September 2017 Surgery Group

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  • raven4mi
    raven4mi Member Posts: 562
    edited October 2017

    Had my 2nd post-op appointment with PS subsequent to my final exchange. He asked me what I thought and, of course, I told him how unhappy I am with the results. He had me first put my bra on, then my blouse and said he can certainly see why I'm unhappy.

    The plan for now is for him to prescribe the pentoxyfillene and vitamin E but he says he needs to consult with a radiation oncologist to figure out dosages, etc. as he's never prescribed them before. I told him not to bother with my RO as she absolutely refused to prescribe it as it wasn't "indicated" and God forbid she would think outside the box for one second. He said he's glad I told him that because that's who he would have called first and he said he wasn't surprised by her response because she's very "dogmatic" and by the book. He's going to consult another RO from a different hospital instead. He was hesitant to prescribe the oral meds and only wanted to do the cream but I will insist on both. If he won't prescribe the orals I'll go to my family practitioner and get it from him. Failing that I'll get my naturopath to prescribe it.

    If those meds don't make any or enough improvement then he said our next step is to try to keep lifting the left side little by little but not for at least a year. He has to be careful because, due to the mastectomy, the breast doesn't get blood flow from below it like a regular breast would.

    At this point I'm glad I have a plan to try to improve the results and for now I can live with camouflaging for a year or two – there are lots of flowery/busy prints in my future. Plus, I have now had to put off getting new kitchen counter tops for two years in a row due to our out of pocket expenses piling up so in the intervening years I'm getting my darned counter tops! I'm getting my life back!

  • Joyseeker
    Joyseeker Member Posts: 312
    edited October 2017

    Oh Raven. Not the day you were looking for I'm sure. Thinking about you

  • MFPM
    MFPM Member Posts: 69
    edited October 2017

    Hi Ladies, I'm not new to this site but am to this group.  I had a mastectomy (can't believe I'm saying it) September 26th.  Was wondering if it's normal considering it's almost 8 days now and I still feel very weak.  I mean I get up each day but I don't do much.  I am not taking any pain meds, just coping with the drain, doing arm exercises and am  an emotional mess.  I will see my surgeon next Monday who will refer me to an onc.  I was already through a lumpectomy, diagnosed in 2015, 9 months of preventative chemo and 3 months of radiation that I finished in April of this year.  Weeks later upon my 1st check up, a Dr. came running in the room during the sono, saying he saw something suspicious.  I told him that according to a radiologist, it was just a cyst that was seen/recorded prior to the lumpectomy.  Unfortunately it wasn't which lead me to this surgery.  I feel floored, a horror on top of a nightmare that I was ready to get out of, take a vacation etc..  So due to that mistake, it's been 2 years of this, which I thought was gone, but no, left there until last week. Any advice for physical and emotional healing right now?  I was taking Exemestane which I know is needed, pathology 95% estrogen but they told me not to take it until I resume with their Dr..  I changed my diet and my cosmetics to mostly natural.  I also fear more treatment may be coming, though I will not know until I see him, plus the Onco test.  I'm grateful to be alive but getting tired of this running my life.  I did not do reconstruction (maybe in the future), just wanting to be clear and cured!  As far as I know from the biopsy pathology, this one that was left in me was ER+ & PR+ and an 8/9 on the Nottingham scale, much higher than the 1st which I know is not good.  I can't believe this happened and I haven't even had the nerve to look at myself yet. :'(


  • raven4mi
    raven4mi Member Posts: 562
    edited October 2017

    MFPM, I'm so sorry that you're going through all this but glad you found these boards. You'll find lots of support here.

    As for feeling weak after only 8 days, I'd say that's pretty standard. Personally, I found that recovery from the anesthesia was the thing that took the longest. The physical recovery from the surgery wasn't too bad but, man, even taking a bath or shower required a 2-hour nap for recovery in the first 2-3 weeks.

    As for emotional healing, does your hospital or surgery center have any kind of support group or counseling that you can tap into? Please don't feel like you "should" feel a certain way - everyone meets these challenges different ways. For me, I got (and still have) a fair amount of anger over everything I've been through.

    Sending you gentle hugs!!!

  • EastcoastTS
    EastcoastTS Member Posts: 864
    edited October 2017

    MFPM:

    Exhaustion after 8 days is completely normal I think. I was not "myself" with regard to energy level for a month or more. It took time. I agree with Raven. I feel part of the issue is anesthesia recovery. REST and don't feel badly for having to rest. I just tried to get a lot of protein, slept a lot when I needed to but also walked when I could to get my energy levels back to normal. And I read a lot on this site about recovery.

