Starting chemo August 2017 - would love some moral support!
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Rebekah, what a 💩fest! I'm glad your fever is down and counts are back up to a safe level, and am sending positive thoughts your way for port replacement and the rest of your treatment. You really deserve a break from all this!
Willow
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TravelGirl, thanks for the pep talk on radiation - it really helps to hear from someone who's gone thru it, since my RO is a bit too positive sounding for me and I worry that he is sugar-coating things. I'm a realist with a medical background, and I do much better hearing the facts and being able to plan for all the possibilities ahead of time (RN, but have been out of it since my last child was born 22 years ago).
Did you find that front closing bras are really important during radiation? I'm going to shop for a few soft cotton ones the week before chemo starts - any other tips of what will be most comfortable?
Hope TC #3 goes smoothly for you! For me, #3 & 4 were more difficult because of the cumulative effect of chemo on my white counts. I have been "bouncing back" less quickly with each passing round, and have had low grade fevers days 2 and 3 after chemo #3 and #4 (which is too soon for it to be due to low counts, but made me feel crappy - like the start of a bad cold or flu), and then also slowly rising temps days and sore throat/headache starting day 6 or so, that puts me on antibiotics and an extra Neupogan shot this final round. I've also had some peripheral neuropathy in hands and feet (not terrible - but most noticeable at night and makes it hard to fall asleep). It's gone now, but in hindsight, I wish I had asked my MO for sleeping pills. I think being able to get a good night's sleep would've helped me feel much better during the first 2 weeks of chemo 3 & 4.
Have fun planning your trip - hope it's to somewhere awesome where you can be a regular person and enjoy life!
Willow
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Cherry - my MO described chemo as a marathon and the AC is all uphill, while the Taxol is flat ground. Obviously, we are all different, but for most I think this is true. That being said, AC is doable and you seem to be leaning towards it for the same reason as most - do all you can to get healthy. If your MO thinks the outcome is worth the SEs, that's important too
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still catching up with everyone...
Susan & Paulette, thanks for your kind messages - your support really makes a difference since you know exactly what I'm going through!
Paulette - hopefully you are keeping track of your peripheral neuropathy symptoms (the fingertip numbness and pain on the bottom of your feet - what it is like, how bad, when it goes away) and can talk to your MO about it before you have the next chemo. I had similar symptoms after TC#3... my Dr said she would keep the taxotere dose the same for TC#4 since my symptoms were mild and had gone away, but I think she might have lowered my dose if I had a bunch of treatments still to go. Hope it is all gone by now!
Susan, Leatherette, SweetP & DodgersGirl, VL22 - hope you are feeling better after your last rounds! Yay to marking those treatments off as DONE on the calendar!!!
Marooshka, I agree about the bad/missing taste being a rotten side effect! It's hard to eat much when everything tastes bland or terrible. Funny what things are awful (chocolate, cheese, water) and what still tastes fairly normal (lemon, pickles, butterscotch, warm spices like cinnamon, Chinese 5 spice, etc). I have been sniffing my jar of pumpkin pie spice to stimulate my appetite - for some reason that blend of scents just makes me really happy/hungry after chemo. I've been adding it to oatmeal along with fruit and unflavored protein powder, and also sprinkling it on baked sweet potato.... both are easy to eat when my stomach is feeling really rough.
Cherry - what a tough decision to make! I was in the same position after lumpectomy.... my 2 IDC tumors are at the smallest end of the "consider chemo" range, but very aggressive and triple negative so they don't respond to any of the targeted therapies. I needed 5 weeks of radiation to kill any remaining cells in the breast after lumpectomy, but it was my choice whether to have chemo or not. I think making that decision was the most difficult thing about this journey so far. My MO was able to give me some statistics on 5 year outcomes with and without chemo, but in the end, I knew that for my personality, I really needed to have the chemo so that I could relax and know that I had done everything possible to prevent recurrence. I'm a very risk-adverse person who worries about "what ifs", so it was the right choice for me, and even during the worst SE, it has been a comfort to be so certain about my reasons for choosing to do chemo. I think knowing I've done everything possible will give me peace of mind, especially during the first 5 years of monitoring when my type of tumor is most likely to recur. Everyone is different, and someone else (like my husband) could be equally comfortable making the decision not to have chemo, and that would be the right choice for them.... you just need to think about what you will be most comfortable with in the long-term.
Sammi - hope taxol has gone smoothly for Heather... She really deserves a break!
Stay strong everyone - we can do this!
Willow
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Willow - so happy to see you, today is my good day, so I’m happy. I got this shape pains under my feet couple night ago it went away. Last night slept so well, nothing actually happened. Thanks God!! Pumpkin spices I will get some and see how that would do for me. Keep us posted on the radiation so we can learn few things when we step into that stage.
