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  • TinyDancer5
    TinyDancer5 Member Posts: 232
    edited September 2017

    Thanks DodgersGirl, let me know it works for you.

  • Fotheringay
    Fotheringay Member Posts: 73
    edited September 2017

    Hi all,

    I delayed starting Tamoxifen for several months, because I was already feeling rotten, and wanted to give it a fair chance (I'm the Queen of Side Effects).

    So this morning, I said what the hell, and took a half dose (10 mg) to be cautious, and didn't think about it any more. Had a coffee and a bottle of Boost.

    About an hour later, walking into an appointment, I got a strange but familiar sensation in my mouth and ran to the ladies' room. Everything in my stomach was gone in a matter of seconds. My body was saying, "hell, NO!" I've never had this happen before with a medication.

    I will give it another shot tomorrow morning.

    Wondering if I might be allergic to it? I'm not interested in taking an anti-emetic long-term, which just adds to the meds I'm already taking, and if my body is saying "POISON!", I don't want to ignore it...

    Carrie


  • jallyson
    jallyson Member Posts: 13
    edited September 2017

    Carrie,  When I took  my first pill, I took in the morning also and made me feel sick.  I now take after lunch with no issues.  Try taking it at a different time of day with possibly more food in your belly.  

  • gardengypsy
    gardengypsy Member Posts: 769
    edited September 2017

    Dana Farber pharmacist said "no" Turmeric w/ curcumin because est+.


    Thank you Trvler. Nice analogies.

  • lala1
    lala1 Member Posts: 1,147
    edited September 2017

    My MO is a research oncologist and at my request extensively reviewed the literature on turmeric and concluded it was ok for me to take. He said even the supplement amounts aren't enough to "push" BC but they are enough to help with the joint pain. He ended up researching many other things I've found to work and one of the things he asked me to cut back on was flaxseed, specifically no flaxseed oil but ground flaxseed ok in small amounts. He also told me 5 years ago NO soy but now says he's ok with natural soy like milk, edamame, tofu, etc just not large amounts. He specifically wants me to stay away from soy as additives. He spent many weeks researching this for me (he's pretty awesome!) and says he's very confident with these suggestions.

  • DodgersGirl
    DodgersGirl Member Posts: 2,382
    edited September 2017

    lala1- do you have any links to studies that support the use of Turmeric when ER+ BC? My MO is a research oncologist, too, and even though I asked twice (and she looked twice) she still said no turmeric. I so want to be able to take it again.

    Thanks

  • Suzanne50
    Suzanne50 Member Posts: 280
    edited September 2017

    Hi all - I recently started experiencing double vision. It came on quite suddenly. I went to ER (as my oncologist recommended) and had a battery of tests. Right now they are pointing the finger at tamoxifen. I stopped taking it and am hoping to see improvement. It's been two days and so far, my eyesight is the same.

    Does anyone have any experience with this happening to them? And how long it takes for vision to return to normal?

    No more tamoxifen for me. I am done.

  • lala1
    lala1 Member Posts: 1,147
    edited September 2017

    Dodgersgirl--I've got my annual appointment with my MO in a couple of weeks. I'll ask him to print out the info on turmeric.

  • DodgersGirl
    DodgersGirl Member Posts: 2,382
    edited September 2017

    Layla1- thank you!

  • EastcoastTS
    EastcoastTS Member Posts: 864
    edited September 2017

    I'm interested in this, too. Because I take turmeric and feel it's so great for anti-inflammatory.

  • beach2beach
    beach2beach Member Posts: 996
    edited September 2017

    Yikes! Just got my bottle of Tamoxifen in the mail today and supposed to start. Have been taking Turmeric and my Onco said it was ok to continue to take. Guess I will call the Nurse Navigator on Monday and throw that question out there about it stimulating Er.

  • gardengypsy
    gardengypsy Member Posts: 769
    edited September 2017

    My handout from Memorial Sloan Kettering and the pharmacist at Dana Farber said this:

    "Tamoxifen is extensively metabolized in the liver by the cytochrome p450 (CYP) system, specifically CYP 3A, 2C9, and 2D6. It also inhibits P-glycoprotein. Any supplement or herbs that inhibit or induce these pathways have the potential to alter Tamoxifen drug levels in your body which may effect the efficacy/adverse effects of therapy.

    "Gaia Turmeric Extra Strength contains turmeric, also known as curcumin, which is known to inhibit CYP 3A4 enzymes. Therefore, we do not recommend using this supplement while taking Tamoxifen."

    I struggle with this information. I'd love to continue taking this herb, along with a few others, butaccording to two of the USA's top cancer centers, there's a reason to be wary.

  • lala1
    lala1 Member Posts: 1,147
    edited September 2017

    gardengypsy---Do they say why they specifically mention Gaia turmeric extra strength?

  • gardengypsy
    gardengypsy Member Posts: 769
    edited September 2017

    lala: They were evaluating the list of medications and supplements I gave them.

  • willowreed84
    willowreed84 Member Posts: 47
    edited September 2017

    This info about tumeric and er+ stinks! I have been getting a lot of help with joint pain with tumeric. I have been using just the tumeric spice with black pepper and cinnamon in a cup of warm milk,. I think some call it golden milk tea. I only use a 1/4 teaspoon tumeric. I wonder if that's ok to have with the tamox?


  • Lovinggrouches
    Lovinggrouches Member Posts: 530
    edited September 2017

    I also take Gaia turmeric because it helps so much with my hip pain. I also wish i knew for sure if safe or not. I can't live life with having trouble with severe pain every time I get out of a chair.