    I'm so sorry about the missed tumor and lengthy journey you've had. I get you -- I've only been dealing with this since Dec. but I'm tired of breast cancer and breasts in general myself at this point. Again with Raven: can you ask your doctor or nurse navigator/surgical center about support? Mine had a social worker who we could reach out to. Also a therapist on the survivorship care office side. Many people have asked their doctor for an anti-depressant to take during this challenging time. I took something when first diagnosed to help me sleep.

    You are not alone in this. Take one day at a time. One breathe at a time. You will get through this.

  • Joyseeker
    Joyseeker Member Posts: 312
    edited October 2017

    Two weeks post op yesterday. I decided to "tidy" my house, it was driving me batty. I laid down for an after supper nap at 6pm. Woke up at 9pm and proceeded to bed. I slept till 6am. Basically anything besides bathroom trips are exhausting. I thought I was doing well but I am still lacking energy. I'm at day medical today to have my staples out. I will need a nap this afternoon for sure.

    Claim what you need. I am learning healing isn't linear. There's to template or timeline. It just is. Comfy naps, good tea, warm baths and rest to you all today.....

  • Joyseeker
    Joyseeker Member Posts: 312
    edited October 2017

    Staples out. I'm pretty proud of my healing. Any tips for getting the barium contrast down for my CT tomorrow? image

  • QueenTess
    QueenTess Member Posts: 1
    edited October 2017

    Bilateral mastectomy was done as day surgery on 19th, with rx for 5 tablets of tylenol with codeine. Had a home nursing visit on 20th, then nothering until the 29th and 30th. Finaly attended at Urgent Care to have drains removed on 1st.

    It's been over 2 weeks since surgery and still no biopsy result. I'm swollen, frustrated, tired, cranky and in pain.

  • Joyseeker
    Joyseeker Member Posts: 312
    edited October 2017

    QueenTess. You and I have close surgery dates. What has helped me has been doing something that lowers my anxiety everyday. Knit. A shallow bath with a good book. I hope you hear results soon. It's not easy. I had my mom take me to superstore today (I'm also in a cast, non weight bearing ankle fracture) and I suddenly broke down and needed to go home. I'm exhausted tonight

  • DodgersGirl
    DodgersGirl Member Posts: 2,382
    edited October 2017

    anyone from this September surgery group going to have radiation in October???

  • MFPM
    MFPM Member Posts: 69
    edited October 2017

    Raven4mi & Eastcoast TS, Thank you for the support.  I've been questioning myself, why am I feeling so woozy and weak, figuring I should be better.  I'm not a super active person to begin with but not up to walking the dogs or just doing simple things out of the house.  At least I did get out twice locally via a ride for a few minutes, that's it, knowing I can't tolerate more just yet.
      Yes, the missed tumor was seen in 2015 along with the other one but the radiologist Dr. at a hospital decided that it was just a cyst, not biopsying as ordered.  I am somewhat bitter since had he done so, it would've been removed during the lumpectomy, simple as that and now I don't know where I stand in terms of it being left there, the pathology so worse than the other etc., after almost 2 years worth of going through this, with treatment.
      I'm not quite sure how I've been doing all of this except for others' Prayers since I don't consider myself a strong person but have just been doing what they tell me so far.  As for support, there's really nothing local and my hospital is in Manhattan, depending on rides in horrible traffic conditions.  I will look again to see if there's anything closer but as far as I know, no.  I don't have much support via close family or friends so I basically feel and am alone too much.
      I'll continue to move slow and try to do little things to get back to my normal self or close to it for now anyway.  Again, thanks so much for reaching out and much luck to everyone!

  • raven4mi
    raven4mi Member Posts: 562
    edited October 2017

    MFPM, even if you're not seeking treatment at a more local hospital/health clinic there may be something available for support closer to you. I can't hurt to check the local places.

    Just another note on the anesthesia thing, I read somewhere that a good rule of thumb was to plan one week of recovery for every 1 hour of anesthesia, and that seems to have held up for me, especially after the first 2-3 surgeries I had.

  • EastcoastTS
    EastcoastTS Member Posts: 864
    edited October 2017

    MFPM:

    I get you about the NYC traffic. I used to live in Astoria and traveled into Manhattan for work. Yikes on many days of the week.

