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  • lala1
    lala1 Member Posts: 1,147
    edited September 2017

    Dodgersgirl---I believe it was you asking about turmeric and I said I'd check with my MO when I saw him. Well, that was today and I told him I had a number of people wanting to take it but some doctors were saying not to. Mine is one that is ok with it and I asked specifically why he was. He said there aren't any real studies out but the basic reasoning is that turmeric is considered SLIGHTLY estrogenic. The reason he lets me take it is that Tamoxifen blocks estrogen so even if it is estrogenic Tamoxifen will block it. But he's less likely to let someone on an AI take it because AIs don't allow your body to make estrogen but he feels it may not work when you're actually ingesting something that may be estrogenic. It's one reason he also allows me to to drink/eat small amounts of soy as long as it's in it's natural form. He also wanted me to know that he's tried to do a lot of research on turmeric because it seems to help so many woman with joint pain and he said any study done has been done on mice and we humans just don't translate that well to mice results. So! Bottom line, I can continue with Tamoxifen. He is running the BCI test as we speak which will tell me if I stay on Tamoxifen, swap to an AI or drop all therapy. He said it's 99.9% accurate. He is still not convinced I should swap to an AI. Said it only improves my odds by 2-3%. He said there's much more benefit for node positive. He even said he has found grade to not make much of a difference which is very reassuring for me since I was grade 3. So as of Feb 1st I'll hit my 5 years on Tamoxifen and will make a change then. If it's to an AI I may have to give up turmeric which would really suck!

  • DodgersGirl
    DodgersGirl Member Posts: 2,382
    edited September 2017

    laka1- wow!! Thanks for all the info on turmeric. Unfortunately, I will be on an AI.

    I also found Curamed (product name) item online that has turmeric and called Estrogen Balance. The product description says, "BCM-95® Curcumin is the clinically studied active compound from turmeric that supports healthy liver function to help effectively eliminate toxins that mimic estrogen and contribute to estrogen dominance. It also offers powerful cellular protection from the risk of oxidative damage."

  • ChelleG
    ChelleG Member Posts: 540
    edited September 2017

    Hello bc friends, I am usually on the metastatic threads. I had to stop by here and let you all in on something. I was dx 2yrs ago stage IV right out of the gate. I have bone metastasis. I have taken tamoxifen,turmeric and CBD/THC for the duration of the dx. Every scan has shown improvement and finally,my last scan came back NED no evidence of disease!!! I have never done harsh chemo or radiation. Tamoxifen se's are bad,but not so bad,now that I know that it's kicking cancers ass!!!

    Love to all!!! ChelleG

  • TWills
    TWills Member Posts: 679
    edited September 2017

    That's wonderful ChelleG! Thank you for sharing:)


  • EastcoastTS
    EastcoastTS Member Posts: 864
    edited September 2017

    Thanks, ChelleG, for the update! Hope you continue on a wonderful, healthy path!!!

  • Artista928
    Artista928 Member Posts: 2,753
    edited September 2017

    One day something is ok, the next it isn't. I take tumeric curcumin with black pepper when I have an long lasting or too warm of a flush and got my mom some from sports research. She's going to show it to her MO as she's cautious of supps. Every MO says something. Mine didn't bat an eye on it and said fine, and she's a certified oncologist which many MOs aren't and participates in research. Nothing is 100% known for this and that it seems except staying healthy with diet and exercise. The rest is who knows.

  • Pi-Xi
    Pi-Xi Member Posts: 348
    edited September 2017

    ChelleG,

    Thanks for checking in! Glad your regimen is working for you. What dosage of tamoxifen do you take?

  • ChelleG
    ChelleG Member Posts: 540
    edited September 2017

    Hello ladies!

    I take 20 mg. Tamoxifen daily. I also have an infusion of Zometa every three months. The zometa is a bone strengthening IV drug. Also used for osteoporosis. Those se's really suck!!!! But I'm just going to keep plodding along. Stage IV has taught me to live every day to its fullest. I could live twenty years,or twenty days. I'm not going to waste my time worrying about something that isn't going to happen today,or next week.

