What questions did you ask your MO about Tamoxifen?

Options
sm627
sm627 Member Posts: 298

Hi Ladies,

My name is Sara and I am 33 years old. I will be starting Tamoxifen in a few weeks and would like to know what questions did you ask your MO about taking Tamoxifen before you took it?

Thank you for any help you can provide. My appointment with my MO is Sep 21, 2017

My story in a nutshell is I had a mastectomy of my right breast this past June to remove a 17cm, 3lb, Borderline Phyllodes tumor, and my path report also showed I have ADH. I will have reconstruction surgery sometime next year. Now I am trying to learn how to embrace my "New Normal" it is not easy, but what has helped me the most is learning from all of you on these forums. Thank you all for your advice and extra TLC I could not have gotten through these difficult times in life without your support.

Hugs and Love,

Sara

Comments

  • HoundMom
    HoundMom Member Posts: 14
    edited September 2017

    I asked my MO the following things:

    • 1.What SE can I expect – hot flashes, muscle aches, memory issues, etc.
    • 2.How many of her patients have SE and how many do relatively well?
    • 3.What is the likelihood of weight gain?
    • 4.Do different brands affect the SE?
    • 5.How long before the SE start?

    Hopefully this list will get you started thinking about questions. I am 3 months in and doing okay. The SE have been bearable for me so far.

  • sm627
    sm627 Member Posts: 298
    edited September 2017

    Thank you HoundMom, for sharing your list of questions this helps me so much. Glad that you are doing well on it. I hope it continues for you. What kind of SE have you experienced so far, and how have you managed them?

    Thank you! Hope you have a good day.

    Hugs,

    Sara

  • LisaAlissa
    LisaAlissa Member Posts: 1,092
    edited September 2017

    Hi Sara,

    This topic wasn't on my list, but might (at 33) be on yours:

    What about fertility/pregnancy on Tamoxifen?

    Do you want (more) children? Will Tamoxifen make it harder to get pregnant? Do you need to take steps to preserve fertility before beginning Tamoxifen? Effect of Tamoxifen on a pregnancy? etc. Your MO may give you a referral to a fertility specialist depending on what you want...

    Hope everything goes well for you!

    LisaAlissa


  • HoundMom
    HoundMom Member Posts: 14
    edited September 2017

    HI Sara,

    For me the SE have been manageable. Here's what I have noticed:

    • Hot flushes – I don't get crazy hot but get clammy. I don't notice it much in the day – just at night.
    • Joint pain – I have noticed my left Achilles feels like tendonitis and my right shoulder aches. I can still exercise and do my daily activities so I am not letting it get me down.

    I hope you have good luck as well.

  • inccmd
    inccmd Member Posts: 69
    edited September 2017

    Thank you for the list of questions HoundMom. I meet with MO Sep 15 and will begin tamoxifen then. I've been reading throughout how different generics can give different reactions. You given me a great starting point.

  • sm627
    sm627 Member Posts: 298
    edited September 2017

    Hi HoundMom,

    Thank you for sharing with me about your SE I am glad that they are not to bad and that you are able to live life without the SE taking over it completely. You give me hope that it won't be so bad.

    Thank you!

    Hi LisaAlissa

    Thank you for the question about fertility/pregnancy that is something to think about. I currently am single and I am a preschool teacher, so children are a big part of my life. My mind set about children has been that I would like to have children, but if they are meant to be then it will happen and if not then that is what life has in store for me. However I will ask my MO about fertility because who knows what might change in the next 5 years. My body as already let me know how quickly it can change its mind on how it wants to act.

    Thank you for the great question.


    Hi Inccmd,

    Wishing you all the best on your Tamoxifen journey. Hope your appointment with your MO goes well.


    Thank you all for your help and great questions.

    Hugs and Love to all,

    Sara

  • badger
    badger Member Posts: 34,614
    edited September 2017

    hi Sara, although I was 50 at dx, I had had a period in the prior year so was considered in peri-menopause and onc prescribed tamox. Took it for five years without many side effects. Hot flashes and night sweats were probably the most annoying. For the HF, I took to dressing in layers and carrying around a folding hand fan. (Still keep one on-hand to deploy PRN.) For the NS, I kept a fan blowing on me at night and kept a stack of clean t-shirts next to my side of the bed. When I woke up drenched, I could whip off the wet one and pull on a dry one. DH slept under a quilt all summer because I kept the bedroom COLD.