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This might be a touchy subject, but has anyone used Marijuana or CBD OIL for nausea, lack of appetite, or bone pain during Chemo?
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Willow22, yes to butterscotch too! I had a craving for ice cream the other day and I tried 5 flavors before I got to salted caramel. It was the only one I could taste and it was SOOOOO good. I had them put salted nuts on it and it was literally the best thing I ate in days. I can't say I'm on the pumpkin trend, but have also been enjoying chai which is so similar. I think smoke is the worst taste so far. I tried smoked salmon and it was the worst which is a bummer as I was craving the fish oils and enjoyed it last time.
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VL22, PauletteK, so could you please give me more detailes on your ACs, what do you mean when you say uphill? Is it that you feel really bad and nauseuse some days? What would a typical three weeks cycle look like in terms of SEs? What to expect? I do understand the flat ground comparison though, I had almost no problems with Taxol, very few and all manageble. I wish I could rely upon their primärt decision and feel that low dense Taxol was enough but Her2+ changes everything and I feel that I need to do everything possible here. Discontinuing Herceptin worries me but the oncologist says that it is ok to resume within two months
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Cherry - uphill in the sense that running up hill is harder to do. So my MO was saying that AC would probable be tougher than Taxol. I had really bad nausea on AC - the meds didn't work and for the last infusion I got a patch for nausea called Sancuso, which was a God send. In hindsight I should have asked for it sooner. But I didn't get mouth sores like a lot of ladies did. Unfortunately, we can't predict side effects. Some people find Taxol worse.
My dd was every 2 weeks - would find out if every 3 weeks means even stronger dose? I will say that my "bad" days increased with each infusion.
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Thank you VL22, I am so torn due to Herceptin too and the nausea does not sound so appealing. I have a week to make this decision, have some thinking to do. Did you lose your sense oftaste too?
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Cherry - actually I'm the lucky one I'm AC, I have very little bone pains, I heard people were crying for bone pains. Also I only have a little nauseous on day 4,which I have the same problem with taxol. For me on AC day one, totally tired, can't do anything. Day 4 to 7, fatigue is the main problem and lost of appetite. Even I'm tired I can't nap, plenty of GI issues also. Either BIG D or Big C. Believe me I'm the lucky one without bone pains. Forgot about the mouth sore!!
VL - good luck to your DD infusion, you are tough!! I even whine about my mild doeses.
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rlj- marijuana is legal in California, I don’t know anyone try it, but I heard it works well especially on appetite.
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Ree- That’s what Heather had and was hospitalized for neutropenic fever although she has the scalp infection too. I remember the note on her hospital door now that you said it. I’m so sorry you are going through this too. She was anemic too and had 2 pints while hospitalized. She bounced back well so I know you will too.
I haven’t been keep up with you all like I should. I feel bad for not offering more words of encouragement but honestly hurt for those with problems and do celebrate the ones with milder side effects.
You all have been a great support for me although I’m the Mom and not the patient you’re very kind for accepting me into this group.
I am however choking back tears at the moment as we got some rather bad news today. I really hate to share it because I don’t want Heather’s situation make you question or second guess your progress. But you are all fighters and I’m sure will beat this.
However, I feel the need to share what’s going on now. Like I said, Heather’s bounced back quickly from her hospitalization and started her first Taxol treatment last week. She’s had a lot of pain in her left breast where the mass is. I’ve been feeling it as I had posted but it seems to change. Heather got concerned that it was getting larger and it did feel like it was up higher on her breast. So we met with the surgeon that had diagnosed her and wanted the 4.3 cm mass shrunk before doing her mastectomy.
We met with her today and Heather was right about mentioning that she felt it was growing bigger. From examining it today it felt between 7-8cm now, which meant not only did A/C not help at all it’s still grown. She’s only had the one Taxol.
Her surgeon didn’t understand why the oncologist office had her call the surgeon but she was glad to meet with Heather and is straight with us. She did a mammogram and ultrasound on Heather. She showed me on the ultrasound what all was tumor and basically it’s not just the left lower quadrant but now you can feel the upper quadrant. As well it’s pretty much the entire left breast. She said she’d hate to operate just yet. She really wants to see what the Taxol does or at least give it a chance to shrink it. She said she could go ahead with surgery but the scar would be much higher and she wants to shrink it down and try to spare her the heartache of terrible scarring so the reconstruction will look better. But in the sameness breath she said she won’t endanger her life and if we don’t get a response from the Taxol the oncologist could try some other or we will go ahead with surgery and radiation.