    However, there is also phone support through American Cancer Society and others. They have survivors to talk to I'm pretty sure. Google and see what is out there. Maybe just having someone to talk to about this (in person sort of) will really help.

    Thinking of you!

  • Wonderwoman386
    Wonderwoman386 Member Posts: 48
    edited October 2017

    I can’t put a price tag on water. DRINK DRINK DRINK, then DRINK SOME MORE WATER. It is so good for your skin and healing, also great at flushing out the anesthesia.

    I am posting op week 4. I’m done chemo round 1 and 2 fills of my expander, I have a fill to go.

    I can finally, FINALLY pick up my 5 month old daughter without pain and fully participate in her care, I finally have more energy and arm ROM and strength.

    I developed axillary web syndrome post lymphnode dissection, I have a long thick cord in my armpit that causes pain through my elbow and sometimes my wrist. I’ve met with a lymphedema physical therapist and the soft tissue massage, roller massage ball at home and a range of motion, stretch routine prescribed by her is finally working and decreasing my pain.

  • DodgersGirl
    DodgersGirl Member Posts: 2,382
    edited October 2017

    wonderwoman386-- how wonderful that you can pick up your 5 month old once again!!

    Glad you are getting good results from your physical therapy!

  • EastcoastTS
    EastcoastTS Member Posts: 864
    edited October 2017

    Wonderwoman:

    YEAH! on picking up your daughter. That alone is healing.

  • Julz42XX
    Julz42XX Member Posts: 29
    edited October 2017

    How are you doing?I'm kinda in the same boat as you & I'm so scared!

    I'm 41 in the last 2 weeks I went in for what I thought was a routine mamogram well it was abnormal! Long story short I have left 15mm stage1 triple positive then right 13mm stage2 triple negative. I met my surgeon meeting oncologist next week... How did u do with chemotherapy? Im supposed to start a new job at the end of the month.

    I have to do chemo then dbl masectomy.

    I hope you have a speedy recovery!!

  • MamaFelice
    MamaFelice Member Posts: 216
    edited October 2017

    Thank you ladies! Had port successfully placed yesterday morning. Definitely sore-- though also due to flu shot in same arm the day before-- had to squeeze that in before chemo too. My left arm/shoulder has to take on everything now that right side is out of commission due to node removal. New normal.

    I did get fitted for my lymphadema sleeve-- I ordered a plain tan one and a tan one with tattoo on it to have fun. I will need to wear it for exercise, travel and change in altitude. No major lymphadema issues yet, but being proactive to keep it under control. Therapist explained it all so well. My range of motion is getting better every day. My left side totally fine while my right side where nodes also removed has a ton of scar tissue to work through.

    Castigate-- my insurance has approved the lymphadema pump. I will be trying it out at one of my next PT sessions. Do you or anyone else have/use one?

    I was able to get my prosthetics and bras too! I ordered 2 tan, 1 black and 1 red for fun!! They will arrive in a week. What do you wear for exercising? I don't want to wear the heavy ones I just ordered-- those more for special occasion, and the knitted knockers I have, though soft and cozy will not be good for exercise. Would love any input on where to get other such forms. I am staying at a B cup--was DD.

    Hugs to all! 🦋

  • Castigame
    Castigame Member Posts: 752
    edited October 2017

    wonderwoman, i picture you picking up your baby and i am smiling and in awe.

    Mamafelice, glad you are doing better. I cannot wait to use lymphedema pump again. I am even getting a minor surgery on my good arm (sentinel biopsy only) to be able to use the pump on my good arm as well as bad arm. I am what they call flattie. No bra all the time. I may wear mastectomy bras w forms on rare occassions.

    Take care sisters.


  • MamaFelice
    MamaFelice Member Posts: 216
    edited October 2017

    Castigame-- sounds like you have used the lymphadema pump before. Can you share your experience.... when you used it, and how it did or did not help? I really want to do what I can to help my lymph system heal and avoid full throttle lymphadema.

  • Joyseeker
    Joyseeker Member Posts: 312
    edited October 2017

    Wonderwoman. Nothing like the healing feel of snuggling a baby against you 💜. How was your first chemo? I meet with my MO on Oct 18 for the plan. I'm terrified...

  • Wonderwoman386
    Wonderwoman386 Member Posts: 48
    edited October 2017

    Julz42- I’m scared too. All the time.