  • booklover74
    booklover74 Member Posts: 4
    edited September 2017

    Been on Tamoxifen since June 1. So far side effects have been mild. The worst of it vaginal, some yeast infections and discharge. The last week or so I have noticed the bottom of my feet feel bruised, mostly in the morning. Also, I missed my period for the first time in August.

    Anyone else experiencing these particular side effects?


  • Catkin
    Catkin Member Posts: 42
    edited September 2017

    Booklover74: I've been on Tamoxifen since Nov 2015 (with a one month break recently). After I started I quickly got more vaginal discharge (better now) and my periods stopped within 2 months, though my periods were beginning to be irregular anyway (I am 51). I did not have yeast infections or bruised feeling feet. I do have occasional cramps in the calves in bed, a achy lower back and low moods/ anxiety.

  • superius
    superius Member Posts: 340
    edited September 2017

    WillowReed, I also use the spice in my coffee & milk - I made a batch of the paste (turmeric, black pepper with coconut oil), Keep a small jar in the fridge, but most in freezer. I think people are talking about this particular brand, Gaia EXTRA STRENGTH. So I hope the spice is ok...

  • DodgersGirl
    DodgersGirl Member Posts: 2,382
    edited September 2017

    Superius- my MO said NO Turmeric supplements but that it was ok to eat Turmeric in food. Turmeric acts like an estrogen positive supplement that would feed the ER+ type of breast cancer

  • gardengypsy
    gardengypsy Member Posts: 769
    edited September 2017

    Dodgers~ I believe Turmeric interferes with Tamoxifen. Not sure it acts like estrogen.

  • ML1209
    ML1209 Member Posts: 241
    edited September 2017

    Hi ladies .... have been on Tamoxifan for about 3 1/2 weeks now. My main SE seems to be I can not sleep. Any advice would be greatly appreicated.

  • DodgersGirl
    DodgersGirl Member Posts: 2,382
    edited September 2017

    gardengypsy- my MO said Turmeric acts like estrogen feeding the ER+ BC so was told to stop taking it as a supplement. I fought that "call" as the Relief Factor supplement I was taking was helping tremendously with my arthritis inflammation.

    MO's office checked their sources again but came back with no Turmeric. Sigh.

    Seen similar stories from other cancer hospital web sites. So, personally, I have stopped Turmeric but sure wish I could return to Relief Factor.

    We all have to make these kinds of decisions about a lot of foods and supplements for ourselves as little about BC is settled science.

  • lala1
    lala1 Member Posts: 1,147
    edited September 2017

    I'm doing a little research myself on turmeric and so far have found these articles:


    Curcumin & Tamoxifen | The Block Center for Integrative Cancer Treatment

    Vitamins & Supplements | Ask the Expert | Living Beyond Breast Cancer

    Turmeric and black pepper fight cancer


    I have my MO appointment in a week so I'll ask him for his research as well.

  • BlueKoala
    BlueKoala Member Posts: 190
    edited September 2017

    Sigh. I feel like I am back here almost every week asking about side effects.

    Lightheadedness?

    It is only near the end of the day, and comes and goes, so it could be related to my awful tight shoulder muscles, or maybe just being over tired. I have always had problems with low blood pressure, so maybe its related.

  • Lisey
    Lisey Member Posts: 1,053
    edited September 2017

    I'm jumping in here because I've been on Tamoxifen for over a year - with no symptoms really. Suddenly in the last month my scalp has been really itchy and my hair is falling out / getting thinner. I have no idea if this is Tamoxifen's fault, but I'm going on a 2 week break to see if the itching stops. Anyone else experience itching and hair loss? My stylist says she sees no issues topically with my scalp, no rash or flakes etc.

  • runor
    runor Member Posts: 1,798
    edited September 2017

    My head is not itchy, but my hair is falling out. The bathroom floor looks like a murder scene, someone killed my hair. It's all over the place!

    I have been on Tamox only 2 months, self prescribing 10mg a day, not 20. I have had : leg cramps at night, night sweats that are pretty fierce, some warm flushes in the day, nothing I'd call a full-on inferno hot flash. Had whacked out dreams for a few weeks, that seems to have settled down. Constipation! And no period since starting the Tamox. All this on HALF the suggested dose.

    I do not feel overly tired though, or too moody (mind you, that's my own opinion, the people who live with me might say otherwise). I do not have an upset stomach. I do find myself out of energy but not sure if that is from a nuked heart and lung, thanks to radiation, the fact that I'm out of shape or plain old aging? Not sure where to place the blame.

  • MARIONSGIRL
    MARIONSGIRL Member Posts: 59
    edited September 2017

    I have been on Tamoxifen since June and definitely notice that my hair on my head is not growing like it did when I was taking Aromasin. My underarm hair on the cancer side is barely there. I lost all my hair during chemo and when it grew back was not as thick and was curly. Now it is straight and thin.

  • ndgrrl
    ndgrrl Member Posts: 741
    edited September 2017

    Lisey, Did you happen to get a different manufacturer of the Tamoxifen you take? Each manufacturer has their own fillers and maybe you could be allergic to the new one? It is just a thought. I do better on Teva manufacturer of Tamoxifen. I am loosing some hair to breakage and my anxiety and BP have risen that past two months on it. I was previously on it a few years back before I became Post Menaupasal so these side effects are new to me this time. I hope I adjust. Started on Effexor 2 weeks ago and hope that helps.

    Good luck

  • zjrosenthal
    zjrosenthal Member Posts: 2,026
    edited September 2017

    I also lost hair after being on Tamoxifen for over a year. It was a couple of months after a hip replacement so I attributed it to the stress from surgery. I also had itching and hair fell out. Very thin. Using Rogaine helps me at the suggestion of my dermatologist at Sloan-Kettering. Love, Jean

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