    Here are some questions I'd add to the good thoughts above.

    At age 33, ask if you're a candidate for five or ten years of tamox. I would have gladly done another five years of tamox but onc said no. By then I was age 55 and in full menopause so was prescribed anastrozole. Been on that for two years and it has its charms LOL but they're irrelevant here.

    Also ask how your ovaries might be affected, e.g. cysts, and how you will be monitored.

    Ask if you would benefit from a daily low-dose aspirin.

    Ask about a DEXA (bone) scan. Tamox isn't known to be hard on the bones but a baseline might be good.

    Best wishes and gentle ((hugs)).

  • FridayYet
    FridayYet Member Posts: 45
    edited September 2017

    Hi Sara. Great idea for a thread.

    I'll see a MO soon and have been told by my surgeon that I'll probably need Tamoxifen. Although I just turned 54, I still cycle every month with no signs of slowing down. This information will be helpful for when I meet with him/her after I get back from brachytherapy.

    Friday

  • sm627
    sm627 Member Posts: 298
    edited September 2017

    Hi Badger,

    Thank you so much for not only the wonderful questions but also the helpful tips for dealing with Hot Flashes. I will start collecting shirts now to put on my night stand and find a table fan for my room. I sleep better in a cold room anyway.

    What will taking aspirin.help with? Another question I have is when you were done taking Tamoxifen did you have any withdrawal symptoms?

    On a side note: I know I will be seeing my BS and MO quite often for the rest of my life, but is it also a good idea to see my PCP more then just ones a year or whenever I get sick. Now that Breast Cancer has become an unwanted guest in my life it is making me re-think everything about life in general and my medical health as well.

    Thanks again for your questions and helpful advice on dealing with SE.

    Thank you for the gentle Hugs!

    Hugs,

    Sara


  • sm627
    sm627 Member Posts: 298
    edited September 2017

    Hi Friday,

    Glad this thread is helping you out as well. Wishing you all the best with your Tamoxifen experiences and with your cycle hopefully slowing down. I want to let you know that Friday is one of my favorite words because it means that the weekend is almost here!

    Hugs,

    Sara

  • badger
    badger Member Posts: 34,614
    edited September 2017

    Sara, I had no withdrawal symptoms when I stopped tamox. The low-dose aspirin is to thin the blood just a bit as tamox is associated with an increased risk of stroke, which is in my family history. I don't have to any more but still take one every day as it's become a habit.

    I see my primary care doc once a year and my onc every six months. Hoping to graduate to yearly one day. :-)

  • beach2beach
    beach2beach Member Posts: 996
    edited September 2017

    Just met with my Oncologist yesterday. Wish I had thought about the generics vs. brand question. I'll have to call back and ask.

    She told me the most common SE's would be hot flashes and mood swings and told me to watch what I eat as it can slow metabolism. The nasty, though she said it would be unlikely to happen is blood clots, endometrial cancer and cataracts. So she advised yearly visit for eyes, and keep up with the gyn. I will go and get a baseline ultrasound for thickness. She did not recommend baby aspirin, since no other risk factors as high bp, diabetes etc., but I have been taking for a while and will continue.

    Grand scheme of things, I'm getting off easy with no chemo or rads. So I'll deal with the SE's, if any and keep fingers crossed the nasty ones don't happen.

    Good questions!


  • sm627
    sm627 Member Posts: 298
    edited September 2017

    Hi Badger,

    Thank you for the info about the low-dose aspirin and strokes. Glad you didn't have any withdrawal issues after you stopped taking Tamoxifen. It makes me feel better when i hear from people like you that have gotten through the 5 years without to many major SE. You give me so much hope that I can do it too. I will be thinking of you and hope that one day soon you will be able to see your MO once a year sooner rather then later.

    Wishing you all the best.

    Hugs,

    Sara

  • sm627
    sm627 Member Posts: 298
    edited September 2017

    Hi Beach2Beach,

    Thank you for sharing what your MO suggested you do to help reduces other medical issues from happening due to taking Tamoxifen. Hope you are able to get a hold of your MO soon to find out about the generic vs brands.

    Wishing you all the best.