    Joy seeker- first chemo I was excited and anxious, ready to kick some ass, the infusion wasn’t bad, completely uneventful, I’m a “cheap date” and when I got home the premeds or the chemo not sure which but I slept 14hrs! The day after I had good energy, still felt normal, did my normal mom thing and got my neulasta shot. today is “day 2” I’m sore, like I did too much cardio at the gym sore, some nausea, and I’m very emotional. Baby is at the sitters, husband at work, just me and the tv.

    I’m my own worst enemy, the fear is sometimes paralyzing.

  • AngelaJL
    AngelaJL Member Posts: 94
    edited October 2017

    DodgersGirl, I was supposed to start radiation the end of October, but when I saw the radiologist on Wednesday - exactly three weeks after surgery - he said he wasn't satisfied with the way my incisions were healing, and he sent me back to my surgeon. So I saw the surgeon yesterday, and he said I'm just a slow healer and will need another 4-6 weeks before starting radiation.

    My biggest concern is that I really need the radiation to be complete by the end of the year, as my very-high-deductible insurance plan resets on January first, and I really don't want to have to pay all of those out-of-pocket deductible expenses again in a just few months. So I sure hope I start healing more quickly!

  • DodgersGirl
    DodgersGirl Member Posts: 2,382
    edited October 2017

    AngelaJL- is there something you can take to assist with healing ?? A vitamin or supplement? (Recommended by BS, of course).

    Hope you are able to finish your treatments in 2017. Fully understand about starting over in 2018 with deductibles and out of pocket costs. I will be doing that in 2018 with hysterectomy surgery

  • MamaFelice
    MamaFelice Member Posts: 216
    edited October 2017

    Isn't it unfortunate that we have to perform an insurance dance in order to receive the best and most affordable care. But, we don't want to fool with infection!! I worked with a woman 20 years ago that had BC and passed away due to an infection at one of her incision sites that she neglected to bring to the docs attention. It was all so sad. I could have started chemo next week, but asked to start another week later because I want to ensure I am totally healed from surgery before my immune system plummets. Always be your own advocate!!

    Maybe ask if the radiologist can pro-rate your treatments and bill you all at once in 2017. See if there is a financial advocate at your hospital that can help you with such. Maybe if you have to record some in 2018, the hospital can bill you a negotiated rate. Writing out loud here to generate ideas for all of us to share re all our medical bills. I almost passed out when I saw the bill for my BMX surgery. Thankful for insurance coverage on that! I too will have my oopherectomy in the new year with the new deductible to be met and will be talking to the financial person for help.

  • Joyseeker
    Joyseeker Member Posts: 312
    edited October 2017

    I read your ladies posts and I'm so grateful I'm Canadian. I can't imagine having to navigate insurance and medical coverage along with my diagnosis. My heart goes out to you 💜

  • AngelaJL
    AngelaJL Member Posts: 94
    edited October 2017

    MamaFelice, thank you for the suggestions. If it looks like radiation treatments will spill over into the new year, I will definitely bring this up with the radiologist.

    Joyseeker, I envy Canada its sane health care policies!

  • Castigame
    Castigame Member Posts: 752
    edited October 2017

    I totally agree that U.S. insurance system is messed up. I knew that breast biopsy abroad using same technic is about $1000.00. Insurance company actually paid about $18,000 and my portion was $5000.00

    I guess I am lucky in a sense BC blew up in early Jan of this yr. I am done w mission critical txs. I am getting orthopedic surgery and total hyst this month. I am determined only to have yearly ded starting next year. My ded is $3200 and due to maintenance care which includes scans for BC there is no way avoiding it.

  • Joyseeker
    Joyseeker Member Posts: 312
    edited October 2017

    What would my bill be? Mamo, US, biopsy, mastectomy with two night hospital stay, two trips to day medical for drains and staples, chest X-ray, abdomal US, CT scan, bone scan, one apt with nurse navigator, two apts with social worker at cancer centre, script for Ativan, ciprolex and a sleeping pill. I haven't even met my MO yet. Cha Ching 😳🤑

  • MFPM
    MFPM Member Posts: 69
    edited October 2017

    Is anyone who recently had surgery having trouble with swelling and pain?  It's almost 2 weeks since I had a mast., wearing the compression bra and 1 drain which seems to put out more over night, but I'm still so swollen, side, back, arm etc., plus my upper rib hurts probably from the drain or bra.  Not whining but feeling worse, achy, still exhausted but doing the arm exercises as prescribed.  Supposed to get the drain out on Monday during my visit with the surgeon.
    P.S. ~ What doesn't hurt is numb, no feeling, very weird.  Any advice for any of these problems?

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