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  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited August 2017

    Keep in mind that, as a triple positive, by the time you get to the end of Herceptin you have also had surgery - often more than one, some of us have had radiation, and are taking anti-hormonal therapy, so figuring out what caused what side effect can be a bit of a mystery.

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited August 2017

    hap - your response to Herceptin is not the norm, I was actually directing that to other posters here who are deeper into the Herceptin regimen, post-chemo, and also on anti-hormonals simultaneously.

  • MLMSC
    MLMSC Member Posts: 46
    edited August 2017

    I have been on Herceptin for almost a year. I had it weekly for 12 weeks with my Taxol, then had it every three weeks since then. Of course I was on it during my radiation. Honestly, I don't think I had many, if any, side effects from the Herceptin. In fact, I do volunteer work at my cancer center on Wednesdays, and every three weeks that falls the day after my Herceptin treatment. I have not had any problems. I am sad that many of you have had problems while on Herceptin.

    I think my anastrozole has been giving me unpleasant side effects rather than the Herceptin. I have a treatment tomorrow, then one in a few weeks after which I will get to ring the bell!

    M

  • PoseyGirl
    PoseyGirl Member Posts: 359
    edited August 2017

    Thanks, SpecialK and all... yes, have been through the gamut - that's for sure. I do know that some of my earlier symptoms were Herceptin as they were not widely shared by others, but textbook side effects (rash and chills) and i do suspect that the current ones might be related. But you're quite right that there is a cumulative effect and also late effects Of the prior and present treatments

  • PoseyGirl
    PoseyGirl Member Posts: 359
    edited August 2017

    Yes, I did read about flu like symptoms but didn't realize that it was experienced by that many!!

    I've definitely been symptomatic on it, but nothing that was too intense. I will read this - thanks...

    Now, Zometa was a real b**** for me - I felt Awful on the second day. I've only had one infusion of that

  • Tresjoli2
    Tresjoli2 Member Posts: 868
    edited August 2017

    Kae let me know about the zoladex? I feel sooo much better after stopping lupron. I can move my feet again, losing weight etc... but I'm terrified not to have the extra protection. I also see my MO in Sept and I'm really trying to figure out this nerlynx business...

  • BBwithBC45
    BBwithBC45 Member Posts: 727
    edited August 2017

    For me Herceptin was like a walk in the park. I think it was the easiest part of my treatments.


  • ElaineTherese
    ElaineTherese Member Posts: 3,328
    edited August 2017

    Me, too, BBwithBC45. But, not everyone is so lucky.

  • kae_md99
    kae_md99 Member Posts: 621
    edited August 2017

    Tresjoli2,

    yes, i will let you know about zoladex. it is now submitted to my insurance.hopefully they will authorize it at once.

  • Jumpship
    Jumpship Member Posts: 305
    edited March 2019

    I had flu like symptoms on Herceptin too. Benadryl in high doses gives me restless legs. I thought I was odd but my last nurse had seen that side effect befire

  • Taco1946
    Taco1946 Member Posts: 645
    edited August 2017

    I had a month of just herceptin before I started AI's. I too found herceptin easier than either the taxol or the AI's although SE are getting better. I switched to Teva after my first 90 days and have done better. Thanks to all who suggested it.

  • Cowgirl13
    Cowgirl13 Member Posts: 1,936
    edited August 2017

    I wish that when I had had herceptin that I would have had them run a 90 minute drip instead of 60 minutes. I think it would have made a big difference although I didn't have big side effects. My onc would have been fine with the 90 minutes.

    Special K, can you go over the extended drips info again. I think it is very important information.

  • TYE89
    TYE89 Member Posts: 16
    edited August 2017

    Hello ladies - I am so confused!!

    I just got a new twist in my final path report. I am triple positive ER 90% PR 90% Her2 + (2.0 ratio, the lowest value for positive) AND GRADE 1. Has anyone known of someone that is Her2 positive & Grade 1? And I also had a 1mm micromet in 1/5 sentinel nodes. The pathology of my 1.6cm IDC tumor doesn't fit together as it should, scientifically. I know each of us is different, but I have not seen anyone's who is Her2+ & Grade 1...they don't typically go together. My SO & MO are surprised!! And I am at MDA where they supposedly see everything.

