Titanium allergy?

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jdp1886
jdp1886 Member Posts: 2

I am here posting for my wife. Around August of last year, there was a mass found in her breast. The doctor biopsied it, and it came back benign. A titanium marker was placed where the mass is.

Two months later, a patch of my wife's hair fell out. Her hair continues to thin. She experienced low grade fevers for a month and a half straight. She gets white-splotchy rashes on her legs and sometimes on her stomach. She experiences night sweats. Reactive lymph nodes have swelled to decent size all over her body.

The doctors have ruled out lupus, leukemia, lymphoma, sarcoidosis, rheumatoid arthritis, tuberculosis, and HIV. They are dumbfounded, but refuse to listen when I mention the clip. Perhaps it is rare, but it makes CHRONOLOGICAL sense. The doctors keep saying it's stress from the breast biopsy playing hell on her body, but wouldn't that stop by now?

Anybody else experienced/heard of this kind of thing? We are baffled. My wife is obviously having trouble with it all. Although the fevers have subsided, she is still losing hair and experiencing the rest of the symptoms.

Any comments would be appreciated. And I should mention that two weeks ago her white blood cell count spiked to 15.7. The doctor called her in the next morning for more blood work, and her count was normal again (around 7). What is going on? Titanium clip?

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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2017

    Any doc who told me that all of those symptoms were from stress.. I would run away from that doctor and never look back.

    Sorry i don't have any specific advice or idea what it is but just wanted to say go to another doctor that will listen better. I'm glad they ruled out some scary stuff like lupus etc, but then giving up andattributing all this to stress seems lame.

    I wonder about something hormonal at least for part of the symptoms. (So maybe more than one thing going on?) Have her hormones been checked? How old is your wife and what was the benign mass? I am in 49 in perimenopause (told it can go on for years) and have been having the thinning hair, night sweats, hot flashes. Had a "flare up" of breast cysts at the same time and a solid mass that was rather mysterious though benign. Lo and behold turns out there was cancer in that breast too -- highly hormone sensitive. Barely caught it.

    Oh editing to add -- I do have another idea. Maybe an inflammatory reaction not to the clip exactly but to the mass itself. My "mystery" mass showed chronic reactive inflammatory changes. The thought later was that whatever was there (by the time they biopsied it it was just dead tissue in the center) my own immune system had attacked and killed it. I was also having some immune issues and low grade fevers last year. Hmm.

  • Moderators
    Moderators Member Posts: 25,912
    edited June 2017

    We are really sorry to hear about all your wife is experiencing. Have you considered talking to your doctor about the possibility of having the clip removed?

  • jdp1886
    jdp1886 Member Posts: 2
    edited June 2017

    Thanks for the words offered so far. Yes, we are scheduling an appointment to have the mass removed soon. The only scary part of that is now my wife is scared that if the doctors are right and the original biopsy put her body under a lot of stress, thus causing all of these symptoms,what will the mass removal surgery do? The body is a strange instrument, indeed.

  • 911dfs
    911dfs Member Posts: 1
    edited September 2017

    I am currently having the same type of issue. I have a biopsy in June 2017 and starting in July 2017 I started with fatigue and now major joint pain and swelling. I feel like I'm 90 but I'm only 42. They have run all kinds of blood work with no definitive answers. Rheumatoid factor negative, lupus negative, Lymes disease negative. The most they say is inflammation. I have never hurt this bad ever before. My joints and bones just hurt. Not muscle. I do have a titanium marker in my left breast. I've never had a problem with metals before but this seems to make the only sense for my sudden onset of symptoms.

  • MelissaDallas
    MelissaDallas Member Posts: 7,268
    edited September 2017

    Correlation does not equal causation, and is extremely unlikely

  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited September 2017

    I have titanium throughout my body, from the pre-lumpectomy clip, to a spinal fusion , to two total hip replacements. I've not had a problem, thank goodness! People can be allergic to anything though.

  • Bosombuddy101
    Bosombuddy101 Member Posts: 182
    edited September 2017

    I'm curious, are these metal clips placed only for breast cancer patients or also for prostate cancer and testicular cancers patients?

  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 19,603
    edited September 2017

    Just found this thread.

    Just because titanium is the most unreactive metal within the body, doesn't mean it's not the causative source.

    Let's just accept that weirdness happens.

    I learned through observation and good detective work that I'm allergic to polyurethane IV catheters. Was it stark no. Just caused tissue necrosis at entry. Looked like a three to four day old entry site after 24 hours with the insertion only being from 5-30 minutes. Took weeks to heal versus < than hours. I'm fine with Teflon.