    Hang in there!!!

    Love Chelle

  • ChelleG
    ChelleG Member Posts: 540
    edited September 2017
  • Pi-Xi
    Pi-Xi Member Posts: 348
    edited September 2017

    Thanks for your response, Chelle! I do find it interesting that the same dosage of tamoxifen is given for all stages. I guess if it is working, that's all that matters!

    Wishing you continued success on T

  • superius
    superius Member Posts: 340
    edited September 2017

    Thank you so much ChelleG! Sometimes I do wonder, is this working? especially I have minimum s/e (just warm flushes sometimes)... I wonder, "how do we know it's working?" ....

  • EastcoastTS
    EastcoastTS Member Posts: 864
    edited September 2017

    I wonder this, too, superius. Because I have very few SEs.

  • beach2beach
    beach2beach Member Posts: 996
    edited October 2017

    Im only into my 4week of taking Tamox. I was wondering the same thing. If you don't have side effect such as hot flashes, does it mean its not as effective in reducing the estrogen as it may be in someone who is experiencing hot flashes. How would one know if its working to reduce the levels. I'll have to ask if getting a hormonal blood test at my 3mth check would be beneficial.

  • molliefish
    molliefish Member Posts: 723
    edited October 2017

    so he didn't entertain reducing the tamoxifen until after the next biopsy results are back. The test is this Thursday so I'll proabably get the results about 2 weeks after.

  • dtad
    dtad Member Posts: 2,323
    edited October 2017

    beach2beach...just want to say that most MOs will not test hormones. IMO its because most know very little about female hormones. Try asking your PCP or gynecologist if MO won't do it. Also naturopathic docs test hormones too. Good luck and keep us posted.

  • Trvler
    Trvler Member Posts: 3,159
    edited October 2017

    Just as every woman experiences menopause differently, they will experience Tamoxifen differently. I just don't think there is any evidence that lack of side effects means it's not working.

  • beach2beach
    beach2beach Member Posts: 996
    edited October 2017

    thank dtad. I will do that.

  • gardengypsy
    gardengypsy Member Posts: 769
    edited October 2017

    lala

    I want to clarify that the DFCI pharmacist said "no" to Turmeric not because of the estrogenic effect, but because it occupies that same pathway as T and therefore could interfere with it.

    I mentioned that a few times here.



  • Artista928
    Artista928 Member Posts: 2,753
    edited October 2017

    We all react differently to meds. Some people get se's and some don't on the same med. Doesn't mean you don't have se that it's not working. I have 0 se on Tamox thank God. Occasional warm flush but I am menopausal so expected.

  • Artista928
    Artista928 Member Posts: 2,753
    edited October 2017

    I posted this in the Femara thread regarding the importance for putting your profile public ESP FOR NEWBIES!

    I have no idea how people think they will be found out by filling out their profiles with a user name of "fish" for example leaving out location. So that doesn't fly with me. They are being disingenuous and if giving advice, unethical. Newbies do not know age matter, stage matters, ER, Her 2, etc. I know I didn't. But someone here told me to look at profile when taking in any advice. It sounds so logical but when you are a newbie, you are reading typically the negative posts like se's and not paying attention to any of us who didn't have such a bad time whether on chemo, rads or meds. I would love for someone who refuses to put their profile up to explain to me how they may be found out if they post like what I said above. I'm waiting......

  • Robin1234
    Robin1234 Member Posts: 45
    edited October 2017

    Hi ladies, I was on tamoxifen for 5 or 6 weeks and tamoxifen made me blood for 3 weeks my MO took me off and i stop blooding. Had to go see my GYN and she dis a emotional biopsy came back negative and sonogram an internal sonogram had cyst on my left ovary thinking of the uterine wall from being on tamoxifen and the next month 2 weeks of blooding. I've been off for a few months and now my MO want me to go back on it I'm worried. Oh and when I was on tamoxifen I had anxiety. My MO had me on 20mg and I had to take 10mg in the morning and 10mg at night because taking 20mg gave me bad anxiety but taking 10mg in the morning and at night the anxity is not that bad but still had it. Anyone had this happen be on tamoxifen?