    HAs anyone see any other ladies with this combination?

    I am starting 6 rounds of TCHP + Herceprin for rest of the yearon Aug 21.







  • T-Sue
    T-Sue Member Posts: 217
    edited August 2017

    Tye, I am Triple positive and grade 1. I had never heard that it was unusual.

  • TYE89
    TYE89 Member Posts: 16
    edited August 2017

    HapB - of course. I think I may have answered this earlier & you might have missed it

    My surgeon made sure I understood that a dbl MX would not give me a huge benefit over lumpectomy, but allowed me to make the decision. Her opinion is that the patient must be comfortable with the decision & the goal is to remove the unending worry/fear for the patient.

    My decision was influenced by several things. We lost a neighbor to aggressive breast cancer a few years ago & I always said if I got it, they were gone; my age, I did not want to have that worry of recurrence or getting it in the other breast (I know there is still a chance); and although I am not, our family is primarily in the medical profession & in addition to their opinion, everyone we know that has had BC has gone the DMX due to the same desire to take away as much risk as possible. It truly is a personal decision.

    All this being said, many have lumpectomy & stats show there is not a significant increase in benefit of DMX vs the huge surgery that it is. I could not have recovered from this surgery alone. At 3 wks out, I finally felt pretty good.

    I think you would have needed chemo regardless of your surgery due to your triple positive status. If you live alone & have other medical issues, I'm sure your doctors looked at the big picture if they are insisting you have a lumpectomy.

    Hugs & Prayers

  • TYE89
    TYE89 Member Posts: 16
    edited August 2017

    T-Sue - yes, most Her2+ cancers are Grade 2 or 3. My SO & MO said it is unusual. So much so that they have done the Her2 FISH test 3 times! Twice on my biopsy & once on surgical specimen. Second biopsy FISH test came back negative & the other 2 were barely positive.

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited August 2017

    Generally, Her2+ tumors are aggressive and higher grade, but remember that grade is a snapshot - they are looking at a small piece of a non-homogenous tumor. The area sampled may have been grade 1, but another part of the tumor may have a higher grade.

    cowgirl - here it is - Herceptin dosing can be infused from a minimum of 30 minutes to a maximum of 90 minutes - this is according to the instructions from Genentech, the manufacturer.. Some have their loading dose of Herceptin infused over 90 minutes, then subsequent infusions faster because the oncology staff will say if it was tolerated well it can be done faster. I had all 6 Herceptin infusions that were accompanied by Taxotere and Carboplatin at 90 minute times, but my first H alone was given in 30 minutes. I had no bone/joint aching with the first 6, but that first 30 min infusion left me unable to maintain any sleeping position for more than 15 minutes due to leg/hip/back pain. It lasted about a week, and I was miserable. I asked to go back to 90 minute infusion times and had no further issues with the remaining 10 infusions. If you are experiencing more severe SE from Herceptin than the norm, I would advise that you ask to have your infusion slowed to 90 minutes. Receiving your Herceptin infusion later in the day may be helpful if you get push-back from staff when asking for a longer infusion time, as infusion rooms get a little quieter later in the day and you may be able to occupy a chair for a longer period.

  • moodyblues
    moodyblues Member Posts: 470
    edited August 2017

    Trying to figure out why my doctor didn't give me Perjeta.  I thought with my cancer being 2 cm and HER2, that they would have added the Perjeta to my regimen automatically when I started with my chemo.  I even called pathology dept to be sure that I had the size of my cancer correct...and I did.  I notice that many women on here are getting it.  Any ideas ladies?

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited August 2017

    moody - At the time of your diagnosis Perjeta was only FDA approved for neoadjuvent administration. Because you had surgery first, your MO may have felt Perjeta would not have been covered by insurance.

  • kae_md99
    kae_md99 Member Posts: 621
    edited August 2017

    I agree with SpecialK.when i had my biopsy,i was grade 2 but when i had my mastectomy, the residual cells that were left ( i did not have pcr but only residual cells were left in a 2 cm tumor bed) were grade 1 and well differentiated.....