    Sara

  • inccmd
    inccmd Member Posts: 69
    edited September 2017

    Sara,

    The fertility question is a good one, and I'll be interested to hear what you learn. My MO told me that Tamoxifen was initially being pursued as a fertility drug, but it resulted in birth defects. At the same time, they noticed what it did to cancer cells and then the research switched to breast cancer.

  • sm627
    sm627 Member Posts: 298
    edited September 2017

    Hi Inccmd,

    I will be sure to post what my MO tells me. Interesting about your MO saying that Tamoxifen was used as a fertility drug. Maybe we should start another thread called what we have learned from our Medical Oncologists.

    Hope you have great day.

    Hugs,

    Sara

  • inccmd
    inccmd Member Posts: 69
    edited September 2017

    That would be a very interesting page.

    You too Sara!

  • sm627
    sm627 Member Posts: 298
    edited October 2017

    Hi Ladies!

    I first want to thank you all that responded to my thread with wonderful questions to ask my MO about Tamoxifen.

    Here is my update I saw my MO on Monday Sept 25 and started Tamoxifen that day. The answers that I go back from my MO were interesting and i learned a lot, so I thought I would share my new found knowledge.

    Questions and Answers

    Q 1.What SE can I expect A: for my age being in my 30's maybe 1 or 2 hot flashes, but most likely will have pelvic cysts in ovaries and weight gain.

    Q 2.How many of her patients have SE and how many do relatively well? A: 90% of her patients do well and 10% stop due to weight gain and pelvic cysts.

    Q 3.What is the likelihood of weight gain? A: weight gain is likely 5-10lb but she said in order to manage it walk 3 hours a week and eat lots of vegetables and fruit to help reduce from gaining too much weight.

    Q 4.Do different brands affect the SE? A: She said that there was no real differences between generic and brand names as far as Side Effects, but she said if I wanted to change I could. Q 5.How long before the SE start? A: it would take 1 to 2 months to see which side effects I would have. Q6. how your ovaries might be affected, e.g. cysts, and how you will be monitored? A:

    Tamoxifen will increase estrogen in my ovaries and might cause cysts that can be painful during monthly periods. The cysts will mostly come out when I have my periods, but I will need to have yearly pelvic exams and possible ultrasounds.

    Q 7. Fertility/Pregnancy? A: Let your MO know 3 months before trying to get pregnant, so you can stop taking if for a full 3 months before getting pregnant. Start taking Tamoxifen again after you are done breastfeeding. She said if you are on Tamoxifen for 2 years and take a break to have children the first 2 years still count and then you can finish the other 3 years without having to add any extra years.

    What have you learned from your MO about Tamoxifen?

    Thank you again for all of your help I appreciate all of your advice.

    Hugs,

    Sara

  • inccmd
    inccmd Member Posts: 69
    edited October 2017

    Those are really good answers. My MO didn't give as precise as you received. Thank you for sharing. I particularly found the time for SE and the comments about cysts particularlly enlightening.

  • sm627
    sm627 Member Posts: 298
    edited October 2017

    Hi Inccmd,

    Glad you found the answers helpful. What did you learn from your MO about Tamoxifen? Have you started taking your Tamoxifen yet? if so how are things going for you?

    I have been taking it for 2 weeks now and I am already starting to feel SE pelvic pressure, vaginal discharge and I got very tired the first week. My head also feels like it is in a haze like state. I hope the tiredness and hazy feeling goes away soon. But other then that I am still able to function I just might be a little spacey at times which makes life interesting I guess.

    Hope you have a good day.

    Hugs,

    Sara

  • inccmd
    inccmd Member Posts: 69
    edited October 2017

    Hello Sara,

    I've been on about three weeks. Still feel tired, so I am not sure if from radiation or the medication or both. The tiredness hits hard around dinner time. I think what I notice most is achy muscles or just not feeling right. Maybe heavy is a better word. The hazy head hits in the evening.

    She didn't offer a whole lot with my questions. She had this positive attitude that most women don't feel too much and that you hear most often from people who don't tolerate it well. The ones who are okay with it don't say a whole lot. She wanted me to go with the attitude that it would be fine - and to call if it wasn't.

    She recommended taking it with food and trying it in the morning first. It that worked out well, keep it there. She said if I missed a dose more than a couple of hours, then skip it for the day.