    Thank you

  • ndgrrl
    ndgrrl Member Posts: 741
    edited October 2017

    HI, I also got anxiety on Tamoxifen so my MO put me on Effexor which helps with the anxiety and hot flashes.

  • Catkin
    Catkin Member Posts: 42
    edited October 2017

    Hi Robin1234 and everyone: I have been taking Tamoxifen for almost 2 years now. It did not give me bleeding like for you, in fact it quickly stopped my periods (I am 51 years old). However it does give me low mood and anxiety. This varies from day to day (usually better in the evening), and I don't know how my own background menapausal hormones are influencing things. I recently asked for a break from it for 1 month to get a rest and to see if I felt better. After 2 to 3 weeks I was almost feeling normal . It's annoying to have to go back unto it. I was still alright for 6 days then whumf! Feeling bad againScared. I've asked a breast cancer nurse (I am in UK) to ask a oncologist if I can have a one month break once a year from now on. I'll hear back next week. This will make me more likely to complete the 5 years. FYI: Taking tamoxifen reduces my recurrence percentage from 10% to 7% I'm told.

  • Variable
    Variable Member Posts: 77
    edited October 2017

    Hi all,

    Has anyone started Tomoxifen for a few weeks and then had to stop taking it for surgery? I am scheduled for a hysterectomy in November and was wondering if I should start Tomoxifen before or wait until after surgery. Any suggestions, personal insights?

  • BBwithBC45
    BBwithBC45 Member Posts: 727
    edited October 2017

    Variable,

    I have stopped Tamoxifen before each of my surgeries, the main reason being that I have to take baby aspirin with the Tamoxifen and thiscould cause excessive bleeding.


  • semo233
    semo233 Member Posts: 2
    edited October 2017

    I didn't think that a -8 was possible. I was told the scores were 1, 2 and 3 and when mine came back as a 0, I was surprised. It was like winning the lottery!! My oncologist said that he had only seen two zeros in the past decade, so how is there a -8? Do you know?

  • EastcoastTS
    EastcoastTS Member Posts: 864
    edited October 2017

    I was told for Exchange surgery to stop two weeks before, three after. However, I did some research and stopped about 10 days before 10 days after. ;) Doctors are over the place on this topic, from what I have read here.

  • ndgrrl
    ndgrrl Member Posts: 741
    edited October 2017

    When I had my ovaries removed I was told to stop Tamoxifen for two weeks before and two weeks after. I was not taking baby aspirin with Tamoxifen at that time. My surgeon said Mr it was ok to stay on a Tamoxifen but my MO said I needed to be off it.

    Dr's tend to vary a lot on this issue.

  • Suzanne50
    Suzanne50 Member Posts: 280
    edited October 2017

    Hello all - has anyone heard of Tamoxifen causing strokes? My story is a long one. I came down with sudden double vision almost 6 weeks ago. I have had every test under the sun. It is not cancer thank goodness! But my latest MRI showed a small "lacular infract" which is a stroke. I have no risk factors - I am 52. Not diabetic. No high blood pressure. Not overweight. Exercise daily. Don't smoke. So am wondering if this could be related to tamoxifen? I see my neurologist next week so will have more info. Meanwhile I have been told it should clear up in 12 weeks. So I am about half way there. It has been very difficult as you can imagine. I stopped taking tamoxifen the day this happened to me and I have serious doubts whether I will ever go back on it. Also seeing oncologist this week and will see what he says.

  • dtad
    dtad Member Posts: 2,323
    edited October 2017

    Hi Suzanne...So sorry.Tamoxifen can increase your chance for blood clots and blood clots can cause strokes. I would take the advice of a neurologist as well as your oncologist. Good luck and please keep us posted.

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