Has anyone been misdiagnosed?

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Chloe3278
Chloe3278 Member Posts: 31
edited August 2017 in Waiting for Test Results

Hey guys. Im sorry for making new threads all the time, im just confused and overwhelmed with everything and need advice! If you look through my previous posts, you would know i just did my mastectomy, lymph node biopsy + tissue expanders. I had an appointment yesterday with 5 surgeons, and a team of pathologists.

No signs of ANY cancer, abnormal cells, DCIS was found. Nothing. My main surgeon has requested the first pathologist that did the biopsy to come meet up with the team again, and they are going to 'have another look.'

My surgeon told me that this has NEVER happened and that pathology reports are very accurate. She did however say she had doubts when she first got the pathology report due to my young age, but 3 other pathologists also confirmed the presence of DCIS so she was certain i had it. She told me there are two possibilities: The pathologist made a mistake (whether its to do with experience, or mixing things up) OR it just happened out of luck that the 7mm tumour came out perfectly in one piece and my plastic surgeon just happened to take that piece of tissue out. If this is the case i am wondering if i am the luckiest person alive if it all came out in one piece.

Has anyone experienced this, or know any knowledge of this? Is it even possible to be misdiagnosed?

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  • Candyapple17
    Candyapple17 Member Posts: 36
    edited July 2017

    I am so sorry to hear that you are having to go through this. The very first question I asked my oncologist is "Could there be a possibility this is a misdiagnosis?" - She said no which broke my heart. I hope you get a quick resolution because they sure put you through a lot if there was nothing

  • farmerlucy
    farmerlucy Member Posts: 3,985
    edited July 2017

    omg Chloe. Investigate that to the end of the earth!

  • wrenn
    wrenn Member Posts: 2,707
    edited July 2017

    It makes sense at 19 years old that you don't have cancer but what a nightmare for you to have endured. It will be hard to be relieved about not having cancer while you get over this shock. I hope they get to the bottom of it. Take care

  • Chloe3278
    Chloe3278 Member Posts: 31
    edited July 2017

    Thanks guys. My surgeon told me they have ordered another meeting which I don't know what that means. is there some sort of legal liability?

  • farmerlucy
    farmerlucy Member Posts: 3,985
    edited July 2017

    I think the fact that they have made these disclosures so far is positive. At 19, I would encourage you to enlist the aid of a trusted, experienced, advocate be it a relative, friend or professional. Something is not right here.

  • Beatmon
    Beatmon Member Posts: 1,562
    edited July 2017

    Do you have copies of all of your records? If not, you should immediately get copies of all of your complete medical records....don't want any to disappear

  • BarredOwl
    BarredOwl Member Posts: 2,433
    edited July 2017

    Hi Chloe3278:

    I think you may be worried that the original pathology was actually incorrect and there was no DCIS there in the first place? It is possible to misdiagnose DCIS, because in some cases, it seems there can be some difficulty in distinguishing atypia from low grade DCIS. See for example, this paper:

    Elmore (2015), "Diagnostic Concordance Among Pathologists Interpreting Breast Biopsy Specimens"

    http://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2203798

    You mentioned that in addition to the first pathology review, "3 other pathologists also confirmed the presence of DCIS" in the tissue samples obtained during the augmentation procedure. That consensus might tend to suggest that DCIS was present in the original tissues provided for pathology review. Nevertheless, please do not hesitate to seek a further opinion from a pathologist at an independent institution. For this purpose, many look for an NCI-designated cancer center if feasible (e.g., in-network): https://www.cancer.gov/research/nci-role/cancer-centers/find. Actual pathology slides are sent overnight and examined.

    On the other hand, sometimes (although not very often), a small surgical biopsy (or even minimally-invasive core-needle biopsy) manages to remove all of the cancer that was present, and no further disease is found upon surgery. So another possibility might be that your original diagnosis was correct (DCIS was present), but that the first procedure removed all areas of disease. In another thread you mentioned that, "Plastic surgeon found lumps and decided to get tissues sent for a biopsy (This is not his job, yet he saved my life). I got the results back yesterday and got told i have noninvasive low grade DCIS." It sounds like this was not a minimally-invasive biopsy and this could potentially be a case in which the first procedure fortuitously got it all.