    As for weight gain, she said for a lot of us, we just have to take care like we would as we get older. I'm for 48 and already adjust my diet accordingly. She said that's what you do.

    I'm glad that you can go off it in order to have children and then pick up again.

    Hugs back!

  • sm627
    sm627 Member Posts: 298
    edited October 2017

    Hi Inccmd,

    Glad you have made it to your third week. sorry you are also feeling tired and not feeling all the right. I hope it gets better with time so you will have some more energy. You are still young and it would be great if all these drugs would just hurry up and start to wear off a bit so you can get back to living life. What do you like to do for fun do you have any hobbies?

    Nice to know that you can miss one dose and have it not be the end of the world. My MO had a positive attitude too she said she wanted me to do well on Tamoxifen and if I wasn't feeling good about it she said i could stop. I hope that with all the positive energy from both of our MO we can make it to the end. Are you doing 5 or 10 years? How is taking Tamox in the morning is it working for you? I have been taking mine in the evening but I am thinking of changing it around to see if it makes a difference with SE.

    Wishing you all the best and I hope you have a good week.

    Hugs,

    Sara


  • inccmd
    inccmd Member Posts: 69
    edited October 2017

    Hello Sara,

    The tiredness could be left over from radiation. Who knows? During the school year, most of my hobbies take a back seat. I teach college classes - I'm not full time yet, but between the classes I teach, I put in full time hours. I just hop from school to school.

    I am going to stick to taking it in the morning, since I think it's going okay. My MO did warn me to take it with food although the label doesn't say so. She says it goes much better. I'm following that advice. It is good to have positive doctors who cheer you on. I'm glad to have her.

    They want me to take it at least 5 years. If I tolerate it well, maybe 10. What did they say for you?

    So what do you do for fun? And what's keeping you busy these days?

    Hugs back.

    Isabel

  • sm627
    sm627 Member Posts: 298
    edited October 2017

    Hi Isabel,

    That is great that you are a college instructor. What do you teach? I work at community college that at there educational lab preschools. I was taking classes at a local State University majoring in Human Development before all this BC came up. Now I feel I need to take a year off just to make sure no other tumors pop up. I have loved many of my college teachers they have not only made the subject they were teaching interesting but I also learned a lot from them about life in general. Thank you for all the minds you shape every semester. How many different schools do you work at and how long have you been teaching for?

    How are you feeling about possibly staying on these hormonal therapy drugs for an extended period of time? I hope you can get away with just doing 5 years of Tamoxifen. My MO said I would only need to do 5 years.

    What I do for fun is anything creative I love to paint, draw and do other art related projects. What has been keeping me busy is my little preschool students they keep me on my toes everyday and now I have parent-teacher conference to work on. Both mind and body are pretty busy these days. Oh and my furry cat keeps me busy at home.

    So when you aren't teaching or grading papers what brings you joy to your life?

    Just to let you know one of my favorite preschool students last semester was named Isabel! She would always give me a hug in the morning. Her hugs would help me start the school day on a good note. She is now in Kindergarten and I miss her I hope she comes back to visit.

    I hope you have a good weekend Isabel and don't have to much grading to do.

    Hugs,

    Sara

  • inccmd
    inccmd Member Posts: 69
    edited November 2017

    Hello Sara,

    I am so sorry it's taken me so long to get back to you. I took on my normal load and then another class that comes up randomly started, so I'm juggling 6 classes, which is too much. I finally got back on today to catch up.

    I teach English - freshman comp, freshman lit and technical writing. Usually I try for 5 classes, but sometimes I get to teach the state police, and they never run classes during a normal semester, so sometimes I get stuck with too many classes.

    I bet the preschoolers are adorable. I know they are a lot of work, but I bet their enthusiasm and silliness are wonderful too.

    I am not quite sure what brings joy at the moment - when I have time to think and breathe, I like to read and garden and be outdoors doing whatever comes my way.

    For Tamoxifen, they are saying 5 to 10 years. A couple of weeks ago, I say some report about they're now recommending 10 for people. I have to go back and read it, but I mentally filed away the information.

    Little Isabel sounds adorable. I bet it is hard to say goodbye to each class.

    I have to make a point of checking back regularly. After tonight, I go back to 5 classes. It will still be busy, but I hope not nearly as stressful.

    Take care. Hugs to you & Happy Thanksgiving.

    Isabel

Categories