted to say that the scripture you list at Philippians has been a strong hold for me during all of this. My faith and my family really is helping me endure.

  • Virgo73
    Virgo73 Member Posts: 43
    edited October 2017

    trvler - thank you for that advice. I’ll chime into that group today... it was actually creepy reading all of those side affects that the Chemo meds can cause... it was like watching those commercials for headaches - where the side affects can cause DEATH! And your’re like, no thanks, I’ll live with the headaches lol

    My first Chemo went awesome today.... I feel like I can clean a few houses... let’s see how I feel tomorrow!

    Hugs and prayers for all of you ladies

    Coxo

  • Trvler
    Trvler Member Posts: 3,159
    edited October 2017

    I know. I understand. But you can get some good help for what to do about side effects IF you have them. I swear I got more good info from that group than from my doctor.

  • beach2beach
    beach2beach Member Posts: 996
    edited October 2017

    Virgo73,

    Glad to hear the first session went well. Your husband is a keeper. That sense of humor probably helps keep him together also. If I don't make jokes about it, I would spend most of my time in the corner sucking my thumb, and I did not have to go through treatments like you do.

    Since my boobs turned against me, they had to go. My new foobs, while not much bigger, I finally have some volume and don't have to wear a bra..now the no bra is a real perk!

  • jenny550
    jenny550 Member Posts: 8
    edited October 2017

    Ugh, I've been up since about 3am! Today I have my first oncology meeting...even saying the word oncology is scary! Virgo I survive on strength and humor, it's the only thing I know! I am so dang happy to hear that your first treatment went ok, I prayed so hard that it would be gentle on you. This site and the women on here are so great and I'm thankful I found the site. I will let you all know what I find out today...wish me luck!! Xoxo


  • swg
    swg Member Posts: 461
    edited October 2017

    Not only is it hard for mammograms to detect tumors in dense breasts, but dense breasts are sadly more likely to get tumors..from a study I saw recently. (I've been doing a lot of research online).

    I, too, have dense breasts.

    In my case, I saw a dimple in my right breast and got it checked out. Mammogram and US showed a mass, so I got a biopsy. It was Stage 1 IDC.

    Now, check this out..in preparing for a lumpectomy, my surgeon (THANK GOODNESS) had me get an MRI. The MRI showed ANOTHER suspicious mass on my right, and 1 on my left.

    I got the right 1 biopsied but I couldn't handle doing the left at the same time..the radiologist who did the biopsy said, she didn't think the one on the left was cancer, and if I wanted to wait on that biopsy, I could. She def felt that the right, from the ultrasound, WAS cancer..and sure enough, she was right.

    I picked up my pathology report today, and get this--I have a 1.3cm mass, Stage 1 again..same biomarkers as the first tumor..in the lower portion of my breast. Not even close to the first one. AND

    it looks like I have a DCIS in situ as well :(

    Neither of which was picked up by my first mammogram or ultrasound.

    I really hope the spot on the left turns out to be nothing, like the radiologist guessed. I'm doing ANOTHER biopsy Monday, just to be sure.

    Apparently mammograms are controversial lately..in Sweden in 2014, they stopped promoting them, because they miss so much and can also lead to overtreatment due to misdiagnosis.

  • swg
    swg Member Posts: 461
    edited October 2017

    oh and btw, I too had a negative BRCA 1/2 test. In fact, I was negative for everything they tested for, and it was a lot.

    It could be weird coincidence or there might be a BC gene they haven't identified yet.

    Or might be environmental.

    My sister ALSO had breast cancer (DCIS in situ). I wonder sometimes if my mom's smoking led to this..we were both exposed to lots of secondhand smoke. Some studies show a correlation; some do not. It's controversial.

    We may never know how we got this crap. :(

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