  • deni1661
    deni1661 Member Posts: 463
    edited August 2017
    I had the same results as Kae, originally grade 2 but the downgraded to 1 after mastectomy due to only a few remaining single cells
  • kae_md99
    kae_md99 Member Posts: 621
    edited August 2017

    due to my result and deni's result,i wonder if well differentiated,low grade cells are not really that susceptble to chemo or targeted therapy? i always hear people say that the more aggressive cancer is the more chemo will destroy it? correct me if i am wrong..

  • kae_md99
    kae_md99 Member Posts: 621
    edited August 2017

    is perjeta now approved as an adjuvantvtreatment?anybody know

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited August 2017

    I believe that as a result of the APHINITY trial ASCO has recommended, June 2017, adjuvant use of Perjeta in certain high risk circumstances, non stage 1 early stagers, node positives, and Her2+ hormonal receptor negatives. APHINITY was a Phase III trial, but to my knowledge adjuvant use of Perjeta has not been fast-tracked by the FDA. Here is some info:

    http://www.ascopost.com/News/55710

  • deni1661
    deni1661 Member Posts: 463
    edited August 2017
    I'm still getting Perjeta with Herceptin post surgery but I'm in a clinical trial so that is probably the exception.
  • deni1661
    deni1661 Member Posts: 463
    edited August 2017
    I have not had a cold or flu since I started treatment almost a year ago (knock on wood). I believe this is due to the nutrition and lifestyle changes I made after diagnosis. Prior to all this I would get a cold every couple of months!

    I don't have flu or cold like symptoms after the HP infusions just extreme fatigue for about a week. I do still have the tailbone pain that they can't figure out; my last infusion is Aug 30th so time will tell if the Herceptin is causing the pain or the AI.
  • BBwithBC45
    BBwithBC45 Member Posts: 727
    edited August 2017

    HapB, I'm not quite sure if you meant your comment directed to me to be sarcastic in tone or not.

    I do sympathize with all who experience bad side effects of BC treatments, as I experienced plenty of them from my chemo, surgeries, etc. At the same time, I believe it is important that we show both sides of the story, so those just starting their treatments know that it is not all doom and gloom, that not everybody experiences horrible side effects from every single one of their treatments.

    BB




  • Lita19901
    Lita19901 Member Posts: 211
    edited August 2017

    In playing around with the Predict thingy I've noticed that age at time of diagnosis plays a part in survival stats for both 5 and 10 year outcomes, but more for 10 year stats. Does this reflect a difference in lessened treatment effectiveness as one gets older or is it reflective of the normal rise in the death rate due to aging?


  • Suburbs
    Suburbs Member Posts: 429
    edited August 2017

    Kae, I just asked my MO and took notes.

    Nerlynx is supposed to be available in September. It may be considered in 6 to 8 months time as an added therapy in my case. It's not off the table and it's not a given. To be determined.

    On the Perjeta, so far there has been no study that demonstrates that a year of perjeta is better than the 6 cycles of perjeta given with TCHP neoadjuvant treatment in early breast cancer with tumour greater than 2 cm and/or node positive status. Apparently, larger tumours, node status and other factors (I.e. response to date) will impact who gets what or who should get what. Cost will be a factor though once a treatment is FDA approved, it should not be. More to be determined.


  • deni1661
    deni1661 Member Posts: 463
    edited August 2017

    Hapb - no published results yet for my clinical trial. Interesting the Perjeta only improves outcome by 1%. Why use it then, unless it depends on individual prognosis. I've been getting it for almost a year!

    I was initially on Arimidix but the body aches were so severe that I could barely move. SEs must differ from person to person because I work with a woman who has been on Arimidix for 5 years and she said she doesn't have any side effects! My MO switched me to Letrazole (Fermara) about 3 months ago. I don't have any body aches with this one but do still have fatigue, dry skin, brittle hair that is breaking off significantly, runny nose, and occasional dizziness. The Letrazole seems to working better for me.

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