    Is this happening nationwide. Unknown. Hahaha I'm superlative at detective work. What does poor Jane doe know about IV catheters and questions to ask and how to evaluate IV sites.

    The point being jdp, is you are in the ballpark. Recent cause and affect application of trouble shooting after all has been ruled out is a reasonable approach. If the titanium is removed and symptoms disappear within a year without any other factors being altered. Then you have a causative agent. A year is arbitrary. The immune system once disturbed is/ can take time to calm down. Sometimes it never calms down. BUT if the titanium serves no present purpose. Then removal is an option

    They may state that removal may cause further problems i.e. infection potential by a perceived non reactive agent. Just because it is the most nonreactive metal doesn't make it an absolute.

    For those that object to that statement, relook at the detective work that has been done on her case. If you can offer suggestions for other things to be studied, do so.

    I was given radioactive Iodine in 2014 for thyroid cancer. I think I'm through it's side effects. I did make a declaration at one point and was proven wrong. Was my reaction normal. OF COURSE NOT, but was I able to potentially change the world, yes. Because I alerted the controlling body on the drug that wrote the protocols for use. It was fun. No one picked up on the absence of skin protocol since the late 40's when it started to be used.

    Can one person make a change? Can on person ask the right question? Can your wife be one in a million with this complaint? Possibly, but then if it works out for her, someone will write a paper. It falls under the category of case study. From case studies, others look. Either doc's in specialties or researchers that do studies.

    Go for it, if she's willing.

  • Ginger_16
    Ginger_16 Member Posts: 52
    edited September 2017

    Hi , I was wondering how your wife is doing now ? Has she had the mass removed along with the clip . I am in a similar sitution. I don't think I will last long before I get the mass and clip out of me . I suffer from so many allergies. Good luck to you both .

  • Greg1969
    Greg1969 Member Posts: 1
    edited October 2017

    i have a form of cancer esthesioneuroblastoma, on removing the tumour they closed the gap in my cranium with a titanium plate, ever since i have had joint pains, fever, headaches, reduced cognitive responses, blurred vision , constant itchy skin and to top it off i now react badly to the contrast fluid they use in MR scanner. Now 1 year down the road the doctors conceive that all my problems are a reaction to the titanium plate. I am now scheduled to have it removed and replaced with some plastic polymer. I see how it goes

  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 19,603
    edited October 2017

    Greg interested to hear your outcome. Good Luck

  • swg
    swg Member Posts: 461
    edited November 2017

    OMG, yeah..my breast was itching like crazy and I'm pretty sure it's from the titanium marker, but no one at the Imaging Center believed me.

    I hate when Drs. think you're making stuff up.

  • swg
    swg Member Posts: 461
    edited November 2017

    OMG, yeah..my breast was itching like crazy and I'm pretty sure it's from the titanium marker, but no one at the Imaging Center believed me.

    I hate when Drs. think you're making stuff up.

  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 19,603
    edited November 2017

    SWG Hi I saw you on a different thread There are two itching threads going right now.

    Itching can be normal as a healing process and it can be abnormal. One tissue disruption, or two can be a symptom of something else.

    2012-On my craniotomy incision with the tissue disruption. The whole thing the way it was done, caused just awful itching. Forehead and scalp. Now 2017, not so much. The first year was lots and lot's and , more lot's, but I expected it and worked with it. Less each year after the first. Probably sucked for the first several years. Yes, sucked big time. But now I'm beginning to forget what I call the "troubled time" Other's may say whatever about my phrase. But if you heard the story you'd puke. I'd rather just say the troubled time.

    This is your troubled time, If you really think it's the Titanium that was left in as a marker. Hells bells it's your body. It could be just a healing thing or it could be a sensitivity/allergy thing.

    SWG I know we talked something let me go back and look. I know it's within the last couple of days Duh. Memory that used to be wonderful now sucks.

  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 19,603
    edited November 2017

    SWG where did we meet? I checked on the two itching threads I've posted on and you weren't there. But I recognize your screen name?

  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 19,603
    edited January 2018

    https://community.breastcancer.org/forum/83/topics/813169?page=1&post_creation=true#post_5127182

    The above link is to another thread that discusses Titanium allergy.

    Multiple cases where metal testing did in fact show Titanium as the causative factor.

    Once a drug or device has been shown to cause an Adverse Event, please insist that the following be done.

    IMPORTANT: next step in the process is that the FDA reporting paperwork for "Adverse Event" Should be sent in by the provider. It's a requirement, but how compliant docs are who knows. Reporting of adverse events with drugs and medical devices is under the oversight by the FDA.

    Once a threshold level of reports are received by the FDA, they send out a warning and or add a warning to the paperwork related to the device or drug.


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