She got her oncologist on the phone while we were there. She said he’s aware she didn’t respond to the A/C but I’d have like to have heard that from him. I told her we have to ask all the questions and aren’t the specialist so it puts us at a disadvantage.
I am just going to be straight up with him tomorrow and tell him we want to know and want him to explain everything to us no matter how “insignificant” it may seem to him. Also don’t spare us anything that’s not going well. I do get emotional but a realist and would like to be able to deal with things as they come and not be guessing or looking things up myself and assuming things that may not even relate to her. Like him not telling us it was detected in a lymphnode that time.
I actually heard the surgeon discussing things with him and also heard him speaking and they mentioned other chemo medications. Her surgeon said he’ll want to keep the Taxol going for now she feels but if he doesn’t feel she’s responding either change the chemo type or stop and go ahead with the surgery. Which I think should have been done in her case first.
Sorry to lay all this out and on you guys. But goinrfrom 4.3cm to 7-8cm is frightening. Who cares where the scar is if it’s possibly spreading.
Please send some extra prayers up and love to her. Please take care of yourselves as well. You all have come to mean a lot to me.
I’ll try and remember to post after her appt tomorrow and 2nd Taxol.
Thanks all for your support. I mean it was supposed to be grade 2 not the most aggressive! What the hell?
Samm
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OMG Sammi, you really carried so much burdens and I really hope Heather can remove the lumps as early as she could. They really need to be honest with you and Healther. Will keep Heather in my prays , hugs!!!
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Hi Cherry! I did have my apple brat and it was delicious! It's a sausage made with meat and apples and served in a bun with ketchup, mustard, and saurkraut. I also ate teriyaki chicken and noodlses, caramel apples, and sweet kettle corn. But I paid for it the next day because I used up all my energy.
This week I have felt especially restless and unhappy--I even cried last night about having to spend Christmas alone this year. Thank goodness for lorazepam. My friends are really good at staying in touch; I just want so eone right here with me who can make me soup.
But the good news is that my last chemo is two weeks from today so the end is in sight.
I hope everyone is doing well and staying strong
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Oh Sammi! I am so sad to hear your news about Heather! You are doing an amazing job of keeping on top of things and protecting your girl. I will definitely keep you all in my prayers. I'm really glad you joined our group because we understand how difficult and frustrating and important all this is. We are yours, Sammi! ❤️❤️
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Sammi, my heart goes out to both of you! Praying for taxol to hit the tumor hard tomorrow, and strength as you face this new challenge. You've had so much more than your share to deal with, and yet you still are thinking of all of us.... Sammi, you are a very strong, nurturing person and Heather is blessed to have you in her corner!
Willow
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Rljessu, I haven't tried it because my nausea has been well controlled with meds, and my really low appetite days have been with low fevers when I wouldn't want to rock the boat with any additional med. That said, I'm in Washington where it is legal, and my niece just started a new job with a marijuana startup that offers beverages/foods without any pot smell or taste. I talked with her about how the products could be used for cancer patients, and helping with appetite, anxiety and relaxation for sleep were the ones I remember being interested in. My niece gave me a "happy apple" soda that she said is like a glass of wine to relax with before going to bed (low dose), and I'm going to give it a try if I have another bad night trying to sleep
If you are in a "legal" state, I think it would be helpful to go to a medicinal dispensary because my niece said they are very knowledgeable about which strains are most helpful for specific needs. I don't know if you'll get that kind of info from a recreational dispensary.
I asked my MO about it (who laughed when I asked her), and she said it was fine to try for those reasons. MO said it wouldn't really help with bone pain from the injections.
Willow
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Sammi, I am so sorry to hear of the news with Heather. I hope you are able to extract a little clarity from the doctor so at least you know what you are dealing with.
Rljessu, I am in Washington state, too, and I have tried CBD. Once it seemed to really help, the other time, not so much. I was trying to avoid THC, but some may be helpful, especially on the days when I can barely get out of bed and start to get depressed. I'm seeing if I can do without, (like willow, worried some effects would make things worse)but am open to it if needed.
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I live in a legal state and I can tell you that when I was first DX, I used CBD oil to deal with things (my SIL brought me some to help me calm down, it was pure oil no THC) - it really really helped. You can buy this legal in any state -
I now occasionally use both CBD oil or CBD oil with THC (from a Brand called Mary's Medicinals) when I want to go to sleep or just relax. Much fewer and far between -- its really only when I am tired and feel that I won't be able to go to sleep. I highly value sleep so, I will do what I can to get it 7-8 hours every night at a minimum. I am even finding 10+ is helping during the later treatments.
Starting from my first appt -- I discussed with my MO (use of CBD Oil) -- she was fine with it, she said not to smoke it - to use the oils and tincture (sp?). She even offered to give me a medical use card. If I need to travel with it, I will get one, otherwise I just bought what was legal (on line) and then ventured into a store with my girlfriend that was visiting (part of an outing, it was interesting!)
