Does axillary clearance always result in Lymphodema?

rubyredslippers
rubyredslippers Member Posts: 228
edited August 2017 in Lymphedema

Hello, I've recently had my second partial mastectomy and a lymph node had some cancer in it, so the surgeon now tells me he wants me to have another surgery to remove all of the lymph nodesin my right armpit. He says it's not necessarily going to mean I will have ongoing complications?

Does anyone have this done and not have any issues?

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  • Binney4
    Binney4 Member Posts: 8,609
    edited July 2017

    Ruby, MOST women who have node clearance surgery do not develop lymphedema. That said, though, it's impossible to know beforehand who will and who won't. There is a risk of arm lymphedema with any breast/chest surgery, and the risk does rise with node removal, but it is still true that a majority of women will not develop lymphedema.

    It's always wise to see a well-qualified lymphedema therapist before surgery for baseline arm measurements, personalized tips on lymphedema risk reduction, and possibly fitting for a compression sleeve and glove to use prophylactically for travel and exercise. Your surgeon, medical oncologist or PCP can write you a referral. Here's how to find a well-trained therapist near you:

    http://www.stepup-speakout.org/Finding_a_Qualified...

    I'm hoping you'll never have to join our Swell Sisterhood, but knowing your risk and getting good care promptly if you run into trouble can make this much easier to manage. Wishing you smooth sailing and quick healing as you move forward!

    Gentle hugs,
    Binney


  • rubyredslippers
    rubyredslippers Member Posts: 228
    edited July 2017

    thank you binney4!


    I'm very disheartened. I am feeling that the cancer recurring from 9 years ago, and having alrwady spread to a lymph node that was "right next to it" means that it's just a matter of time before it shows up somewhere else? I'm so scared. I'm scared of developing the problems I've read a bit about in thi Lymphodema section. I can't deal with this.

  • Binney4
    Binney4 Member Posts: 8,609
    edited July 2017

    Ruby, you really have had a lot thrown at you, and it must all be such a shock and so scary. And of course you can't deal with it all, at least not all at once. You've faced off with this before, and you CAN do this--you've already proven that. It sounds like you have a good team already in place, ready to be aggressive about conquering the beast again. But dealing with the cancer treatment ahead is MORE than enough to cope with right now. Please don't take on the fear of lymphedema as well, because that really is something you may very well never have to worry about. (And if you ever do, believe me, we're here for you, and we've got your back. This all gets better, honest!)

    You can do this, and we're rooting for you all the way. Please keep us posted as you move forward. And do tell us, please, how we can help. There is still every reason to look for those amazing moments of joy in every single day.

    Hugs, and prayers,
    Binney

  • sunnyjay
    sunnyjay Member Posts: 238
    edited July 2017

    rubyredslippers: I had a similar thing happen. I had unilateral mastectomy on my left side and sentinel node biopsy in May. One node was positive, so I was back in surgery 48 hours later to remove more lymph nodes. The good news is that there were no additional positive lymph nodes. The bad news is that I am at a risk for lymphedema. I am left-handed so I was always paranoid about using my arm to do anything. My PT told me that I should use my arm as normal, except for carrying anything more than 10 lbs., and avoiding ways to get infection in that arm (no blood pressure cuffs, no needle sticks for blood draws, etc). So far, I haven't had any lymphedema symptoms, and the tightness and limited arm movement from surgery has been relieved with PT and daily exercises. I know that lymphedema can happen anytime now, or months or years later, but my PT reassured me that if I suspect lymphedema to contact her anytime for help in minimizing the symptoms. Hopefully you can find a similar PT that will work with you.

  • ChiSandy
    ChiSandy Member Posts: 12,133
    edited August 2017

    Living in fear robs from the pleasures of living. Using common sense preventive measures (weight lifting restrictions, avoiding needle sticks, BP cuffs, sunburns, insect bites and cuts & scrapes—and treating them promptly) is all you need to do for now. (The one thing I should have done differently was lose weight as soon as I was diagnosed with bc and continue to lose until starting my AI, because adipose tissue is more susceptible to have lymph fluid pool & stagnate).

  • rubyredslippers
    rubyredslippers Member Posts: 228
    edited August 2017

    thanks all. I can't have surgery until sept 5, as otherwise I'll have no one to look after me when I leave hospital. Is that a bad thing?

  • sunnyjay
    sunnyjay Member Posts: 238
    edited August 2017

    Rubyredslippers: I had my surgery 2 months after diagnosis. Since they are removing lymph nodes this will be major surgery and you won't be able to drive yourself because if the narcotics they give you for pain. It was recommended not to drive for 2 weeks or until you get range of motion back. I don't think it's a bad thing if you don't have anyone to care for you, it just makes life easier. You will most likely have drains to deal with also, and will give you limited range of motion. So it's good to have someone around to help for at least 2 weeks.

  • ChiSandy
    ChiSandy Member Posts: 12,133
    edited August 2017

    Ruby, the hospital will likely have nurses visit you at home daily for the first week or so after surgery. And if you are on Medicaid or Medicare (or your insurance provides for it), you might even be eligible for a temporary aide till you get your ROM back.

  • ShetlandPony
    ShetlandPony Member Posts: 4,924
    edited August 2017

    Ruby, did your doctors explain exactly what "a lymph node had some cancer in it" means in your case (e.g. isolated tumor cells, a micrometastasis, or a macrometastasis)? Have they explained to your satisfaction why complete ALND is required in your case? Depending on exactly what is found in the sentinel node(s), and other aspects of the pathology report, complete axillary node dissection is not always recommended. In certain situations, radiotherapy following the lumpectomy may be considered sufficient.

    For example, see

    http://www.ascopost.com/issues/april-15-2012/sideb...



  • Jennie93
    Jennie93 Member Posts: 1,018
    edited August 2017

    My nodes surprised everyone - three positive out of 6. (Later some micro cells were found in the 4th.) Had not shown up on any imaging beforehand. However the BS, MO, RO & tumor board all agreed that, while in the past they would have gone back in and taken out more nodes, now they don't recommend that. They just radiate the heck outta them. I had to get rads anyway. It wasn't bad. Maybe you should get a second opinion?



  • hugz4u
    hugz4u Member Posts: 2,781
    edited August 2017

    Ruby we are in your back pocket don't give up. Two step backwards for now but one step forward and you'll get there eventually. We're flagging you ahead girl

  • ElaineTherese
    ElaineTherese Member Posts: 3,328
    edited August 2017

    Ruby,

    I had all 20 of my Levels 1 and 2 lymph nodes removed from my right arm pit and I haven't developed lymphadema. I agree with Jennie that you might look into radiation as an alternative if you don't want to have more nodes removed.

    sunny,

    I drove to work the day after my surgery. No one ever told me not to drive for two weeks!


  • Jojobird
    Jojobird Member Posts: 203
    edited August 2017

    I had 21 nodes removed and have not developed lymphedema. I have been very careful and continue to exercise, do stretches, keep my weight down.

  • cmlorino1
    cmlorino1 Member Posts: 3
    edited August 2017

    I had 14 positive nodes out of 32 removed from my left armpit, with no lymphedema to speak of. I travel by air a lot and wear my sleeve and gauntlet with no problems thus far after 13 years. It is possible

  • hugz4u
    hugz4u Member Posts: 2,781
    edited August 2017

    Cmlor it's a crapshoot. Some get it day one others 30 yrs later some never!

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