    If DCIS was present, but they got it all in the first procedure (without realizing it), a recommendation for more surgery might still have been supported by the combined findings of all imaging and pathology. For example, sometimes if biopsy-proven disease is found in more than one place and/or if other imaging findings are suggestive of additional disease, a person could appropriately receive a recommendation for more surgery. Another possible reason for more surgery would have been positive or small surgical margins in the first procedure (i.e., the presence of DCIS at or very near the edge of the tissue samples examined, suggesting the presence of additional disease remaining in the breast). For a short explanation and illustration of margins, see this explanation of "margins" on the Main Site. It is possible that the recommendation you received may have been a sound recommendation based on the type of information available at the time, even if it turned out they were wrong. To explore this, if you seek a second opinion at an independent institution, you may also wish to provide copies of all imaging (mammography, ultrasound, MRI) and related written reports and request an independent review by a Radiologist and a Breast Surgeon.

    I understand that genetic testing was planned, and if still appropriate, certain findings may ultimately support the treatment you received. Clinical guidelines recommend genetic counseling before any testing.

    Hope you can get some clarity.

    BarredOwl

  • Chloe3278
    Chloe3278 Member Posts: 31
    edited July 2017

    @BarredOwl that was extremely informative. I have shown this to my parents and we will follow up on this.

  • BarredOwl
    BarredOwl Member Posts: 2,433
    edited July 2017

    Hi Chloe3278:

    I forgot to suggest also obtaining an independent second opinion review of the slides from the mastectomy and sentinel node biopsy to see if the absence of disease can be independently confirmed. Lastly, re sample handing concerns, you may also wish to inquire with a second opinion team whether there are suitable methods of diagnostic specimen confirmation available (e.g., DNA-based methods), and if so, whether such testing may be something they would recommend in your situation.

    BarredOwl


  • Tiger98
    Tiger98 Member Posts: 186
    edited August 2017

    Chloe, Do you have any updates?

  • Chloe3278
    Chloe3278 Member Posts: 31
    edited August 2017

    Hey guys, had another appointment last thursday. The original pathologist does not have the tissue with the dcis and claims he only took stains of it or something along those lines. The breast cancer pathologists confirmed that the 'stain' did have DCIS but not to the exact measurements originally diagnosed. They are also investigating the other 9 tissues taken that were all 'clear.'

    Turns out i did have DCIS but it was in one location and was only 4mm. Therefore, it was confirmed that my plastic surgeon did remove the entire lump without knowing. I did not even need the mastectomy. I am meeting up again with the team this thursday to discuss everything. I have been told that this has never happened and to get a hold of a lawyer but honestly i just want all of this to be over. Im trying to look at the bright side; at least now i dont have to worry about breast cancer ever again now that i have basically no breasts lol.

  • Tiger98
    Tiger98 Member Posts: 186
    edited August 2017

    Wow, Chloe! I can't even imagine what all you have been through and how you must feel, and at your young age! Hang in there and keep us posted!

  • Chloe3278
    Chloe3278 Member Posts: 31
    edited August 2017

    Had another appointment today with my surgeon!! Everything has been confirmed and I was not misdiagnosed. I did have DCIS. It was just incorrect measurements. She told me I would have had to have a mastectomy anyways.

    In other news, I got my genetic test results & I am negative for both BRCA 1 & 2!!!

    I wonder if me taking birth control for the past 2 years had anything to do with developing dcis since I don't have the genes?

  • MTwoman
    MTwoman Member Posts: 2,704
    edited August 2017

    Chloe, "the genes" that have been identified to date (that increase bc risk) only account for a small percentage of women who end up getting diagnosed with bc. Being a woman with breasts seems to be the biggest "risk" factor for many of us.

    Very glad that you have gotten your mystery solved and are feeling like you didn't have mx based on a misdiagnosis!

  • BarredOwl
    BarredOwl Member Posts: 2,433
    edited August 2017

    That is good news re the testing for BRCA1 and BRCA2. Unfortunately, BRCA1 and BRCA2 are not the only genes known to confer a genetic predisposition to breast cancer (and sometimes to other cancers). Those who test negative for BRCA1 and BRCA2 may wish to discuss with a Genetic Counselor the possibility of additional panel testing for pathogenic mutations in other genes (e.g., ATM, CHEK2, PALB2, PTEN, TP53, and/or others), the recommended scope of any further testing (i.e., which other genes), as well the pros, cons and limitations of any recommended testing. Patients may either elect to pursue or decline further testing.

    See for example, Desmond (2015), "Clinical Actionability of Multigene Panel Testing for Hereditary Breast and Ovarian Cancer Risk Assessment"

    http://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamaoncology/fullarticle/2425836

    Lastly, in some families, despite a strong family history of breast cancer, no pathogenic mutation in any of the known genes is identified, suggesting that there are other genes that either alone or in combination may confer risk of breast cancer.

    BarredOwl

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