I don't love the taste of the regular -- so for me the CBD only and the CBD oil w/ light THC is about all I am interested in. I would not hesitate to try more if didn't feel well - I am always open to alternative medicine and I think the mix of eastern/western is a good thing.
Its your life, your journey and I think you should be wiling to try things to see if they work. I encourage all of you to open your mind - it takes a mix of both standard and alternative to find the best path forward.
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Travel - sounds very interesting that CBD oil can relax you to sleep 10hours plus, I am happy to have 7-8 hours sleep occasionally half an hour nap I will be happy. When you use the oil do you burn it?
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Cherry - I did not lose my taste. In fact, I was starving on AC and ate a lot and enjoyed it! Eating made me feel less nauseous. Now on Taxol, certain foods taste bad to me - like sweets
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Paulette -- oil is oral -- under tongue let it sit for a few and then swallow
The 10 hours of sleep is on the first week - post nelasta, nasuea meds -- only for a few days when needed - i let my body decide, i don't set alarms right now. most of the time it is the 7-8 hours solid. In my regular life, I am 7 hour sleep like clockwork person
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I have heard that the real benefits of CBD are better with even a tiny bit of THC. A friend brought me a lot of different products to try that all had an equal amount of CBD/THC including a salve, sleeping pills, oils for a vape pen, you name it. I have not tried most of the ones with anything extra in it as none of those ingredients have been tested with chemo drugs, but once chemo is done I am going to try them. CBD needs to build up for quite a while I believe to feel the effects for things like pain management. The 1/2 chocolate I did eat did wonders for my achey joints. I just am not a fan of it lasting 5 or 6 hours! Could only do that on a Sunday when there were no responsibilities or people to deal with.
Paulette I am by no means an expert, but living in CO it is hard to not pick up some info here and there. The oils that are used in vape pens have different extraction methods with different pros/cons. My understanding is that oil extracted using CO2 is cleaner and has less chance of having any bad boogie in it than the butane extracted ones (and that sounds terrible!). The vape pens have chargeable batteries that heat the oil enough to inhale. And this site: https://www.leafly.com/ lets you go through a wizard of sorts to select the features you are hoping for in a strain. Some of them will actually tell you to just go right to bed after partaking. Again, I'm no expert. That chocolate was the first bit I've had in a very long time! I am definitely in the minority among my fellow CO residents.
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Sammi, I am so sorry to hear what you all are going through, I really hope the doctors together will soon figure out the best regimen for Heather, It must be very hard for you but you are such a fighter, keep doing it for your and her sake.
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VL22, I definitely did not lose any taste on Taxol, olive oil tasted a bit bitter otherwise I eat more than I should and gain weight. I have another problem, I am seeing flashes in the corners of my both eyes and I went to ophthalmologist who confirmed that it is a sign of retina detachment but so far it looks fine. I experience the flashes come more often right after infusion and the following days and then subside. I do not want another regimen to go hard on my eyes. Tamoxifen in the future can be tough on the eyes too and cause cataract. Really do not know what to do, I asked another oncologist for the second opinion awaiting her reply. At some point I was looking forward to be done with chemo in four weeks and now if I agree to do AC it means I will be done by the end of the December. Definitely do not know what to do.
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Cherry - so if you decided to do AC for how many infusion? 4? Are you using AC to replace taxol? I have days that my taste buds went bad with taxol, I wish I can eat more. Now I eat many small meals could be my stomach shrinks already.
Marooshka - I do agree we suffer so much from BC, if anything can help out our pains and suffering that will be great. My SIL has BS mets to her bone and liver, that might be something can ease her pains.
My PT gave me tips, she suggested that we should massage our incisions before radiation because radiation will cause the muscle more tightness.
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Paullette, in that case I will replace three remaining weekly doses of Taxol with three AC once in three weeks and I really do not know what to do, AC seems to be a really tough regimen, I am not sure I will be able to tolerate it that well after Taxol, AC is ususally given in the beginning.
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Cherry - if I were in your shoes and if you have faith in your MO, I'd ask for the benefits of doing the AC. It is obviously a very personal decision. I am onewho would say yes to anything that could fight this beast, whereas others really fear chemo and it's possible long term effects, which is understandable. I woul think your MO would be able to make you feel more confident about your decision.
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VL22, we already have, she says that weekly Taxol was a baseline chemo for me but since I wanted some more this is what they can offer. AC is a tougher chemo and my tumor had high Ki67, but Taxol can be given with Herceptin which is important but has to be discontinued while on AC and then resumed later. I can choose either Cherry
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